Local Elections And Hartlepool

[Ldr]

1st time in a long time I genuinely have no idea which way my vote will go tomorrow

[turnbull for england]

I vote every time, aside from my civic duty it has a direct effect on my job in all honesty so at least Ive tried if we get a loon in. I can see how people don't bother though,  our ward vote is for a list of names mostly completely unknown but nearly all labour and a previous incumbent  so how do you choose? , Police commissioner?  Anyone's guess who they are and what difference one over will make . Mayor wise at least you had some information to pick a favourite but imagine party politics will succeed .

[drfchound]

The sad not so slow I suppose death of a political party that has lost it's core support being played out in public and becoming irrelevant.

A party that was polling 38% on Monday, 2% behind the Tories.

You don't half spout some ignorant b*llocks.

I suppose that depends on which poll you have seen and believe in.
A recent post on the Congratulations Keir Starmer thread suggests different figures in another poll that was taken.

That was the most recent nationwide poll to be published. All other ones in the past week have had Labour in mid-high 30% range.

What was your point? Given that I was responding to a post by Selby announcing Labour's decline into irrelevance.

Ah, so because you were responding to selby no one else is allowed to join in.
You might want to remember that yourself in future then when you offer your opinion when two people are having a discussion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Of course you are allowed to join in. I just haven't a clue what point you were trying to make. Selby had said Labour were sliding into oblivion. I said that wasn't in any way supported by the polls. If you were wanting to add to that substantive discussion, feel free.

[drfchound]

I already did that.
If you read what I wrote, I said that a post on the Congratulations Keir Starmer thread had other polls which had different stats.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes. From a week ago. Before the effect of the latest allegations of Johnson's behaviour had worked through.

But in any case, what was that adding to the main theme about whether Labour were imploding? That's why I asked what point you were trying to make.

[drfchound]

There is much internal unrest in the Labour Party ranks, highlighted by some of the posts on this thread between Labour Party members.
IMO they are nowhere near being a serious challenger to overcome the Tories, despite their shortcomings.

[Bentley Bullet]

Hmm...

[Herbert Anchovy]

Hmm...

Which establishment are receiving the middle finger from cool Conservatives?

[DonnyOsmond]

How are the right wing giving the middle finger to the establishment?

[MachoMadness]

The right have invented this reality where they're both the sensible silent majority but also the anti-establishment too cool for school minority as well. Bizarre stuff.

[Bentley Bullet]

By establishment, I assume he refers to the establishment that has become snivelling and self-righteous, going around shaming everyone.

Whether I agree with him is not the point. The point is many, many people do agree with him, and that reflects on election results.

[DonnyOsmond]

I reckon BB meant the establishment of hungry children or nurses wanting more money instead of claps, or maybe even John Lewis.

[Bentley Bullet]

you reckon I meant?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I never thought I'd see the day when John Lydon would turn into a golf club bore.

I say "never". I mean "not until about 1979" because he's been playing the same "Ooh, look how f**king edgy I am" lefty bashing trope for about as long as it takes John Bostock to track back from the halfway line when we lose possession.

 Irrelevant old man becomes boring, ignorant reactionary. Who'd have thought it?

[SydneyRover]

Gunboat diplomacy, johnson must be feeling a tad nervous trying to shore up his stocks?

[Bentley Bullet]

I never thought I'd see the day when John Lydon would turn into a golf club bore.

I say "never". I mean "not until about 1979" because he's been playing the same "Ooh, look how f**king edgy I am" lefty bashing trope for about as long as it takes John Bostock to track back from the halfway line when we lose possession.

 Irrelevant old man becomes boring, ignorant reactionary. Who'd have thought it?

What's wrong with being a reactionary in these days of political animosity? And, what's wrong with being an old man?

[SydneyRover]

I thought you'd be well equipped to answer that yourself bb

[Bentley Bullet]

What do you mean by that, Skippy? Oh, and why do you try to answer questions that are put to your leader when you can't answer those put to you?

[SydneyRover]

I can see you've been pending too much time with selby

[Bentley Bullet]

You see Skippy, THAT'S a typical example what John Lydon was referring to.

[SydneyRover]

what was?

[Bentley Bullet]

what was?

Your sniveling self-righteous last post, except, you weren't right!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nowt wrong with being old BB. I'm planning on getting there myself.

Being reactionary is a political choice though. And does much to fuel animosity because it is often based on focussing on the negative. As Lydon is doing.

Spouting b*llocks about a bunch of extremely wealthy, privately educated, well connected people like Johnson or Rees-Mogg being against The Establishment is such a perversion of language that it is beyond farcical. He is using the phrase The Establishment to mean "people whose opinion I don't like" rather than the true meaning. You think that doesn't fuel animosity?

[SydneyRover]

what was?

Your sniveling self-righteous last post, except, you weren't right!

Mixing whisky and selby is not good

[Bentley Bullet]

Nowt wrong with being old BB. I'm planning on getting there myself.

Being reactionary is a political choice though. And does much to fuel animosity because it is often based on focussing on the negative. As Lydon is doing.

Spouting b*llocks about a bunch of extremely wealthy, privately educated, well connected people like Johnson or Rees-Mogg being against The Establishment is such a perversion of language that it is beyond farcical. He is using the phrase The Establishment to mean "people whose opinion I don't like" rather than the true meaning. You think that doesn't fuel animosity?

Well, of course, BST, you'll know what he really meant, being superior to us all.

1)If  there's now't wrong with being old, why do you mention it?

2) Don't you think YOU are guilty of animosity and focusing on the negative?

[SydneyRover]

I can see joe lydon and tommy yaxley robinson hand in hand as we speak

[Bentley Bullet]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

[SydneyRover]

What's wrong with being gay bb?

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's nothing implicitly wrong with being old. But this older generation is a particularly reactionary one. So the fact that Lydon has become both old and reactionary is symbolic of his generation.

As for me pointing out negatives, as I've said times many, I only ever do it when supported by evidence. Just like I give praise when the evidence supports it. I've invited you times many to refute that and you never have done.

What do YOU do when the evidence suggests mistakes or wrongdoing?