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Quote from: dickos1 on July 19, 2021, 09:31:04 pmQuote from: albie on July 19, 2021, 08:40:45 pmI thought that the WHO were saying that vaccines should be donated to poorer countries to speed up their resilience, instead of vaxxing everyone in the west.That is a perfectly reasonable position, but if we are NOT doing that, then we are talking about how we give priority at home.I have not seen what Semple said, but it could relate to this, or refer to priority if there is a supply shortage. I do not remember seeing this as a recommendation from the whole group, in the Sage minutes. There are often a variety of opinions within such a group, the overall position is the consensus.From WHO’s chief scientist Dr Soumya SwaminathanSo the reason that today, WHO is saying that vaccinating children is not a priority is because children, though they can get infected with Covid-19 and they can transmit the infection to others, they are at much lower risk of getting severe disease compared to older adults. And that is why when we started prioritizing people who should get the vaccination when there are limited supplies of vaccines available in the country, we recommend that we start with health care workers and frontline workers who are at very high risk of exposure to the infection. Also, elderly, the people who have underlying illnesses that make them at high risk to develop severe disease and start with those groups, protect them first, because we want to reduce the death rates that we are seeing today globally and then gradually come down age-wise in the population till we get to children. And again, while there may be some children who are at higher risk of getting the severe disease because of some underlying illnesses or vulnerabilities or comorbidities, those children potentially could be prioritised for vaccines when they become available. But children as a group form a much lower priority group. Thanks for that, Dickos, it backs up what I thought they meant.As the UK are not passing on vaccines to the developing world in large amounts at present, it still leaves the question of how the UK should allocate resources inside the country.What do you reckon...who should get it next?
Quote from: albie on July 19, 2021, 08:40:45 pmI thought that the WHO were saying that vaccines should be donated to poorer countries to speed up their resilience, instead of vaxxing everyone in the west.That is a perfectly reasonable position, but if we are NOT doing that, then we are talking about how we give priority at home.I have not seen what Semple said, but it could relate to this, or refer to priority if there is a supply shortage. I do not remember seeing this as a recommendation from the whole group, in the Sage minutes. There are often a variety of opinions within such a group, the overall position is the consensus.From WHO’s chief scientist Dr Soumya SwaminathanSo the reason that today, WHO is saying that vaccinating children is not a priority is because children, though they can get infected with Covid-19 and they can transmit the infection to others, they are at much lower risk of getting severe disease compared to older adults. And that is why when we started prioritizing people who should get the vaccination when there are limited supplies of vaccines available in the country, we recommend that we start with health care workers and frontline workers who are at very high risk of exposure to the infection. Also, elderly, the people who have underlying illnesses that make them at high risk to develop severe disease and start with those groups, protect them first, because we want to reduce the death rates that we are seeing today globally and then gradually come down age-wise in the population till we get to children. And again, while there may be some children who are at higher risk of getting the severe disease because of some underlying illnesses or vulnerabilities or comorbidities, those children potentially could be prioritised for vaccines when they become available. But children as a group form a much lower priority group.
I thought that the WHO were saying that vaccines should be donated to poorer countries to speed up their resilience, instead of vaxxing everyone in the west.That is a perfectly reasonable position, but if we are NOT doing that, then we are talking about how we give priority at home.I have not seen what Semple said, but it could relate to this, or refer to priority if there is a supply shortage. I do not remember seeing this as a recommendation from the whole group, in the Sage minutes. There are often a variety of opinions within such a group, the overall position is the consensus.
Valance didn't miss-speak. Here's his explanation of 60% double jabbed in hospital.Why the f**k would he then correct himself on twitter?https://twitter.com/AlgorithmBeat/status/1417179789320986625?s=19
Quote from: Nudga on July 20, 2021, 07:40:38 amValance didn't miss-speak. Here's his explanation of 60% double jabbed in hospital.Why the f**k would he then correct himself on twitter?https://twitter.com/AlgorithmBeat/status/1417179789320986625?s=19He either miss spoke or was provided the wrong information initially then corrected what he said later on. Let's not turn it into a conspiracy.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2021, 11:10:42 pmCummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.Forgive me, but what the actual f**k is explosive about that? Yet another nothing to see here story
Cummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.
That "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.
A neighbour of mine has Covid at the moment. He’s been double jabbed and reckons he caught it while out shopping last week. I was chatting to him this morning and he said his symptoms were like a very mild flu. However, he’s sure that if he’d not had the vaccine he’d be feeling much, much worse.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 09:52:43 amThat "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.It’s the legacy of 24 hour rolling news. They have so much telly to fill they’ll roll out any boob with an opinion to fill in some time.
That "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.
Cummings is an embarrassment, Imagine his family and friends seeing him behaving like this. I’m deeply embarrassed for him and I don’t know him
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on July 20, 2021, 10:25:45 amA neighbour of mine has Covid at the moment. He’s been double jabbed and reckons he caught it while out shopping last week. I was chatting to him this morning and he said his symptoms were like a very mild flu. However, he’s sure that if he’d not had the vaccine he’d be feeling much, much worse. Surely that’s the point, no vaccine can ever stop you catching something, just prepares your immune system to fight it faster when it does enter your system
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on July 20, 2021, 10:27:19 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 09:52:43 amThat "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.It’s the legacy of 24 hour rolling news. They have so much telly to fill they’ll roll out any boob with an opinion to fill in some time. But we are talking about the flagship BBC news analysis programme, Newsnight. What they did was to put up someone who is at the very extreme libertarian end of opinion about how we should deal with COVID, and given the impression that he is mainstream scientific opinion. It is just appalling editorial standards.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 09:52:43 amThat "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.It’s the legacy of 24 hour rolling news. They have so much telly to fill they’ll roll out any boob with an opinion to fill in some time.
That "leading professor" is Robert Dingwall. He has no qualifications in medicine, immunology or epidemiology. He, and several signatoried of the Great Barrington Declaration wrote to the Govt in May demanding an early end to this lockdown. He has been against lockdowns and social distancing throughout.He wrote last week that the current wave was "mild illness".God knows why the BBC put these people up without explanation.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 20, 2021, 09:30:00 amCummings is an embarrassment, Imagine his family and friends seeing him behaving like this. I’m deeply embarrassed for him and I don’t know him I think he is a deeply unpleasant, egotistical t**t who should never have got near Govt and who should have been drummed out the moment he broke the lockdown rules.None of that has any bearing on what we are talking about here. In a functioning democracy, if there are factual records supporting his claims (and for all that I think Kuenssberg is a second rate journalist, she says there are and she has seen them and I cannot understand why she would lie about that) Johnson would be out of office this very week. But we are totally through the looking glass these days.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 10:37:28 amQuote from: dickos1 on July 20, 2021, 09:30:00 amCummings is an embarrassment, Imagine his family and friends seeing him behaving like this. I’m deeply embarrassed for him and I don’t know him I think he is a deeply unpleasant, egotistical t**t who should never have got near Govt and who should have been drummed out the moment he broke the lockdown rules.None of that has any bearing on what we are talking about here. In a functioning democracy, if there are factual records supporting his claims (and for all that I think Kuenssberg is a second rate journalist, she says there are and she has seen them and I cannot understand why she would lie about that) Johnson would be out of office this very week. But we are totally through the looking glass these days. I’m not saying she is, but it’s not too difficult to understand why she may be lying about it. She’s a horrible journalist, can’t stand her or rigby
Quote from: Ldr on July 19, 2021, 11:24:15 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2021, 11:10:42 pmCummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.Forgive me, but what the actual f**k is explosive about that? Yet another nothing to see here storyIs that the words of the Cummings who is a compulsive liar.And now suddenly Kuensberg is the good reporter after apparently being shite for the last few years.
"Sorry albie but she doesn’t mention at all passing on the vaccines to the developing world instead.She is speaking about making sure the more vulnerable are fully vacccined first.Which is the point our government have also made",Dickos,The WHO is concerned with the overall situation, across the world.They are not talking specifically about the UK, but about the international dimension.Equity of access is core to the message they have been setting out across the pandemic;https://youtu.be/dDVDMQvpH2QThis is the background to the quote you posted. Now the UK is NOT distributing vaccines to developing countries in large amounts at the moment, so how do we prioritise at home. All the older groups have been offered, and we still have to mop up significant numbers in the under 30's.What people have suggested is focus on the adolescents after that, not because they have a high death risk, but to drive down infection rates from that route of transmission.Here is Mike Ryan of the WHO talking about it;https://youtu.be/y0qZPzTI0m0I hope that is useful.