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I'll give you one positive for BREXIT...Manufacturers of red tape will see their sales sky rocket.
Katoe, there are two big reasons to leave in my post, I am trying to satisfy your questioning of reasons to leave. The answer to your list of goodies is at what cost? and the Question as life develops and countries, would the population have gained those improvements to general life without being a member of the EU? and would the EU have gained so many advantages without our considerable financial input over the years?
Nice twist H, don't hold your breath buddy it will do well to go past the end of this month. There is no way we want to be in when the begging bowl starts to be passed around. If Germany don't want to come out to play it will be fun and games. Of course if we do not have to make any contributions, make our own laws, and we can form free trade agreements with other countries like the USA and it was beneficial not to disrupt trade for the EU to to carry on trading with the UK I could then see a reason to extend a couple of years, just in the name of friendship and so there is no hard feelings.
Big H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system.
Quote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe.
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe.We can have more money laundering, less nuclear safety and lower food standards. What's not to like there?
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:38:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver Perhaps you could explain that to someone on the breadline who will be significantly worse off if we fail to agree a trade deal with the EU - which is looking ever more likely by the day!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 10:37:54 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:38:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver Perhaps you could explain that to someone on the breadline who will be significantly worse off if we fail to agree a trade deal with the EU - which is looking ever more likely by the day!I vote for what is best for me, not others as we all do. I am only responsible for my family, not yours or others
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 10:44:22 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 10:37:54 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:38:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver Perhaps you could explain that to someone on the breadline who will be significantly worse off if we fail to agree a trade deal with the EU - which is looking ever more likely by the day!I vote for what is best for me, not others as we all do. I am only responsible for my family, not yours or others And that is a classic example of everything that is wrong in this country. The ME ME ME attitude and stuff everybody else! To say that we all do is beneath contempt and I would have expected better.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 10:37:54 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:38:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver Perhaps you could explain that to someone on the breadline who will be significantly worse off if we fail to agree a trade deal with the EU - which is looking ever more likely by the day!Nope, I dont do 'what if?' Sob stories I vote for what is best for me, not others as we all do. I am only responsible for my family, not yours or others
Quote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 10:44:22 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 10:37:54 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:38:24 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:33:47 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 09:26:27 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 09:23:46 pmQuote from: Ldr on June 07, 2020, 07:04:58 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 07, 2020, 06:58:24 pmQuote from: selby on June 07, 2020, 04:30:48 pmBig H, not getting into a lather at all, Kato asked a sensible question for people to give him reasons why we should be better coming out of the EU, he claims people have ignored his question and have no answers, I am giving my answers. backed by the reasons why, which are even greater reasons to avoid being kidded on to remain entrapped after the end of this year due to the mountain of debt the current situation has and will in the near future overtake the EU's economic system. selby, you've speculated as to what you believe will happen within and to the EU. You may well be right, but then again, you may well be wrong. That's the problem with speculation and best guesses - as you'll know from your own financial speculations. The question I asked, having shown all the things we gained through membership, was for someone to show me just one way that the people of the UK WILL, (and that word is important because it does not rely on speculation), so I'll repeat, 'WILL' be better off outside of the EU.We wont be part of a federal europe. And how WILL that make people in the UK better off? I get that there are parts of the EU that some people don't like, but making ourselves worse off by walking away from something that has the significant benefits I've listed is somewhat akin to cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.In your opinion, some are happy to sell their souls for a piece of silver. I am not So, you'd rather the country be poorer than be part of something beneficial? And for what? Sovereignty? That ship sailed many moons ago.Sovereignty no, not the best way to put it. It felt wrong to me to be heading towards a federal state. If post 1992 eu hadn't happened and we had stayed EEC then my vote would have been remain. Like I say, some things to me are more important than silver Perhaps you could explain that to someone on the breadline who will be significantly worse off if we fail to agree a trade deal with the EU - which is looking ever more likely by the day!Nope, I dont do 'what if?' Sob stories I vote for what is best for me, not others as we all do. I am only responsible for my family, not yours or others We don't all vote based what's purely best for ourselves.