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On 14 September, Patrick Vallance said that his advice was that we should act fast and act hard if cases started rising seriously.Clearly we are no longer following the scientific advice.
If the government had locked down in July when it was last demanded by many to do so, that lockdown would have been considered a success and people would have said that the figures were reduced because of it, and it proved to be the necessary thing to do. It is only in hindsight that we can now say that not going into lockdown then was the right thing to do.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 21, 2021, 07:03:30 pmIf the government had locked down in July when it was last demanded by many to do so, that lockdown would have been considered a success and people would have said that the figures were reduced because of it, and it proved to be the necessary thing to do. It is only in hindsight that we can now say that not going into lockdown then was the right thing to do.You BB cannot even see sense with hindsight.Case numbers dropped only for 11 days in late July. After that, they increased pretty much every day for the next 40 days. We've had 13,000 COVID deaths since late July.In what world would that be considered a successful lockdown?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-parliament-masks-afghanistan-debate-b1904463.html?amp I'm sure he wears it all the time now to look the part!
You were talking about cases.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 21, 2021, 09:42:20 pm You were talking about cases.Alright. You're in one of those moods again.In a properly successful lockdown, cases come down for a long period.In the winter, in the 40 days after that lockdown, new daily cases came down from 59700 to 11600. In the middle of winter.You don't half pick some stupid points to defend when you are spoiling for a fight.
Another right wing, Trump supporting, David Icke, anti mask, granny killing bas**rd.https://twitter.com/drraghibali/status/1451166919915094022?t=hOO3tUQNwtuLJJrtltTbUg&s=19
At this point NED nobody is wanting another lockdown.The hope is that reintroducing simple restrictions like mask wearing will make any lockdown unnecessary. That the numbers getting sick might fall. Javid, I suspect is already calculating that hospital admissions will not grow sufficiently to force a lockdown. In the meantime he doesn't care if thousands become sick, always risking the emergence of new varients. Or God knows how many suffer the debilitating effects of long Covid. Or if a thousand odd die each week. He's just about ensuring business as usual prevails, even if the restrictions proposed will not have any economic impacts. It's just blinkered libertarian ideology. "We've got to live with it." He's out to make sure we do and he doesn't care about the human cost.
Quote from: Nudga on October 21, 2021, 10:54:38 pmAnother right wing, Trump supporting, David Icke, anti mask, granny killing bas**rd.https://twitter.com/drraghibali/status/1451166919915094022?t=hOO3tUQNwtuLJJrtltTbUg&s=19Seen the people who Twitter's algorithms suggest to you after reading that tweet Nudga?GrimesHartley-BrewerMelvilleSikoraRees-MoggGood company you're keeping there.The thread itself is risible. Half truths dressed up as scientific evidence. Just ridiculous the way some folk peddle the line and some folk swallow it.
Another right wing, Trump supporting, David Icke, anti mask, granny killing bas**rd.https://twitter.com/drraghibali/status/1451166919915094022?t=hOO3tUQNwtuLJJrtltTbUg&s=19
Was in A&E last night with my wife, she's had quite a serious injury to her hand.1 hour to get seen by triage nurse.1 hour to be seen by Doctor.45 minutes for xray.Another hour to be seen by a specialist doctor.Confusion over pain relief which she didn't get until the 4th hour.Meanwhile I have to sit there with her watching chav after chav getting seen first for sprained ankles and minor cuts while she's visibly shaking from pain and shock.The first doctor was a joke. All laughing and joking and roughly taking off a temporary gauze that was holding bits of skin and bone together.He totally lost his composure when he saw the extent of the injury.I seriously wanted to belt the Kitson and throw him out into the car park.Hopefully her surgery today goes a bit smoother.I think what I'm trying to get across is all this protect the NHS waffle and they can't even prioritise patients properly and efficiently.Most of those scruffy Kitsons in there should have been sent packing with a paracetamol and a plaster
Quote from: River Don on October 21, 2021, 11:44:02 pmAt this point NED nobody is wanting another lockdown.The hope is that reintroducing simple restrictions like mask wearing will make any lockdown unnecessary. That the numbers getting sick might fall. Javid, I suspect is already calculating that hospital admissions will not grow sufficiently to force a lockdown. In the meantime he doesn't care if thousands become sick, always risking the emergence of new varients. Or God knows how many suffer the debilitating effects of long Covid. Or if a thousand odd die each week. He's just about ensuring business as usual prevails, even if the restrictions proposed will not have any economic impacts. It's just blinkered libertarian ideology. "We've got to live with it." He's out to make sure we do and he doesn't care about the human cost.could you explain why simple mask wearing is not working in Wales? Yet you think it will stop lockdown in England?
At this point NED nobody is wanting another lockdown.The hope is that reintroducing simple restrictions like mask wearing will make any lockdown unnecessary. That the numbers getting sick might fall. Javid, I suspect is already calculating that hospital admissions will not grow sufficiently to force a lockdown. In the meantime he doesn't care if thousands become sick, always risking the emergence of new varients. Or God knows how many suffer the debilitating effects of long Covid. Or if a thousand odd die each week. He's just about ensuring business as usual prevails, even if the restrictions proposed will not have any economic impacts. It's just blinkered libertarian ideology. "We've got to live with it." He's out to make sure we do and he doesn't care about the human cost.
That sounds terrible Nudga, that must be the case for everyone who arrives at A&E. The sooner we privatise the whole NHS the better, let’s make it so those chavs can’t afford to visit a hospital via. Extortionate Health insurance. That way those of us who can afford it can happily be seen 20 mins earlier.When I lived in Donny, every time I went to A&E I had to wait 3/4 hours to be seen. I assumed that was the norm, limited doctors and nurses out of hours who probably have very sick patients in the hospital to look after as well. My sister worked for a year in A&E said it was the horrific, nobody wants that gig, and the problem won’t have got any better during a pandemic. Which we are still in, even if certain elected officials prefer to think it’s not.
Quote from: KeithMyath on October 22, 2021, 08:38:29 amThat sounds terrible Nudga, that must be the case for everyone who arrives at A&E. The sooner we privatise the whole NHS the better, let’s make it so those chavs can’t afford to visit a hospital via. Extortionate Health insurance. That way those of us who can afford it can happily be seen 20 mins earlier.When I lived in Donny, every time I went to A&E I had to wait 3/4 hours to be seen. I assumed that was the norm, limited doctors and nurses out of hours who probably have very sick patients in the hospital to look after as well. My sister worked for a year in A&E said it was the horrific, nobody wants that gig, and the problem won’t have got any better during a pandemic. Which we are still in, even if certain elected officials prefer to think it’s not. So what about those that are n’t chavs, but are on low income and can’t afford private health insurance, where do they fit in, in your grand master plan? Are they expendable because they are poor? Your comments are an insult to everyone on minimum wage and zero hour contracts, typical selfish attitude
That sounds terrible Nudga, that must be the case for everyone who arrives at A&E. The sooner we privatise the whole NHS the better, let’s make it so those chavs can’t afford to visit a hospital via. Extortionate Health insurance. That way those of us who can afford it can happily be seen 20 mins earlier.When I lived in Donny, every time I went to A&E I had to wait 3/4 hours to be seen. I assumed that was the norm, limited doctors and nurses out of hours who probably have very sick patients in the hospital to look after as well. My sister worked for a year in A&E said it was the horrific, nobody wants that gig, and the problem won’t have got any better during a pandemic. Which we are still in, even if certain elected officials prefer to think it’s not.
Quote from: KeithMyath on October 22, 2021, 08:38:29 amThat sounds terrible Nudga, that must be the case for everyone who arrives at A&E. The sooner we privatise the whole NHS the better, let’s make it so those chavs can’t afford to visit a hospital via. Extortionate Health insurance. That way those of us who can afford it can happily be seen 20 mins earlier.When I lived in Donny, every time I went to A&E I had to wait 3/4 hours to be seen. I assumed that was the norm, limited doctors and nurses out of hours who probably have very sick patients in the hospital to look after as well. My sister worked for a year in A&E said it was the horrific, nobody wants that gig, and the problem won’t have got any better during a pandemic. Which we are still in, even if certain elected officials prefer to think it’s not. So what about those that are n’t chavs, but are on low income and can’t afford private health insurance, where do they fit in, in your grand master plan? Are they expendable because they are poor? Your comments are an insult to everyone on minimum wage and zero hour contracts, typical selfish attitude
Private healthcare doesn't work very well when it comes to A&E.It's not a service they can easily provide.