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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: RoversAlias on August 12, 2017, 05:35:37 pm
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A slightly cheeky title perhaps, but it's worth pointing out that Butler and Wright were excellent today, dominayed the back line and kept Danny Graham quiet. I think Wright has been faultless in both games so far, let's hope he keeps it going.
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Agreed, although Danny Graham has stole a wage wherever he's been!
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Wright was outstanding today
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Yes, we do. One injury and we have nobody!
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We have Alcock, and soon we will have baudry and McCullough. I wouldn't sign another
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When is Baudry due back.
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So far you'd say no. Wright was excellent today I thought.
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Given the three at the back system that Ferguson often plays, you only need one 'real' centre back in the middle and then two 'pretend' centre backs either side such as Alcock or Mason for instance.
For the four at back then at present we struggle but when Baudry and McCullough come back we have four genuine centre backs there. So long as we can hold our breath next few weeks and not get an injury to either Butler or Wright then we are all good I think.
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McCullough your having a laugh
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We do still need another centre half but credit to Butler and Wright so far they are keeping it solid. Wright has the potential to be a cracking centre half.
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Why spoil what we've got? Butler and Baudry (when fit have the experience.) Wright is proving to be good enough and then we have Luke and Craig who know this league well enough. Save the money and bring in Houghton imo 😀👍
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The young West Brom lad would add healthy competition.
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Why spoil what we've got? Butler and Baudry (when fit have the experience.) Wright is proving to be good enough and then we have Luke and Craig who know this league well enough. Save the money and bring in Houghton imo 😀👍
Alcock isn't good enough, he's not played well for 12 months. Luke isn't fit and when he is fit he will only play centre half now if we are absolutely desperate, he will fight for the holding role.
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I'd still get one.
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We want Houghton and a cb, not one or the other
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If we are all honest with ourselves.. we really do need one!
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Wright was class today. Very good on the ball.
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Garratt is capable at center back.
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Wright is excellent and his performances are no surprise. He has everything you'd want in a centre half but he's still young. I'd say we have enough to get by, but if we have ambitions to mount a sustained challenge in the higher reaches of the league then we need to add another that's capable of improving us. Permanent deal though - there's no point in a loanee going into the mix.
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Garratt is capable at center back.
He can play there on the left in a 3 but wouldn't want him playing centre back in a 2.
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I would get one in on loan that we have a chance of signing I.e someone in the final year contract and if he does well and we are in and around the playoffs at the end of Jan put an offer in
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I have to say, what an excellent performance today by Wright.
That lad has really matured. Started to make me doubt whether we need another CB, but if he or Butler got injured we would be light.
I rate Alcock though, so we're not desperate.
Looking good, well done DF
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For me, yes
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Howkins gone on loan to.............
......Cambridge?
What a waste!
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Howkins gone on loan to.............
......Cambridge?
What a waste!
I wouldn't see the point in us signing a young player like Howkins on loan anyway. We have a good young centre half in Joe Wright and I'd rather we developed him than somebody else's player.
We could do with adding another central defender into our mix in the long term interests of our club but (barring further injuries) not a loanee that will block our own development and leave us short again in 6-12 months time.
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I notice DF has shifted 3 youngsters out on loan, including Fielding, Walker and Jones. Is he making room for another incoming?
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Why spoil what we've got? Butler and Baudry (when fit have the experience.) Wright is proving to be good enough and then we have Luke and Craig who know this league well enough. Save the money and bring in Houghton imo 😀👍
Alcock isn't good enough, he's not played well for 12 months. Luke isn't fit and when he is fit he will only play centre half now if we are absolutely desperate, he will fight for the holding role.
He needs to work on his distribution if that's where he sees himself playing IMHO. Too many loose passes in the Hartlepool game as an example.
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I notice DF has shifted 3 youngsters out on loan, including Fielding, Walker and Jones. Is he making room for another incoming?
I wouldn't read too much into that. Probably just the fact that he has a strong 18 available now.
No point keeping the youngsters sat in the stands every game when they can go play football.
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I thought we were having a reserve side this season?
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I thought Fielding did OK on loan last season. Why isn't he at a higher level?
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I thought Fielding did OK on loan last season. Why isn't he at a higher level?
I thought that..seems quite a low level to be playing at.
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I thought Fielding did OK on loan last season. Why isn't he at a higher level?
I thought that..seems quite a low level to be playing at.
Would higher placed teams be willing to guarantee starting positions for these young lads, probably not.
COYR
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Nobody should be a guaranteed a starting place anywhere
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All three are on initial loans of month, the reserve league, the Central league, does not start until September so he might bring them back for then.
About the level they are playing it's about which teams want them, they are young players.
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Why spoil what we've got? Butler and Baudry (when fit have the experience.) Wright is proving to be good enough and then we have Luke and Craig who know this league well enough. Save the money and bring in Houghton imo 😀👍
Alcock isn't good enough, he's not played well for 12 months. Luke isn't fit and when he is fit he will only play centre half now if we are absolutely desperate, he will fight for the holding role.
He needs to work on his distribution if that's where he sees himself playing IMHO. Too many loose passes in the Hartlepool game as an example.
TBF Luke had had four very good games prior to Hartlepool.
Fans had rated his performances highly.
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People remember the odd bad performance over the many very good ones?
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Some do, yes..
I thought Luke had slotted back into the team very well after his injury, like he had never been missing.. any player can have a poor game..
I have been saying for ages that Luke will make an outstanding defensive midfielder..
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I'm tipping Wright to be a bit of a star this season...He was terribly unlucky not to get much of a chance last season even Ferguson said that, as he didn't let us down when called upon,he didn't throw his toys out the pram he just worked hard waiting for a chance...Give him a run in the team and chance to get a good understanding going and he will feel like a new signing for us..
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Joe will be a £2 million defender in 2 years the next mat mills for us I believe keep up the good work son
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Nobody should be a guaranteed a starting place anywhere
Unless of course it's part of the loan agreement😉
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McCullough was brilliant at Grimsby, ran the show in a 5-1 win and this was immediately after coming back from almost the full year out with a very bad knee injury. He was excellent in every game until the Hartlepool match which Fergie said immediately afterwards was a game too far for him and he took the blame for selecting him when he shouldn't have.
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Nobody should be a guaranteed a starting place anywhere
Unless of course it's part of the loan agreement😉
That's what I mean, agreements shouldn't be made like that.
Ferguson won't sign anyone that stipulates a guaranteed starting place.
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There is a question about Baudrys and McCulloughs injury record with either the same Achilles and Knee being injured again. Will they come back fully fit, will they have same problems weeks into the season.
So I believe we need another central defender and if we can Houghton back. We don't need the defender or Houghton to come in with stipulations they must play. Wright and Butler at moment are playing well. But any injury to them would leave us short.
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STEVE, I may be wrong but i feel sure that when Luke was injured DF said it was a different injury to the one he had last season.
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Nobody should be a guaranteed a starting place anywhere
Unless of course it's part of the loan agreement😉
That's what I mean, agreements shouldn't be made like that.
Ferguson won't sign anyone that stipulates a guaranteed starting place.
Are you sure about that?
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He's said it himself.
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Strange how he persisted in playing Calder and Grant even though they weren't performing very well, Mason and Houghton played well so deserved to be picked each week but I still have my doubts DF says a lot of things sometimes which turn out to be not quite the truth
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Unless he has learned his lesson with those two.
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Strange how he persisted in playing Calder and Grant even though they weren't performing very well, Mason and Houghton played well so deserved to be picked each week but I still have my doubts DF says a lot of things sometimes which turn out to be not quite the truth
Calder and grant were on the bench numerous times
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On month long loans then there's likely to be clauses about the loanee playing every game but, that's unlikely for longer term loans like Whiteman's and Kongolo's.
As for Wright, he looks as though he has improved however, he's got a little way to go yet in experience to be the dominant centre half. The signs are good though.
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Strange how he persisted in playing Calder and Grant even though they weren't performing very well, Mason and Houghton played well so deserved to be picked each week but I still have my doubts DF says a lot of things sometimes which turn out to be not quite the truth
Calder and grant were on the bench numerous times
Agreed, but mainly towards the end of their loan period when it was obvious we weren't going to extend
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I saw an interview with Harry Redknapp recently and he was talking about loans. Apparently a lot of clubs do insist on the players getting a game and the penalty for not starting them is a doubling of the weekly contribution. Scary thought if true.
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Back on topic, the Daily Star today has a piece with DF saying he is puzzled why some fans were doubting Andy Butlers capability to do the business in L1 and that he is cooling his chase for a new CB.
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Back on topic, the Daily Star today has a piece with DF saying he is puzzled why some fans were doubting Andy Butlers capability to do the business in L1 and that he is cooling his chase for a new CB.
Why was he looking for another one then, he either thought Butler or Wright weren't up to it and he thinks he's been proven wrong.
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Butler was shocking last time in league one so you can't blame fans doubting, it's natural.
However he's come back in unreal shape and has started well by all accounts (iv only been Gillingham game) so fair play to him.
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I don't want a new CB because of a slight on Wright or Butler, but if one of them gets injured we're in trouble. We've got no depth at Centre Back.
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Back on topic, the Daily Star today has a piece with DF saying he is puzzled why some fans were doubting Andy Butlers capability to do the business in L1 and that he is cooling his chase for a new CB.
Why was he looking for another one then, he either thought Butler or Wright weren't up to it and he thinks he's been proven wrong.
I think the latter is the truth.
Anyone who thinks Andy was shocking in L1 should also consider that he was playing in a system that, in the main, didn't suit the players we had at that time.
He is always better in a four.
He will prove a lot of doubters wrong this season.
Also, don't forget that Baudry is back soon.
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We're going found in circles with this. We know Bawdry and McCullough are both supposed to be back fairly soon. What none of us know is whether either of them or both are going to come back and be fit and well. You're assuming they are and we all hope they are, but......
Also, we have 3 tough games next week and the one part of the team where we can't rest anyone is at cb. Go figure.
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We have historically not been blessed with good luck where defenders are concerned, you've only got look at Jones who until he came to Rovers didn't have day off and gets injured once and it was down hill from there on . We lost the same two defenders last season and we list Butler for the odd game . So I think one more would make sense , yet it seems unlikely perhaps due to constraints on the wage bill.
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We have historically not been blessed with good luck where defenders are concerned, you've only got look at Jones who until he came to Rovers didn't have day off and gets injured once and it was down hill from there on . We lost the same two defenders last season and we list Butler for the odd game . So I think one more would make sense , yet it seems unlikely perhaps due to constraints on the wage bill.
The money will still be there that we offered Taylor won't it?
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Back on topic, the Daily Star today has a piece with DF saying he is puzzled why some fans were doubting Andy Butlers capability to do the business in L1 and that he is cooling his chase for a new CB.
Why was he looking for another one then, he either thought Butler or Wright weren't up to it and he thinks he's been proven wrong.
Because he prefers playing 3 at the back?
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Butler was shocking last time in league one so you can't blame fans doubting, it's natural.
However he's come back in unreal shape and has started well by all accounts (iv only been Gillingham game) so fair play to him.
No one looked good that season. Confidence was gone.
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Yes that true it did look promising as well , yet he went elsewhere for MORE money .
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Yes that true it did look promising as well , yet he went elsewhere for MORE money .
So, do you think we should just pay whatever the player/agent asks for?
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No we should stick to a principle of getting the best for your money and were priced out on budget but that's what it has come down to . If we had signed him would the issue of what Rovers paid him be public knowledge, it only because we didn't sign him that our budget has become the issue . I think DF is doing a fantastic job of building without gambling with his budget .
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I'm happy with Butler, he's solid enough, rarely injured, a senior well respected figure and a great ambassador.
Of course, there will a time when we need to look for successors. Whether Joe Wright matures into his shoes time will tell. If, and a big if, we get up to the Championship then we may need quality in that department so we may need more than Butler, Wright & Baudry can offer.
We may look for a Matt Mills type all rounder, but they don't grow on trees.
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No we should stick to a principle of getting the best for your money and were priced out on budget but that's what it has come down to . If we had signed him would the issue of what Rovers paid him be public knowledge, it only because we didn't sign him that our budget has become the issue . I think DF is doing a fantastic job of building without gambling with his budget .
The problem isn't just public knowledge though is it. I would imagine that his team mates would know the region of his wage demands. They might then form a queue at DF's door wanting a rise or a move.
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That not what I said , I referred to the fact we only found out what his demands were, as the reason for why we didn't sign him and was out of our budget.