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For the first time since last march I believe, today England recorded 0 deaths from covid.
The news about the Indian varient is getting no better.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/indian-covid-variant-calls-in-question-17-may-reopening-in-uk-say-expertsExperience tells us that if we don't act, then things can get out of hand very rapidly.I'd suggest we should be holding off on opening up any further now. This thing is doubling every week, that kind of exponential growth is dangerous when we are still not clear on how effective the vaccines are against this varient.
Quote from: River Don on May 12, 2021, 02:45:42 pmThe news about the Indian varient is getting no better.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/indian-covid-variant-calls-in-question-17-may-reopening-in-uk-say-expertsExperience tells us that if we don't act, then things can get out of hand very rapidly.I'd suggest we should be holding off on opening up any further now. This thing is doubling every week, that kind of exponential growth is dangerous when we are still not clear on how effective the vaccines are against this varient.problem you have there were many experts saying schools should not re open when they did as numbers would massively rise, it was not the case, how long do you keep things shut for at my local hospital there are no patients in intensive care no deaths for 2 weeks and 2 or 3 people in hospital that are at no danger of death, that’s covering around 200k people, how can you justify keeping things shut?
They all are concerned of course but there will be others all the time, we just can’t stay closed on the off chance
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 12, 2021, 08:26:28 pmThey all are concerned of course but there will be others all the time, we just can’t stay closed on the off chance This one is of particular concern. One Less transmissible variant of it in India is thought to be vacinne resistant.It's no good saying, well we've got to live with it and lett it run wild.If we don’t keep the lid on their spread we may end up with variants that are even better at evading our vaccines.
Worrying stats in Bolton. In the last month cases have doubled with the appearance of the Indian variant. And the pubs are about to open. The upsurge has been directly attributed to overseas travel from India to Bolton. And it’s the in vaccinated that are being affected.
From the FT.Ravi Gupta, professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge university and one of the leading scientists investigating new strains of Sars-Cov-2, told the Financial Times he had identified “worrying” cases of post-vaccination infection involving at least one of the new variants first identified in India — B.1.617.2The B.1.617.1 variant has a particular mutation, known as E484Q, that is often associated with vaccine escape. That mutation is not present in the B.1.617.2 variant, which has spread from India to roughly 40 countries around the world, but it does have a different mutation called T478K, about which little is known.“I’d put my money on the T487K mutation [causing breakthrough infections],” Gupta said.https://www.ft.com/content/5f742765-61ac-4da6-8c6f-49119cd7d46cI think that is enough of a worry to warrant caution in the UK now.
Quote from: River Don on May 12, 2021, 11:10:51 pmFrom the FT.Ravi Gupta, professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge university and one of the leading scientists investigating new strains of Sars-Cov-2, told the Financial Times he had identified “worrying” cases of post-vaccination infection involving at least one of the new variants first identified in India — B.1.617.2The B.1.617.1 variant has a particular mutation, known as E484Q, that is often associated with vaccine escape. That mutation is not present in the B.1.617.2 variant, which has spread from India to roughly 40 countries around the world, but it does have a different mutation called T478K, about which little is known.“I’d put my money on the T487K mutation [causing breakthrough infections],” Gupta said.https://www.ft.com/content/5f742765-61ac-4da6-8c6f-49119cd7d46cI think that is enough of a worry to warrant caution in the UK now.I assume you would know RD, variants arise directly from the virus being rampant as shown in most countries where it has. The key has always been to suppress it, track and trace, quarantine, lockdown. Failure to implement any one or more of these and it's out of control again.