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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Not Now Kato on July 02, 2016, 12:09:29 pm
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https://youtu.be/0dosmKwrAbI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI
Drop the 's' in https, and it'll show up on 'ere.
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Yeah, but them f**king Romanians, eh?
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We've tekken us Kitsonry back, so f**k 'em all.
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Ah, but according to some it is ok because life is for living and air is free to enjoy!!
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Rigo has clearly never seen the Lorax.
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We live in a democracy, and that means there's a vote for every country member.
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Ah, but according to some it is ok because life is for living and air is free to enjoy!!
Until a sustained period of time has elapsed, nobody will know whether leaving the EU is a good thing or a bad thing.
But I don't regret my vote - and if it offends you, then I pity you.
I see. So you don't regret voting for lies. How shallow your life must be. No offence Rigo, but the only pity is to you.
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No, I voted based on my personal preferences. I'm sure 33.5 million other people did the very same thing.
It was more like 17m wasn't it?
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I'm sure 33.5 million other people did the very same thing.
This from the man who criticised others on here by claiming they were 'psychoanalysing' him, but is suddenly sure he knows the reasons why 33.5 million others acted the way they did...
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I'm sure 33.5 million other people did the very same thing.
This from the man who criticised others on here by claiming they were 'psychoanalysing' him, but is suddenly sure he knows the reasons why 33.5 million others acted the way they did...
Not really, it's a referendum. You have a vote and you do whatever you like with it - not what your told to do by a handful of kuntz on this forum.
I don't personally give a monkeys if that vote effects anyone else, just like nobody else would give a monkeys if their vote effects me.
Whoosh!
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Rigo.
Please take this in the spirit it is intended. This is not a barb. It's a heartfelt comment.
I don't know what demons you have been dealing with, to bring you to a point in life where you convince yourself that only blinkered self-interest exists in the world, but you are wrong. Many people act with altruistic intent. Many people make decisions that are not directly in their own self-interests, but are what they think is for the greater good.
If you need to tell yourself that this sort of behaviour doesn't exist, that the world goes round through everyone just looking out for themselves, then I genuinely pity you. That sounds like a lonely place and it's not one I'd want to be in.
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The part where you said that you don't give a monkey's if your vote affects anyone else and that no-one else give a monkey's about the effect of their vote on you.
And the "they all vote based on issues important to themselves" part.
Those are the really sad parts.
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Everything i have seen so far, with the markets getting shaky, i expected. What i didn't expect was remain supporters to not respect democracy.
Things will not alter totally, immigrants who are needed will come in, we will still deal with the eu countries. The border at calais already is being kept, as is. Those countries need us, just as much as we do them.
This shaky period is to be expected, it happened back in 1992 with that eu deal. It's was always going to happen, this country has the ability to grow much bigger and faster, we have the best of both worlds.
I don't feel conned, i expected lies from whichever side won, i didn't vote thinking the nhs was getting three hundred and odd million, i didn't believe it. I didn't believe we would have no immigrants, i believed that the country could decide better, outside the eu, who comes in and not.
I still believe, the country is after a period of slowing down, will resurge and many remainers will be just as happy as the leavers.
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I do feel conned. Not just by the inept campaign fought by Remain but also by the EU.
Once they realised the enormity of the result they announce that the EU needs to listen to the people and become more democratic. That was the reason that I wanted to leave for but could never see changing.
Had they thought along those lines three months ago it could have changed the outcome or at least added more weight to the Remain campaign's case.
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Rigo - read this carefully - I am not offended by your vote, nor anyone else's, nor the result.
The downright lies and subsequent backtracking offend me.
How many of the electorate really understand macro economics anyway - to be swayed by those arguments on trade and budgets etc?
How many of the general populace are more easily swayed by emotional arguments about immigration or funding the NHS?
How many remain voters feel conned now compared to leave voters?
Of course, the result is the result, but the process was questionable to say the least.
Nice to know you don't care about anyone else - like me and my family, a fellow Doncaster rovers supporter?
Oh wait, you're not one of those? I guess that makes you just as much one of the "forum kuntz" as you put it.
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SCWK - thanks for posting how you did, perfectly acceptable and I respect your views - a shame others don't post in your manner on this subject. That probably includes me too, but I am riled by Rigo, who could certainly take a lesson from you.
However there may be many leave voters who were affected by and believed those campaign issues?
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We live in a democracy, and that means there's a vote for every country member.
Yes, I remember..
So did many others!!!!
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SCWK - thanks for posting how you did, perfectly acceptable and I respect your views - a shame others don't post in your manner on this subject. That probably includes me too, but I am riled by Rigo, who could certainly take a lesson from you.
However there may be many leave voters who were affected by and believed those campaign issues?
Just watch - the "beast" may finally be stirring. Demo in York (protesting against a Leave Vote) yesterday looked to have 5 thou in attendance .... its a start. Whether the majority of them were people who Voted Remain or Leave (and who feel lied to) I know not and for accuracy I cant speculate
However in London did you see the BBC coverage when huge numbers appeared "like a Flash Mob" to protest against the Leave vote. Rather than saying they were conned they seemed to be saying the narrowness of the victory for Leave was unacceptable. In reality though we voted Leave in a Binary Election and as I have said many times already 600,000 voting Remain rather than Leave and the Country would still have had Cameron as Leader and Corbyn as Labour Leader and Farage and Johnson and the Leavers saying the vote was too narrow to be "binding"
Police put the numbers at 30,000 but the BBC seemed to report 300,000 and I suspect that the figure will continue to grow when London York and I suspect others get together
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Do you still not get that a 'clean' campaign is an absolute myth? It's never, ever going to happen and it's at odds with the reality of such a campaign.
Do you still not get that with other elections, general elections, by elections, local councils etc that if the electorate feels conned they have the opportunity to put that right next time, but with this referendum, we don't?
Of course the campaigns will never be truly clean - both sides will give a different perception - but why not base this on facts?
Why couldn't leave talk about using (some of) the 350 million a week on continuing to fund what is currently funded here by the EU - and maybe offer to re-allocate the net remainder to NHS, schools etc?
The idea of using our money for our country would have been the same, but the way it is put across would not have been misleading.
If you don't think it was misleading, that big bus gave it away.
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Where on that big bus did it say all of the 350 million would be used to fund nhs.
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Where on that big bus did it say all of the 350 million would be used to fund nhs.
Where on that bus did it say what ELSE the 350 million could be spent on??
It was a clear and direct implication, in great big letters...
(http://leftfootforward.org/images/2016/05/rsz_cikhd7axaaiklxc.jpg)
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/05/11/60add4d6-908c-430c-bb62-9d23b5ff71e1-large_trans++D3d2dmOlWYuQkR76XZjLQKOylOV7i1cNNz18XOj47vE.jpg)
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Well i didnt take it to mean all the money would go to the nhs, although obviously some did.
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Well i didnt take it to mean all the money would go to the nhs, although obviously some did.
That's precisely the point - you and many others, probably millions of leave voters didn't make that conclusion - but how many did??
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Dont know how many did, but how many unsure voters believed all the scare stories the remain campaigners were telling.I voted to leave and dont feel i was conned.
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Ditch
Did you believe that we'd save £350m per week?
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Rigo
You don't give a monkey's very loudly.
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Well, Boris said it would all go on the NHS...
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/05/14/97905329_BRISTOL_ENGLAND_-_MAY_14__Conservative_MP_Boris_Johnson_speaks_as_he_visits_Bristol_on_May-large_trans++KjggCdpvXjoraOzAlyzu1MOSRhbr0ZABex7Vh5dC_YU.jpg)
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I thought you didn't give a monkey's Rigo.
Do you give a monkey's or don't you? It's rather difficult to talk to someone whose opinion changes with the wind.
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Strange man. Quite unable to engage in anything remotely resembling an open exchange of views.
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Well i didnt take it to mean all the money would go to the nhs, although obviously some did.
That's precisely the point - you and many others, probably millions of leave voters didn't make that conclusion - but how many did??
Enough to upset you.
Learn to read you ignorant tosser! I have no issue with your or anyone else's vote.. That is not, and hasn't been my argument..
You go on ignoring what folks actually say eh?
Disagreeing is one thing - not a problem there - but even readers of the forum who don't agree with my opinions will surely see you not actually answering questions or replying to what is actually said.
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And on that note, Rigo's on Ignore.
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Rigo - read this carefully - I am not offended by your vote, nor anyone else's, nor the result.
There you go Rigo, in case you missed it before..
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Funny enough I was in York yesterday (daughter was in a gymnastics show at the barbican) we met the demo head on and waited for it to pass. There were a thousand at most. However the pedestrian Streets were mobbed so therefore probably looked like 5k! Good on them though at least doing something ? Even if they did all look like school teachers circa 1978!!!!
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Believing leaving the EU is and thinking people have made the wrong decision isn't mutually exclusive with believing in democracy, you know.
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And what a hatchet job they did... It's quite staggering. But, obviously, some people think that it's okay.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/inaccurate-newspaper-stories-misled-the-british-public-when-they-voted-remain-says-founder-of-pro-eu-fact-checking-website/ (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/inaccurate-newspaper-stories-misled-the-british-public-when-they-voted-remain-says-founder-of-pro-eu-fact-checking-website/)
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Disagreeing is one thing - not a problem there - but even readers of the forum who don't agree with my opinions will surely see you not actually answering questions or replying to what is actually said.
They'll also see certain folk believing in democracy...
...until they don't get their own way, which leads to a series of threads squawking about how bad leaving the European Union supposedly is.
This democracy you believe in, allows for free speech doesn't it?
Also the threads seem to be more about the dishonesty of the leave campaign, as apposed to the effects of leaving the EU..
Then again, it's easy to twist things isn't it?
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The leavers were lied to in equal measure, and yet still people voted leave. Therefore to me, though it was a terrible campaign by both sides, it was a fair election. Plenty came out and voted and leave edged it, it has to be accepted.
Now everybody should just come back together, because a lot of things won't change, and have faith that our country will get stronger. Our people and products are as good as any in the world.
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The leavers were lied to in equal measure, and yet still people voted leave. Therefore to me, though it was a terrible campaign by both sides, it was a fair election. Plenty came out and voted and leave edged it, it has to be accepted.
Now everybody should just come back together, because a lot of things won't change, and have faith that our country will get stronger. Our people and products are as good as any in the world.
But will be more expensive in other countries once we leave the Single Market.
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It amazes me how wound up people get over this,it is what it is so try be positive good things might even happen
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I could give you all manner of reasons why I think that you're wrong. Happily, someone else has done this already for me - and it's a peach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyyOyoeqKfM
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It amazes me how wound up people get over this,it is what it is so try be positive good things might even happen
Aye, because the problems that we almost certainly will face are going to magically disappear if we just put on a brave face and smile about it.
Or as Alex Salmond might say to us, "you're just talking Britain (sic) down".
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Ok then red what you going to do about the problems we may or may not face
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Do you think it's possible that the negative anti leavers might actually be causing a recession? Also do you think that some of those people might actually want a recession just to prove a point?
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Seems that way to me,half the people will give themselves a heart attack worrying and being so cross about something that may never happen
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BB
No. I don't think that the companies who are not investing in Britain, or the currency speculators who have deserted the pound are doing so because Remain voters are f**ked off.
Do YOU think that? Really?
And no, I personally really, really, REALLY don't want us to have a recession and half a million more people on the dole. And I really do wonder about the values of people who project those thoughts onto other people.
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Ok then red what you going to do about the problems we may or may not face
Well last time I checked I wasn't in a position to hugely impact upon an economy that could very well go to shit.
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BST
So you don't think going on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about our country's imminent financial collapse because of 'conned leave voters' is causing damage to our economy?
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BST
So you don't think going on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about our country's imminent financial collapse because of 'conned leave voters' is causing damage to our economy?
Of course it isn't, it's reportage not causality! Sheesh.
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If some people get off on negativity, fair enough, it does nothing for me.
Does that not apply to your recent postings on the Euros, the Premiership and this new JPT trophy thing? Or are we only allowed to be negative when it suits you - and positive when it suits you?
People are right to be concerned. There has been a huge gap between the Brexiters telling us how great it would be if we voted to leave the EU - and the aftermath where they have disappeared - along with any semblance of a plan to achieve those 'benefits'.
What's the problem with discussing it? Anway, if you haven't got anything positive to say you wont want to contribute will you?
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BST
So you don't think going on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about our country's imminent financial collapse because of 'conned leave voters' is causing damage to our economy?
Of course it isn't, it's reportage not causality! Sheesh.
You said that without moving your lips again, Billy!
Anyway, on my way home from the pub last night I thought I'd pop into Greasy Joe's for summet to eat. Then I started to worry about whether all the doom and gloom merchants were right and that I should save my money for the apparent recession. So I decided to abstain from buying a take-away, meaning poor old Greasy Joe was a casualty to my new found austerity. He'd lost out on my 3 quid I usually spend on my Kebab! Shish.
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BB
Belt up please. I'm really not in the f**king mood for this.
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BST
So you don't think going on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on about our country's imminent financial collapse because of 'conned leave voters' is causing damage to our economy?
Of course it isn't, it's reportage not causality! Sheesh.
You said that without moving your lips again, Billy!
Anyway, on my way home from the pub last night I thought I'd pop into Greasy Joe's for summet to eat. Then I started to worry about whether all the doom and gloom merchants were right and that I should save my money for the apparent recession. So I decided to abstain from buying a take-away, meaning poor old Greasy Joe was a casualty to my new found austerity. He'd lost out on my 3 quid I usually spend on my Kebab! Shish.
Ah BB, in your jollity you've encompassed what is likely to happen on a grand scale. Not, as you presume, from the doom and gloom merchants but from the reality of uncertainty, of price rises, of the risk of job cuts, of increased taxation, (likely if the Chancellor cuts Corporation Tax as he's suggested), of media misrepresentation. Oh, austerity isn't that far away at all, but then again, that's what the 'leavers' really voted for!
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Aye but it's the EU's/immigrants'/Labour's fault.
Delete as appropriate.
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conned - no
no they were just anti- man united fans and knew if they won the exchange rate would go down and cost man u an extra 10 million or so
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I voted remain,am I upset at being defeated? no.
What I am upset about is the realisation of what a poor set of self serving political leaders we now have.
In an era when,it seems to me how you look,are you young enough,and did you go to the right school matters,ask yourselves if Churchill,or Wilson would have been elected because of their looks,and age.
How some of these straight from college,never done a day's graft in their lives,think they can preach to a miner who was on strike for a year fighting for their jobs,and tell them anything about life,and the difference between right or wrong is beyond me.
The way they are squabling in public to try and save their £80k plus expenses jobs is pathetic.
The labour party should deselect all those opposing Cornyn,surely there are better people to put forward the working man's case than this lot of careerists.
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Christ, Clement Attlee wouldn't have had a cat's chance in hell these days. And look at what his government achieved.