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I can't understand all the negativity towards track & trace here.Every other country that has done this has seen very positive results from t&t but for some reason we can't?
I just had to google ned?
Thanks I came up with Scottish hooligan?
Quote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 11:00:40 amI can't understand all the negativity towards track & trace here.Every other country that has done this has seen very positive results from t&t but for some reason we can't?The negativity probably fits the rhetoric on here most of the time.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 28, 2020, 11:03:36 amI just had to google ned?Non Executive DirectorIn other words not an employee.
I have no idea.As SM has said, T&T works for other countries.
Quote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 11:21:45 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 28, 2020, 11:03:36 amI just had to google ned?Non Executive DirectorIn other words not an employee.But a shareholder?As for negativity about T&T, if it had been in place from the start of(or ideally before) lockdown and was able to do the job properly then I'm sure people would have embraced it as a useful tool in the fight against the virus.As it is, it's looking like a cobbled-together mess being started so late as to be almost an irrelevance, and only being done at all to cover certain people's arses.
I do not have a smart phone. It's another step towards big brother. So what happens if you are told to isolate for two weeks and can't work getting no wages and then on your return to work are told to isolate again because of someone else. No one will take any notice of this.
Quote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 11:00:40 amI can't understand all the negativity towards track & trace here.Every other country that has done this has seen very positive results from t&t but for some reason we can't?I don’t think anybody would deny it’s a difficult system to introduce or that it’s a necessary concept. I feel any negativity stems from the fact that the PM stood there last week and said that by June 1st we’d have a world beating system in place. It sets expectation. Now just think about what the basics of an effective and fully functioning, never mind world beating, system would require:- A way of identifying reliable contact information. - A strong and credible message of what you must do to isolate and contain the virus.- Robust enforcement action against non compliance. The first part is very challenging, nonetheless essential for an effective or world beating system and it’s not like we haven’t had time to prepare. The second part is utterly f**king simple but has been made absolutely f**king feeble and bordering on impotent by the prioritisation of protecting one man from incrimination over and above clear public health messaging. The third part has now been totally discredited. Tell me again why you can’t understand negativity. We need this system to work and it’s blatantly not in a position to be effective, yet.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 28, 2020, 12:12:08 pmI do not have a smart phone. It's another step towards big brother. So what happens if you are told to isolate for two weeks and can't work getting no wages and then on your return to work are told to isolate again because of someone else. No one will take any notice of this.... and then there will be a second wave the experts say and millions more wont be able to work again - and they will be the lucky "non dead" ones
I wasn't guessing, I was asking. I'm pretty sure Private Eye said she's a shareholder but I'm not sure which issue it was in.And T&T shouldn't have been withheld or rushed in. it should have been in place at the same time other countries managed to have it up and running.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 28, 2020, 02:45:35 pmI wasn't guessing, I was asking. I'm pretty sure Private Eye said she's a shareholder but I'm not sure which issue it was in.And T&T shouldn't have been withheld or rushed in. it should have been in place at the same time other countries managed to have it up and running.But being a shareholder normally means someone is investing in the company, not taking out 'loads of dosh' as you put it. I have no idea if she has invested in the company, but would it be such a crime if she had? Without some proof it seems that there's a rush to be unduly critical before even contemplating checking basic details.
Quote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 02:56:43 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 28, 2020, 02:45:35 pmI wasn't guessing, I was asking. I'm pretty sure Private Eye said she's a shareholder but I'm not sure which issue it was in.And T&T shouldn't have been withheld or rushed in. it should have been in place at the same time other countries managed to have it up and running.But being a shareholder normally means someone is investing in the company, not taking out 'loads of dosh' as you put it. I have no idea if she has invested in the company, but would it be such a crime if she had? Without some proof it seems that there's a rush to be unduly critical before even contemplating checking basic details.She'd be benefitting from the profits the company will make as a result. Do you not see that as a direct conflict of interest - especially when as far as I know there's been no public tender? And when a working version could I'm sure have been bought off-the-peg from whoever created those used by other countries.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 28, 2020, 02:59:07 pmQuote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 02:56:43 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 28, 2020, 02:45:35 pmI wasn't guessing, I was asking. I'm pretty sure Private Eye said she's a shareholder but I'm not sure which issue it was in.And T&T shouldn't have been withheld or rushed in. it should have been in place at the same time other countries managed to have it up and running.But being a shareholder normally means someone is investing in the company, not taking out 'loads of dosh' as you put it. I have no idea if she has invested in the company, but would it be such a crime if she had? Without some proof it seems that there's a rush to be unduly critical before even contemplating checking basic details.She'd be benefitting from the profits the company will make as a result. Do you not see that as a direct conflict of interest - especially when as far as I know there's been no public tender? And when a working version could I'm sure have been bought off-the-peg from whoever created those used by other countries. According to full facts she's not his sister.... https://fullfact.org/online/not-dominic-cummings-sister/
Quote from: silent majority on May 28, 2020, 11:00:40 amI can't understand all the negativity towards track & trace here.Every other country that has done this has seen very positive results from t&t but for some reason we can't?I’m not against it in principle, just worried about the practicalities..