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Quote from: The Red Baron on April 06, 2019, 08:06:25 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 10:17:43 pmTRBGod knows I've no axe to grind for the SNP but they voted FOR CM2.0I stand corrected. Anyway, shit will get real next week when the French veto our request for another extension. At least it will concentrate minds. No Deal or Revoke.It’s going to be no deal, the PM wanted to compromise without changing anything, not sure how that works? And the French have aleays hated us
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 10:17:43 pmTRBGod knows I've no axe to grind for the SNP but they voted FOR CM2.0I stand corrected. Anyway, shit will get real next week when the French veto our request for another extension. At least it will concentrate minds. No Deal or Revoke.
TRBGod knows I've no axe to grind for the SNP but they voted FOR CM2.0
Quote from: scawsby steve on April 05, 2019, 05:14:11 pmQuote from: idler on April 05, 2019, 03:44:46 pmSteve, if we are poore as a country prescribed drugs will be hit.If you believe the doom and gloom merchants on here Idler, but I don't. Come on mate, you're a similar age to me. When we were kids, we were on rations, but we got by.This country went through 2 World Wars, and still managed to put food on the table. Does anybody honestly think we're all going to starve because of a bunch of w*nkers each side of the Channel?Thing is, we had a united 'British Bulldog' attitude back then. Nowadays, we have a 'Britain Surrendering Together' element among us.If we were all united in BB virtues instead of the BST element we'd have frightened the shit out of the EU.
Quote from: idler on April 05, 2019, 03:44:46 pmSteve, if we are poore as a country prescribed drugs will be hit.If you believe the doom and gloom merchants on here Idler, but I don't. Come on mate, you're a similar age to me. When we were kids, we were on rations, but we got by.This country went through 2 World Wars, and still managed to put food on the table. Does anybody honestly think we're all going to starve because of a bunch of w*nkers each side of the Channel?
Steve, if we are poore as a country prescribed drugs will be hit.
Quote from: bpoolrover on April 06, 2019, 12:13:27 amQuote from: The Red Baron on April 05, 2019, 07:26:35 pmWhether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars. I have a wide group of friends who vote tories and labour and the majority say they will vote if a second referendum but will never vote in a general election again, they might not keep to that but it seems many people feel the same Well, if they get a government after an election they don't vote in that f*cks them over they'll have no right to complain about it will they?
Quote from: The Red Baron on April 05, 2019, 07:26:35 pmWhether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars. I have a wide group of friends who vote tories and labour and the majority say they will vote if a second referendum but will never vote in a general election again, they might not keep to that but it seems many people feel the same
Whether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on April 06, 2019, 01:35:40 amQuote from: bpoolrover on April 06, 2019, 12:13:27 amQuote from: The Red Baron on April 05, 2019, 07:26:35 pmWhether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars. I have a wide group of friends who vote tories and labour and the majority say they will vote if a second referendum but will never vote in a general election again, they might not keep to that but it seems many people feel the same Well, if they get a government after an election they don't vote in that f*cks them over they'll have no right to complain about it will they? what about if they voted for something and won then didn’t get what they voted for?
TRBPlot spoiler. They won't.
Sydney, I didn't reply to your post yesterday because I'm among the majority of people who have a life away from reading the views of third division off-topic football forum's Brexit experts. You talk about the concerted efforts to get people to vote leave but fail to mention the BBC remain bias and the government sent leaflets to every household warning them to vote remain, along with the scaremongering and lies of the Prime minister of the time and his side-kick. That played a large part in getting people to vote remain. It certainly did me.Now then, on the subject of ignoring questions and changing the subject, where's the answer to my question regarding the silly poll you keep updating on? How many people told them to f**k off?Everyone knows that no one knows what the outcome will be, except for those who think they know.
Us? Who's Us? The BST Party?
Siderney, I have answered every question put to me in this thread. The answer to some of them has been "I don't know" because unlike you I don't pretend to know all the answers to everything. If you can't be arsed to find them I can't be arsed to repeat them. The leaflets expressed the thoughts of Cameron and Osborne, who misled us about an instant recession, mass unemployment, pension reductions and punishment budgets. Cameron also lied about leading the country whatever the result of the referendum only to resign the next day. The leaflets cost more than 9 million quid of taxpayers money. More than half of voters who were against its content had to fund it!Now then, on the subject of avoiding answering questions, perhaps you can at last answer mine. 1) who's 'we' and 'us', 2) How many people when asked to vote in the silly poll you keep updating told them to f**k off?
Hi Siderney. I think in a one on to one situation such as this, 'us' and 'we' are terms of weakness used by people seeking the security of back up. I personally don't use the terms. I get my strength from personal opinion. Perhaps that's why I don't always feel the need to show links to strengthen my case. Regarding your question that I've answered over and over again, no, I don't agree with it. It fails to mention for instance the one-sided government propaganda leaflet which proved to be written by liars and forced on everybody.Regarding your 'next step logic', no, I don't agree with it. I believe in democracy and that means democratic votes should stand. Maybe there shouldn't have been a vote in the first place, but there was and It wasn't the result of the vote at fault, it was the way it has been handled by people in power taking undemocratic liberties in attempts to make it fail. The real sad bit is over 6 million of the public agree there should be a revote. Not a vast amount for another one-sided propaganda poll that only records positive response, but it does signify 6+ million misguided people.
"Parroting what someone else has said"? Apologies if you are joking there, but aren't YOU the one that posts link after link after link after link after link in order to parrot what someone else has said?You just clutch at straws. You talk about the illegal foreign money forcing people to vote leave, and before that story came out you raged about some other story you could jump on the bandwagon of. It reminds me of Ricky Gervais's Office episode of the annual quiz competition. If you don't know what I mean, watch it.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 06, 2019, 09:46:40 amTRBPlot spoiler. They won't. You mean the extension? I think the "flextension" that Donald Tusk proposed is the best we can hope for.I hope they won't go for the end of June, which May wants. That just smacks of can-kicking.
I respect those who say yes, all this is worth it to pursue a dream of independence. It is a noble dream. I share it. It is founded on Britain’s historic role as a proud nation that has repeatedly fought for freedom and liberty. I, too, am conscious of our magnificent history. In the 18th century we stood against the Bourbon dream of European hegemony. We liberated Europe from the Napoleonic domination of continental Europe at the start of the 19th century. And faced up to Nazi Germany in 1940.But this is not 1939 or the Battle of Waterloo in 1815. History gets made and remade all the time. The European Union is not a dictatorship, as contemptuous of national identity as Napoleonic France. Nor can it be compared to Nazi Germany – a foolish analogy which has become an ugly cliché and displays an unforgivable failure to understand the true horror of recent European history. Nor is it any longer a socialist project as envisaged by Jacques Delors, let alone an evil empire, as some have characterised it.Of course our looming privations and national isolation would be thoroughly worthwhile if we were confronting such a continental menace. Let others call us ridiculous: we would have a duty to stand alone. But is such language appropriate in a century when all our EU partners are democracies, and none poses the remotest threat of taking up arms against us?
Syderney, your perception of my disposition is about as good as your concept of one-sided propaganda polls that only count positive responses.
In simple terms, I hope what we democratically voted for turns out to be a good decision and the country eventually flourishes.What do you hope for Syderney?