Putin

[scawsby steve]

Is he bluffing? If he's not, then there seems to be only 2 scenarios; a nuclear war, or Ukraine loses.

Personally, I think he's too cowardly to launch a nuclear strike against the West, but will the Western leaders take the risk?

It's interesting to hear what the political pundits and military experts are now saying about the US election. If Biden wins, the threat of nuclear war increases; if Trump wins, it becomes less because he'll weaken Nato, thus emboldening Putin with his land grabs.

It's an awful situation all round, and there doesn't seem to be any favourable solutions anywhere.

[selby]

Trump will get what he wants if he comes to power, the other NATO countries will have to stump up, Europe has had its good times with American and UK cash propping them up and putting them on their feet again, they had seventy years of it.

[SydneyRover]

Here's some info on money being used to thwart putin

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

[roverstillidie91]

In all fairness Putin did say as long as Nato didn't encroach on them they'd leave them alone.

However I don't believe all is being told about the WEF puppet. Zelensky that is.

[TonySoprano]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

[Sprotyrover]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

[Colin C No.3]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Better for who? Apart from Putin.

[drfchound]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

That is a good question sproty and one which I will look forward to seeing whether it is answered.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

BST has a picture of Hitler on his dart board. He has his steaks, rare, cut into the shape of a Hitler face characature. He has a painting of Hitler lying dead and bleeding, on the road outside his house,  so he can start his day's running over him.

But worse, he projects that persona, Hitler, onto everything he doesn't like. Monomania.

[TonySoprano]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Better for who? Apart from Putin.

Earth

[Colemans Left Hook]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

BST has a picture of Hitler on his dart board. He has his steaks, rare, cut into the shape of a Hitler face characature. He has a painting of Hitler lying dead and bleeding, on the road outside his house,  so he can start his day's running over him.

But worse, he projects that persona, Hitler, onto everything he doesn't like. Monomania.

I hope it's a Yorkshire Dart Board

Mrs Coleman is watching those old American documentaries on Stalin and says Stalin (who even killed/starved his own people) was "effectively" worse than Hitler

[SydneyRover]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

How did it start in Germany sprot, oh that's right 'first they came for the gypsies and travellers' .................

You wouldn't be party to that sort of discrimination, you wouldn't be pointing out those that are different, would you sprot?

[drfchound]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

How did it start in Germany sprot, oh that's right 'first they came for the gypsies and travellers' .................

You wouldn't be party to that sort of discrimination, you wouldn't be pointing out those that are different, would you sprot?

Another one talking about 1930’s Germany.
Not sure why though in the context of Sprotys’ post.

[Sprotyrover]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

How did it start in Germany sprot, oh that's right 'first they came for the gypsies and travellers' .................

You wouldn't be party to that sort of discrimination, you wouldn't be pointing out those that are different, would you sprot?

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

How did it start in Germany sprot, oh that's right 'first they came for the gypsies and travellers' .................

You wouldn't be party to that sort of discrimination, you wouldn't be pointing out those that are different, would you sprot?

Right I am trying to work out what you have written Syd please explain it and how it is relevant to what I have written and then please give us an explanation as to how you would sort out Putin?

You haven’t answer my question have you Syd? you have merely done a cut and past smoke and mirrors trick again!usual Garbage

[SydneyRover]

That's easy sprot, I was wondering if a fascist or similar sort of movement started up again in times of stress and danger who may be susceptible to that style of thinking is all. I have vague memories of hexthorpe getting a guernsey a while back.

There was 40k + such people in british union of fascist that started in the 1920s.

[Sprotyrover]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Yeah, cos fascist dictators ALWAYS stop pushing when other countries back down, eh?

Fascists under the Bed? Billy you are very good at sending a whole generation of Ukrainian men to their deaths or a sad life minus a leg or 2, pray do tell WHAT !!! IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Let’s try again shall we, whilst Sydders is at Ozzie Alcoholics Anonymous!

[SydneyRover]

Fascism is only a progression, take a series of useless governments, desperate, that start breaking laws, prorogue parliament, use refugees as pawns in their political games. They could easily start deporting their own citizens trying to drum up fervour with the nutjobs.

Deporting ones own citizens would be way over to the far right, no?, protection of the population is the first duty of any government, right?

Where in the western world would it be ok to deport your own citizens? Who would do that?

Worse, who would vote for a party/government that did that?

added for those that failed to join the dots

''British political scandal that began in 2018 concerning people who were wrongly detained, denied legal rights, threatened with deportation, and in at least 83 cases[1][2][3] wrongly deported from the UK by the Home Office. Many of those affected had been born British subjects and had arrived in the UK before 1973''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

[drfchound]

All speculation Syd.
Unreal that you claim to deal in facts.

[SydneyRover]

''Let’s try again shall we, whilst Sydders is at Ozzie Alcoholics Anonymous!

[TonySoprano]

Any solution billy ?

[Colin C No.3]

The sooner ukraine gives up donbass and crimea the better.

Better for who? Apart from Putin.

Earth

Uranus

[SydneyRover]

''Who's drawn to fascism? Postwar study of authoritarianism makes a comeback''
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/who-s-drawn-to-fascism-postwar-study-of-authoritarianism-makes-a-comeback-1.6403074

F-scale (personality test)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale_(personality_test)

A controversial look at whether it can be predetermined if some have a tendency to be drawn to fascism.

[roverstillidie91]

Fascism is only a progression, take a series of useless governments, desperate, that start breaking laws, prorogue parliament, use refugees as pawns in their political games. They could easily start deporting their own citizens trying to drum up fervour with the nutjobs.

Deporting ones own citizens would be way over to the far right, no?, protection of the population is the first duty of any government, right?

Where in the western world would it be ok to deport your own citizens? Who would do that?

Worse, who would vote for a party/government that did that?

added for those that failed to join the dots

''British political scandal that began in 2018 concerning people who were wrongly detained, denied legal rights, threatened with deportation, and in at least 83 cases[1][2][3] wrongly deported from the UK by the Home Office. Many of those affected had been born British subjects and had arrived in the UK before 1973''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

Sums up the UK really

[SydneyRover]

I disagree 91, it sums up a government that has forgotten what good government is or looks like, a country is it's people and the majority are good.