No Brexit Extension

[Dagenham Rover]

  People on nights in January and February checking paperwork for lorries at the border in the cold.

You mean all the bureaucracy that I told everyone was going to happen? Only to get told I didn't know what I was talking about, or that it was 'Project Fear'. And Brexiters still voted for? Your mess, you clean it up.

I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. I just said there was no way you could be absolutely 100% sure,   your opinion based on your experience yes but you could not be  absolutely sure     

I wasn't talking about you. I wasn't the other day as it happens.

Mind you, selby acknowledges what's going to happen.

Ok Glyn its just we had some pretty similar conversations on here   I do sometimes get a bit shirty on here nowadays Ive had one hell of a lot gone off these last two or three years

[wilts rover]

They need us more than we need them.


London is assessing whether the advantages of the European bloc’s bargaining power to strike deals with international drugs companies outweigh the broader political desire to sever ties with Brussels, UK officials said.

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1279061518332690435

[SydneyRover]

  Glyn, that generation did it, you lot have got to prove you can do it as well.
  Idler there are some on here that are going to have to get on board then if they want to flourish, if they put as much effort into getting on with things as they do moaning about everything that doesn't suit the way they want things to be they might achieve their goal of a flourishing country. I won't hold my breath though.

All those young people you appear to dispise selby, is that who you mean?

[Not Now Kato]

Squeaky bum time from the ERG....
 
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/cummings-is-starting-to-make-the-erg-nervous/?fbclid=IwAR2SEmUUyGTpY0Hq9sVrAQXmfSVWbpqIJCfHNipsRqlnefCiIAvIkw4Rces
 
And they continue to peddle lies too - a free trade deal with the EU will lead to an increase in trade between us. Really?  An increase?  What will we be able to trade that we couldn't have done as members?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Squeaky bum time from the ERG....
 
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/cummings-is-starting-to-make-the-erg-nervous/?fbclid=IwAR2SEmUUyGTpY0Hq9sVrAQXmfSVWbpqIJCfHNipsRqlnefCiIAvIkw4Rces
 
And they continue to peddle lies too - a free trade deal with the EU will lead to an increase in trade between us. Really?  An increase?  What will we be able to trade that we couldn't have done as members?

Of course it won't increase trade. Any agreement after leaving the Single Market - no matter how good it is - will necessitate the cost of Customs Declarations and Customs Clearance both for importers and exporters on both sides of the Customs Border. And then if we do get an FTA, any UK exporter will have the extremely complex bureaucracy of having to hold the evidence of proof of origin of any goods they want their EU customer to buy at a reduced or zero rate of Customs Duty.

So that's extra bureaucracy, extra cost and extra delays for every movement of goods from UK to EU or vice versa. And that is whatever trade deal is worked out. No Deal is even worse. Just the ticket for increasing trade, eh?

[Donnywolf]

We took back control though lol

[SydneyRover]

I know it said that the letter wasn't a joke but ffs it sounds like someone is havin' a larf 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Christ, what an embarrassment that letter is. Apart from the execrable standard of English, which is bad enough, the lack of understanding of the logic of the negotiating position of the EU is so bad that my 13 year old facepalmed at it.

He said, "Dad. Is that MP saying that we want everything on our terms and we don't give anything in return? But that's stupid!"

[Ldr]

#dhotya

[Not Now Kato]

Looks like there's now serious problems with the border situation in the Irish Sea....
 
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/work-on-irish-sea-border-planning-halted-amid-calls-for-clarity/?fbclid=IwAR0u566AI-pDSDhjmk4n5rchHW184bG6mEpXSHvZl9lO_ELkTtDrCsVW9RE
 
 
When Leave Alliance are unhappy with the situation the you know something is seriously wrong....
 
https://twitter.com/LeaveHQ/status/1279871372265734147
 
Tweet number 8 says it all really....
 

8. One could very easily conclude that the Tories simply haven't the first idea what they're doing, and haven't even begun to understand the dynamics or the complexity of trade. I've been watching closely for any sign of intelligent life but the trade minister is Liz Truss.

How long to the cliff edge?

[tyke1962]

I honestly don't know why people are getting hot under the collar , this tweet , that tweet , who says this who says that .

The UK will capitulate on the matter .

There was always going to an economic hit by leaving the EU but the pandemic has changed everything now .

The only thing Johnson and Cummings are working on is how to spin the capitulation and keep themselves in a job .

Let's look at the evidence .

How many u turns has Johnson done so far ? , even a young PL footballer is capable of getting him to back down never mind Barnier , covid - 19 and economic Armageddon .

Johnson believes in nowt other than to catch the fairest wind that enables his career to go north .

He's not even a true brexiter , he couldn't hang his cap on the same peg as George Galloway or Dennis Skinner on the subject of the EU to save his sorry life with any credibility .

Plastic brexiter and you can place the ERG in that box too .

Ask Rees Mogg if he had the choice between leaving the EU but it would cost his Party three successive GE's elections and I know what he'd choose .

Total shadow boxing going on here between the UK and Brussels .

Johnson will capitulate ....... all day long .

[wilts rover]

You are Nigel Farage and I claim my free Kipper...

[wilts rover]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

[wilts rover]

After promising to build a new car plant in the UK as Britain would thrive outside the EU, major Brexit backer (and Britains' richest man until he moved to a tax haven) now says he is looking to build his new 4x4 in France:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/07/jim-ratcliffe-ineos-land-rover-rival-france-wales

[Not Now Kato]

How much more will it take for Brexiters to finally admit they've been mugged?

[BillyStubbsTears]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

[Glyn_Wigley]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

[BillyStubbsTears]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

Thought so.

Hindsight, eh?

[wilts rover]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

Thought so.

Hindsight, eh?

I blame it on the care home workers. After all the clapping we did an' all...

[Glyn_Wigley]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

Thought so.

Hindsight, eh?

It's only hindsight for those who have hitherto had their eyes firmly shut to reality.

[BillyStubbsTears]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

Thought so.

Hindsight, eh?

It's only hindsight for those who have hitherto had their eyes firmly shut to reality.

Glyn

I think the line is that you can't predict anything about the future because it's too hard.

And then you can't criticise anything about the past because anybody can get it right with hindsight. And anyway, what has happened has happened so no point worrying about it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

UK government has submitted applications to the EU to create Border Control Posts at Northern Ireland's ports.

Taking back control if the EU will let us!

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1280448898797056000

Are those the control posts that Johnson consistently denied we'd need, during the General Election campaign, despite anyone with more than a passing acquaintance with truth and logic telling him we would?

Them's the ones.

Thought so.

Hindsight, eh?

It's only hindsight for those who have hitherto had their eyes firmly shut to reality.

Glyn

I think the line is that you can't predict anything about the future because it's too hard.

And then you can't criticise anything about the past because anybody can get it right with hindsight. And anyway, what has happened has happened so no point worrying about it.

Sorry Billy, I think I lost my blinkers down the back of the settee.

[Donnywolf]

How much more will it take for Brexiters to finally admit they've been mugged?

I suspect they wont CARE. We're OUT

All of us can sit back now while we see if "taking back control" works for us or not

If it does, great, they were right all along - if it doesnt then there is now "Covid-19* raging away without which it might have all gone so much better - who knows a lot will be thinking

It is so polarised as are so many issues theses days so I will stick to thinking my Vote for Remain was still the right way to vote and I have seen nothing since that encourages me to think it might be anywhere near "great"

[drfchound]

How much more will it take for Brexiters to finally admit they've been mugged?

I suspect they wont CARE. We're OUT

All of us can sit back now while we see if "taking back control" works for us or not

If it does, great, they were right all along - if it doesnt then there is now "Covid-19* raging away without which it might have all gone so much better - who knows a lot will be thinking

It is so polarised as are so many issues theses days so I will stick to thinking my Vote for Remain was still the right way to vote and I have seen nothing since that encourages me to think it might be anywhere near "great"

A very reasoned post wolfie.
More or less my thoughts on it too.

[Not Now Kato]

I thought one of the major tenets of Brexit was to stop us being run by unelected bureaucrats!
 
"London: Boris Johnson's controversial adviser Dominic Cummings will tour some of Britain's most highly classified national security sites as part of his plan to radically shake up the military amid a major turf war in Westminster over how Britain will defend itself in the future.
According to internal correspondence obtained by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age the Prime Minister's top adviser requested visits to five classified sites including facilities that specialise in defence intelligence."
 
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/cummings-to-drop-in-on-britain-s-most-secret-defence-installations-20200708-p559za.html

 
I’m assuming he’s got clearance from the Russians to do this.

[SydneyRover]

I think the russians will be having a bit of a laugh reading about this knowing they have johnson in their pocket already.

[selby]

  Well the Irish are tipping an agreement in late October. their hope against hope.

[Not Now Kato]

  Well the Irish are tipping an agreement in late October. their hope against hope.

Link?  Or are you making things up again?

[wilts rover]

  Well the Irish are tipping an agreement in late October. their hope against hope.

Merkel is saying there has been slim progress and telling the EU to prepare for No Deal.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-merkel/germanys-merkel-says-eu-must-prepare-for-no-deal-brexit-idUKKBN2491WX

Remember her. She is the person you said would be pushing for a deal last time:

Well it looks like it is kicking off over  there in La La land, Varadkar coming into trouble with the greens who are themselves coming in for trouble with the farmers who need a Brexit agreement to protect their largest market.
  Merkel is considering sidelining Barnier to push for an agreement, and no fiscal agreement with the frugal four and the German courts dead set on not continually bailing out their med friends.

[wilts rover]

How much more will it take for Brexiters to finally admit they've been mugged?

I suspect they wont CARE. We're OUT

All of us can sit back now while we see if "taking back control" works for us or not

If it does, great, they were right all along - if it doesnt then there is now "Covid-19* raging away without which it might have all gone so much better - who knows a lot will be thinking

It is so polarised as are so many issues theses days so I will stick to thinking my Vote for Remain was still the right way to vote and I have seen nothing since that encourages me to think it might be anywhere near "great"

A very reasoned post wolfie.
More or less my thoughts on it too.

I think you are both wrong - a lot of them DO care. They care on how connected we will be to the EU after 31st December 2020.

How can Johnson both satisfy them and meet the needs of the economy and protect jobs?

He's going to let somebody down. Who I don't know. But I am fairly sure they won't be happy.