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Your obsession with how you think I think is leading you astray yet again BB. My point is that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Bogle and Williams have been a bad influence at the club. Yet several people on here have jumped to the conclusion that they must have been, in order to explain Wellens's decision.Regarding Wellens, I wanted him to succeed from the off, as of course I want every Rovers manager to succeed. But I had doubts about his suitability as should anyone who remembered him refusing to play for the club at the end of his time here. The way he spun that in his interview with Hoden about the Bogle situation set massive alarm bells ringing for me. He put himself forward as a decent old pro who had reached the end of the line and made the right decision for all concerned by leaving. He didn't mention the fact that a few weeks earlier, he had refused to play for the club, leading as straight a pro as Rob Jones to say that it was up to Wellens to decide if he wanted to play for the club, and to prove himself a positive influence. That was disingenuous at best and it did leave me massively questioning Wellens's credibility.As I say, I very much wanted him to be a resounding success. (Shouldn't really need to say that of course, but the way this place is these days...) But he wasn't. And given how things have planned out, I won't hide the fact I'm relieved he's gone and we can start afresh. Finally, I have no axe to grind for Bogle. He's a poor player. He just happens to be better than the alternatives that Wellens signed. As ever, I want the best for the Rovers, and I don't see how we are getting the best by playing kids who are several levels below the standard required, while excluding a player who, however limited, is better than them.Clear enough for you now?
Bogle and Wellens may well have had a fall out but now RW has gone there is a clean slate for OB and if he wants to, he can try to resurrect his career.For his and our sake, I hope he pulls it off.
Quote from: drfchound on December 06, 2021, 12:26:11 pmBogle and Wellens may well have had a fall out but now RW has gone there is a clean slate for OB and if he wants to, he can try to resurrect his career.For his and our sake, I hope he pulls it off.This. It really is all that needs to be said on the matter.
They were obviously sidelined to (in RWs mind) increase the chances of them leaving in January thus freeing up funds. I’m pretty sure he never said they were bad influences.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2021, 12:36:20 pmYour obsession with how you think I think is leading you astray yet again BB. My point is that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Bogle and Williams have been a bad influence at the club. Yet several people on here have jumped to the conclusion that they must have been, in order to explain Wellens's decision.Regarding Wellens, I wanted him to succeed from the off, as of course I want every Rovers manager to succeed. But I had doubts about his suitability as should anyone who remembered him refusing to play for the club at the end of his time here. The way he spun that in his interview with Hoden about the Bogle situation set massive alarm bells ringing for me. He put himself forward as a decent old pro who had reached the end of the line and made the right decision for all concerned by leaving. He didn't mention the fact that a few weeks earlier, he had refused to play for the club, leading as straight a pro as Rob Jones to say that it was up to Wellens to decide if he wanted to play for the club, and to prove himself a positive influence. That was disingenuous at best and it did leave me massively questioning Wellens's credibility.As I say, I very much wanted him to be a resounding success. (Shouldn't really need to say that of course, but the way this place is these days...) But he wasn't. And given how things have planned out, I won't hide the fact I'm relieved he's gone and we can start afresh. Finally, I have no axe to grind for Bogle. He's a poor player. He just happens to be better than the alternatives that Wellens signed. As ever, I want the best for the Rovers, and I don't see how we are getting the best by playing kids who are several levels below the standard required, while excluding a player who, however limited, is better than them.Clear enough for you now?BST, anyone who suggested Bogle and Williams was a bad influence would surely have considered how daft it would have been to put such players with the youngsters. As I understand it with the information I've read, is that Bogle was put in with the youngsters because he didn't follow playing instructions. Maybe he wasn't capable of following them, I don't know, but I came to the conclusion he was removed from the first-team squad because he was detrimental to its progress.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2021, 12:58:54 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2021, 12:36:20 pmYour obsession with how you think I think is leading you astray yet again BB. My point is that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Bogle and Williams have been a bad influence at the club. Yet several people on here have jumped to the conclusion that they must have been, in order to explain Wellens's decision.Regarding Wellens, I wanted him to succeed from the off, as of course I want every Rovers manager to succeed. But I had doubts about his suitability as should anyone who remembered him refusing to play for the club at the end of his time here. The way he spun that in his interview with Hoden about the Bogle situation set massive alarm bells ringing for me. He put himself forward as a decent old pro who had reached the end of the line and made the right decision for all concerned by leaving. He didn't mention the fact that a few weeks earlier, he had refused to play for the club, leading as straight a pro as Rob Jones to say that it was up to Wellens to decide if he wanted to play for the club, and to prove himself a positive influence. That was disingenuous at best and it did leave me massively questioning Wellens's credibility.As I say, I very much wanted him to be a resounding success. (Shouldn't really need to say that of course, but the way this place is these days...) But he wasn't. And given how things have planned out, I won't hide the fact I'm relieved he's gone and we can start afresh. Finally, I have no axe to grind for Bogle. He's a poor player. He just happens to be better than the alternatives that Wellens signed. As ever, I want the best for the Rovers, and I don't see how we are getting the best by playing kids who are several levels below the standard required, while excluding a player who, however limited, is better than them.Clear enough for you now?BST, anyone who suggested Bogle and Williams was a bad influence would surely have considered how daft it would have been to put such players with the youngsters. As I understand it with the information I've read, is that Bogle was put in with the youngsters because he didn't follow playing instructions. Maybe he wasn't capable of following them, I don't know, but I came to the conclusion he was removed from the first-team squad because he was detrimental to its progress.BB. That's fine. You're perfectly at liberty to come to whatever conclusion you wish. My point was that SOME people in here (not you) had been assuming the two were bad influences. And according to McSheffrey, they haven't been.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2021, 12:36:20 pmYour obsession with how you think I think is leading you astray yet again BB. My point is that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Bogle and Williams have been a bad influence at the club. Yet several people on here have jumped to the conclusion that they must have been, in order to explain Wellens's decision.Regarding Wellens, I wanted him to succeed from the off, as of course I want every Rovers manager to succeed. But I had doubts about his suitability as should anyone who remembered him refusing to play for the club at the end of his time here. The way he spun that in his interview with Hoden about the Bogle situation set massive alarm bells ringing for me. He put himself forward as a decent old pro who had reached the end of the line and made the right decision for all concerned by leaving. He didn't mention the fact that a few weeks earlier, he had refused to play for the club, leading as straight a pro as Rob Jones to say that it was up to Wellens to decide if he wanted to play for the club, and to prove himself a positive influence. That was disingenuous at best and it did leave me massively questioning Wellens's credibility.As I say, I very much wanted him to be a resounding success. (Shouldn't really need to say that of course, but the way this place is these days...) But he wasn't. And given how things have planned out, I won't hide the fact I'm relieved he's gone and we can start afresh. Finally, I have no axe to grind for Bogle. He's a poor player. He just happens to be better than the alternatives that Wellens signed. As ever, I want the best for the Rovers, and I don't see how we are getting the best by playing kids who are several levels below the standard required, while excluding a player who, however limited, is better than them.Clear enough for you now?BST, anyone who suggested Bogle and Williams was a bad influence would surely have considered how daft it would have been to put such players with the youngsters. As I understand it with the information I've read, is that Bogle was put in with the youngsters because he didn't follow playing instructions. Maybe he wasn't capable of following them, I don't know, but I came to the conclusion he was removed from the first-team squad because he was detrimental to its progress.
Your obsession with how you think I think is leading you astray yet again BB. My point is that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Bogle and Williams have been a bad influence at the club. Yet several people on here have jumped to the conclusion that they must have been, in order to explain Wellens's decision.Regarding Wellens, I wanted him to succeed from the off, as of course I want every Rovers manager to succeed. But I had doubts about his suitability as should anyone who remembered him refusing to play for the club at the end of his time here. The way he spun that in his interview with Hoden about the Bogle situation set massive alarm bells ringing for me. He put himself forward as a decent old pro who had reached the end of the line and made the right decision for all concerned by leaving. He didn't mention the fact that a few weeks earlier, he had refused to play for the club, leading as straight a pro as Rob Jones to say that it was up to Wellens to decide if he wanted to play for the club, and to prove himself a positive influence. That was disingenuous at best and it did leave me massively questioning Wellens's credibility.As I say, I very much wanted him to be a resounding success. (Shouldn't really need to say that of course, but the way this place is these days...) But he wasn't. And given how things have planned out, I won't hide the fact I'm relieved he's gone and we can start afresh. Finally, I have no axe to grind for Bogle. He's a poor player. He just happens to be better than the alternatives that Wellens signed. As ever, I want the best for the Rovers, and I don't see how we are getting the best by playing kids who are several levels below the standard required, while excluding a player who, however limited, is better than them.Clear enough for you now?
I’ll be honest I don’t remember people claiming they were bad influences either, but it’s obviously struck a chord somewhere so maybe best to find examples / name who it was to nip this in the bud. For my part, I remember criticising Bogle’s social media content where he appeared to be making light of his ‘exile’ and the club that pays his wages. And I certainly backed the manager over two players that have produced almost nothing for us in their careers to date. However the manager is gone now, and if the new manager wants to bring them back into fold then he (and by default they) will get my support.
Under three managers Williams as never got a start. So let’s see he can get a start now while he’s here.
And what will be the reaction of the fans if bogle misses a sitter