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If only the Tories weren't voted in in 2010 then we wouldn't be having Brexit, even if we still had a referendum. 2010 started austerity which then caused people losing jobs, becoming poorer, etc which allowed Brexiteers to blame on foreigners and the EU, "everything would be different if we were out". People bought into that and here we are. At a time, 2010, when as a country we should have been getting the economy going again we stopped spending which as a result has potentially caused long term hardship.
This is taking back control.... https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021/business-travel-extra-requirements Here's a list of the countries within the EU, (including countries who have trade deals with them), who will require us as a 3rd country to comply with their specific rules.... https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/providing-services-to-eea-and-efta-countries-after-eu-exit Let's just have a look at just one of the main ones.... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/france-providing-services-after-eu-exit You really do have to love our 'taking back control', well, unless you've worked it out that it was a lie in the first place!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 22, 2020, 11:00:47 amThis is taking back control.... https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021/business-travel-extra-requirements Here's a list of the countries within the EU, (including countries who have trade deals with them), who will require us as a 3rd country to comply with their specific rules.... https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/providing-services-to-eea-and-efta-countries-after-eu-exit Let's just have a look at just one of the main ones.... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/france-providing-services-after-eu-exit You really do have to love our 'taking back control', well, unless you've worked it out that it was a lie in the first place!Us 'taking back control' also means the EU doing the same when we interact with them after Brexit. Some people don't seem to grasp this.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-stanley-johnson-boris-french-passport-rachel-book-rakes-progress-a9416636.htmlIs this satire?
Idler, your theory has just backed up the fact that in 2016 when the referendum took place, in spite of a government backing staying in, outspending by a massive margin the leave movement, and the EU leaders making statements and threats of punishment. the UK electorate voted to leave. Something that for four years some cannot come to terms with, and in spite of all the rhetoric, meetings in secret with EU leaders by all the opposition parties and luminaries such as Starmer, a fifth column of entertainment stars and the BBC, guess what? they lost two elections on the same ticket, the second by a landslide. I am expecting bodies in the rivers if we happen to get a free trade deal and things go well.
But in order for there to be a FTA we will have to follow EU rules and the Northern Ireland protocol with border checks to the mainland.Is that really Brexit?
Glyn, you get this We don't want to remain in the single market, with the restrictions it would place on us, can you understand that? Wilts stop getting your knickers in a twist, the opposition parties formed what was really a fifth column to undermine the leave campaign, they were and are disgusting in their attitude to the UK electorate. You and they still don't realise how counter productive the whole campaign by the leave big wigs was, and how belittling your opposition entrenched the leave voters, you failed to pick up on the fact that the bullying from all sides was just getting the cold shoulder. The calling people thick, uneducated, they don't know what they are doing, gammon, just got the B******s to that treatment and you still don't get it.
Glyn, you get this We don't want to remain in the single market, with the restrictions it would place on us, can you understand that?
I do keep asking hound but no one seems prepared to say exactly what it is we should be expecting to see for this to be a 'good' agreement.Lower nuclear safety standards, lower food standards, greater capacity for money laundering - thats what the govenment appear to want. Is this what the people who voted Leave want?What would be a good deal? What would be a bad one?
Quote from: wilts rover on June 22, 2020, 10:24:48 pmI do keep asking hound but no one seems prepared to say exactly what it is we should be expecting to see for this to be a 'good' agreement.Lower nuclear safety standards, lower food standards, greater capacity for money laundering - thats what the govenment appear to want. Is this what the people who voted Leave want?What would be a good deal? What would be a bad one?I don’t think anyone actually knows what a good or a bad deal is wilts.To be fair, we could end up in a better position, but then again we might not.Only the passing of time will answer that, probably a long time.In about ten years someone will post in here and tell us that they knew all along what the outcome was going to be (with the benefit of hindsight of course).
Quote from: wilts rover on June 22, 2020, 10:24:48 pmI do keep asking hound but no one seems prepared to say exactly what it is we should be expecting to see for this to be a 'good' agreement.Lower nuclear safety standards, lower food standards, greater capacity for money laundering - thats what the govenment appear to want. Is this what the people who voted Leave want?What would be a good deal? What would be a bad one?That's crap hound a good deal is a deal better than what is available today one that serves people's needs better, how the hell do you think with less bargaining power that a better deal could be obtained with anyone, only with the passing of time????So if lower food standards, worse conditions for workers, curtailed human rights are used to gain worse trade deals how long do you think it will take the populace to notice?I don’t think anyone actually knows what a good or a bad deal is wilts.To be fair, we could end up in a better position, but then again we might not.Only the passing of time will answer that, probably a long time.In about ten years someone will post in here and tell us that they knew all along what the outcome was going to be (with the benefit of hindsight of course).
Two of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people.