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Dickos1) The total figures for the whole epidemic are irrelaevant to the point we are discussing - the current situation.2) You are cherry picking the daily numbers for California to fit an argument. If you're going to do this properly, look at the 7 day averages.State Population (M) Cases Deaths Cases/Million Deaths/MillionCalifornia 39.5 12995 82 329.0 2.1New York 19.5 4582 24 235.0 1.2Illinois 12.7 3657 29 288.0 2.3Michigan 10 2026 15 202.6 1.5Washington 6 3160 23 415.8 3.0Massachusetts 6.9 1419 6 205.7 0.9 Texas 29 16949 175 584.4 6.0Florida 21.5 21203 242 986.2 11.3Georgia 10.6 8762 48 826.6 4.5Louisiana 4.6 4625 64 1005.4 13.9Mississippi 3 3200 30 1066.7 10.0 Arkansas 3 2067 32 689.0 10.7UK 68.4 33828 110 494.6 1.6I said the problem in the USA at the moment is predominantly driven by the stupid handling of restrictions in the Deep South (and the stupid resistance to vaccination in the whole of the USA, but in particular in Trump supporting areas). I said MOST of America had the current outbreak more or less under control apart from the Deep South. Look at those numbers and tell me I'm wrong.
Wolfies comments on thread argy-bargy are worth a read and I agree with him, but it shouldn't get nasty at any time.
Go on. Indulge me. Where have I said it's carnage here?And you're just going to ignore the 7 day averages because...?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 10:20:59 amGo on. Indulge me. Where have I said it's carnage here?And you're just going to ignore the 7 day averages because...?Throughout this thread you keep suggesting England is a disaster, and then argue other countries are managing it far better. USA don’t have it under control that’s my point, nor do many other countries, plenty of whom may look like they do at the minute
Quote from: dickos1 on August 28, 2021, 09:04:38 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 10:20:59 amGo on. Indulge me. Where have I said it's carnage here?And you're just going to ignore the 7 day averages because...?Throughout this thread you keep suggesting England is a disaster, and then argue other countries are managing it far better. USA don’t have it under control that’s my point, nor do many other countries, plenty of whom may look like they do at the minuteJust a thought dickos, maybe you are confusing the comments about johnson and his government being a shambles and the facts about how they have handled the covid response.
You're quite something Dickos. Constantly changing the terms of the discussion, totally ignoring your utterly wrong previous opinions, turning a blind eye to facts and then claiming you are right.
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 28, 2021, 11:55:26 pmQuote from: dickos1 on August 28, 2021, 09:04:38 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 10:20:59 amGo on. Indulge me. Where have I said it's carnage here?And you're just going to ignore the 7 day averages because...?Throughout this thread you keep suggesting England is a disaster, and then argue other countries are managing it far better. USA don’t have it under control that’s my point, nor do many other countries, plenty of whom may look like they do at the minuteJust a thought dickos, maybe you are confusing the comments about johnson and his government being a shambles and the facts about how they have handled the covid response.The thread is about coronavirus Ozzie!I know you try your best to turn everything about boris but I’m keeping on topic And it’s a fallacy that the U.K. is doing far worse than most of the world
That's your prerogative dickos but why do we have to wait for those countries that can't afford vaccines to get worse before declaring the uk response a success?
I don’t agree Aussie!When we look back in 5 years I believe the U.K. will look like they managed it as good as most countries. And the thing is most of the population agree, if there was a general election tomorrow the tories would win again at a canter. That wouldn’t happen if everything thought it was their fault. The only people going mad are the fanatical Labour fans, most sane people can acknowledge it
You replied saying it was my prerogative and then proceeded to tell me why it’s not my prerogative.U.K. have made mistakes as have every country in the world, some mistakes we don’t even know about yet. U.K. have also been excellent, in aspects and other countries will be excellent in things we don’t know about yet.
I don’t support the government that’s where all you Labour die hards are going wrong.I’ve never voted Tory in my life and I’d be saying the same things I’m saying now if Labour were in charge. But the Labour fans are just constantly making it into party politics all the time, it gets tiresome. Boris won’t even have had a clue what herd immunity was, he’s obviously taking advice from folk who know more about it than any of us. Labour would be doing the same, the scientists all contradict each other too so it can’t be said they ignore scientists advice cause there’s so much differing advice everywhere.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 09:29:10 pmYou're quite something Dickos. Constantly changing the terms of the discussion, totally ignoring your utterly wrong previous opinions, turning a blind eye to facts and then claiming you are right. I think most of the world has been wrong regards covid, you keep bringing up something I said 19 months ago yet you’ve been consistently wrong over the last few weeks. Anyhow I’m not changing the terms of the discussion I’m pointing out USA doesn’t have it under control and England isn’t doing as badly as you’re trying to portray to everyone
I've asked on here several times what level of daily deaths people would consider acceptable. Looks like the Govt has commissioned a study to determine at what point the scale of new deaths becomes economically damaging. The magic number is 137 per day. If this is right, the reintroduction of enhanced restrictions isn't far off.https://inews.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-privately-accepts-up-to-50000-annual-covid-deaths-as-an-acceptable-level-1170069The source said: “The Prime Minister is minded to implement another lockdown or new restrictions only if the figure of annual deaths looks like it’s going to go above 50,000. That means deaths from Covid of 137 a day, or just under 1,000 a week.“However, it won’t be an immediate reaction. A sustained rate of death of around a 1,000 a week for two or three weeks will, though, lead to discussion on restrictions being reimposed. Unfortunately, prime ministers have to weigh up the cost of saving lives to the impact on the economy. No one wants to talk about that’s how it works.”7 day average daily deaths have risen from 70 at the end of last month to 110 now, even when new cases were apparently falling. It's hard to see daily deaths not going above that 137 threshold sometime in the next month or so.
I was talking the other day about the batshit Trumpist leadership in the Deep South taking them into an avoidable disaster.This. Just...WHAT?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/tate-reeves-says-mississippians-less-scared-covid-because-they-believe-eternal-life-1624014%3famp=1