No Brexit Extension

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm sure that the percentage of voters wanting a no deal BREXIT would be a lot smaller than the one wanting a deal or remain.

if people wanted to remain thou there was a general election with parties that stated they would have a second referendum they could have voted them parties, most people will have presumed it would possibly head towards a no deal brexit

Bpool.

As I said earlier, people DID vote for those parties in the General Election. By a majority of 52-46.

[bpoolrover]

Bst it does not work like that as well you no, the point is everyone could have voted all labour as the Lib Dem’s never had a hope, but they didn’t and the people that voted brexit and didn’t no what they voted for still voted Tory

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right.

So people could have voted for parties that wanted a second referendum. But when they did, it doesn't count.

Whereas when people voted for Brexit after being told repeatedly that a No Deal Brexit wasn't on the cards, that is a sacrosanct vote that justifies a No Deal Brexit.

Have I got your logic right?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn why do you have to insult anyone that has a different view to you? Why say it’s waffle?

Because it says exactly the same as the last time he posted, ignores the issues and accuses others of doing exactly what he's doing himself.

As to why it's waffle, it seems to fit this description perfectly:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/waffle

[bpoolrover]

Maybe just try be nice to someone anyone in fact once you might like it

[Glyn_Wigley]

Maybe just try be nice to someone anyone in fact once you might like it

Calling it waffle when it fits the description isn't an insult. While we're on the subject of insults, what do you make of people being called racist?

[bpoolrover]

Depends on the circumstances

[Glyn_Wigley]

Depends on the circumstances

Read the post that you objected to me calling waffle (without it seems having read it for yourself before objecting to me calling it waffle) and you'll see the context.

[tyke1962]

Let's be clear the referendum was called because the very person that called it thought it was in the bag I take it the majority of people would accept that as a reasonable thing to say because he most certainly wouldn't have called it if there was a danger of his Pro EU stance losing .

This played out in his insipid campaign that failed to win the argument , it's a reasonable thing to say because he lost and as a consequence had to vacate the leader of the entire country .

Not only that even the Leave Campaign didn't really believe they could win , Farage couldn't get out of Dodge quick enough and the rest of em had a " feckin hell what now attitude " , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So what we get next is a Remainer who suddenly has the task of taking the UK out of the EU even though she doesn't really believe in it , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So she tests the water once again and thinks well if I have to deliver this thing I want the endorsement of the electorate to do it , even though the stupid cow already had a majority .

She's that fecking good and credible she loses her majority to a left wing leader who spent the majority of his parliamentary career sat on the backbenchers and protesting about absolutely everything , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So what occurs from then on is total parliamentary gridlock , absolutely nothing gets agreed for the next two years because said stupid cow threw her majority away , it's a reasonable thing to say .

It then takes a political chancer with a record in office of total abject incompetence to actually take the country finally out of the EU with a deal that could easily have been agreed at least two years earlier , it's a reasonable thing to say .

And yet it's the people who voted to leave in 2016 who are to blame in some quarters .

You couldn't fecking make it up .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Let's be clear the referendum was called because the very person that called it thought it was in the bag I take it the majority of people would accept that as a reasonable thing to say because he most certainly wouldn't have called it if there was a danger of his Pro EU stance losing .

This played out in his insipid campaign that failed to win the argument , it's a reasonable thing to say because he lost and as a consequence had to vacate the leader of the entire country .

Not only that even the Leave Campaign didn't really believe they could win , Farage couldn't get out of Dodge quick enough and the rest of em had a " feckin hell what now attitude " , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So what we get next is a Remainer who suddenly has the task of taking the UK out of the EU even though she doesn't really believe in it , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So she tests the water once again and thinks well if I have to deliver this thing I want the endorsement of the electorate to do it , even though the stupid cow already had a majority .

She's that fecking good and credible she loses her majority to a left wing leader who spent the majority of his parliamentary career sat on the backbenchers and protesting about absolutely everything , it's a reasonable thing to say .

So what occurs from then on is total parliamentary gridlock , absolutely nothing gets agreed for the next two years because said stupid cow threw her majority away , it's a reasonable thing to say .

It then takes a political chancer with a record in office of total abject incompetence to actually take the country finally out of the EU with a deal that could easily have been agreed at least two years earlier , it's a reasonable thing to say .

And yet it's the people who voted to leave in 2016 who are to blame in some quarters .

You couldn't fecking make it up .

They're the ones who (the more vocal among them) kept claiming that they 'won' and how the rest of us should suck it up. Are you trying to say that the resultant chaos is absolutely nothing to do with them? If the fallout is so horrendous, should they have voted differently instead of enabling it to happen?

[Donnywolf]

I still think the worst group of people were not the Remain voters nor the Leave voters (apolitical again there) but the nearly 13 million people who could have voted but did not even bother

In addition there were 18 million others classed as "not on the Electoral Register"

[selby]

  Wolfie, some just have to have something or someone to hate, and just make a noise.

[SydneyRover]

I'll be glad when the football starts your posts on that subject are much better selby.

[IDM]

  Wolfie, some just have to have something or someone to hate, and just make a noise.

Yes you do, don’t you.

Some of us feel it is important to speak up against that noise.

[selby]

 Thanks Syd, not a complete dullard then?

[SydneyRover]

 

[Not Now Kato]

Let's be clear the referendum was called because the very person that called it thought it was in the bag I take it the majority of people would accept that as a reasonable thing to say because he most certainly wouldn't have called it if there was a danger of his Pro EU stance losing .

No. The referendum was called by Cameron in an attempt to put down the far right wing of the Tory Party, neither more nor less.

This played out in his insipid campaign that failed to win the argument , it's a reasonable thing to say because he lost and as a consequence had to vacate the leader of the entire country .

No. This played out because people were hoodwinked by a series of lies and promises that could never be delivered by the people suggesting them, as they were not a political party with any power to do so.  How people failed to see this is this is beyond me.

Not only that even the Leave Campaign didn't really believe they could win , Farage couldn't get out of Dodge quick enough and the rest of em had a " feckin hell what now attitude " , it's a reasonable thing to say .

No.  The exit poles clearly indicated a leave victory.  What Farage did was a stunt - some believe to influence betting prices.

So what we get next is a Remainer who suddenly has the task of taking the UK out of the EU even though she doesn't really believe in it , it's a reasonable thing to say .

Yes.

So she tests the water once again and thinks well if I have to deliver this thing I want the endorsement of the electorate to do it , even though the stupid cow already had a majority .

She's that fecking good and credible she loses her majority to a left wing leader who spent the majority of his parliamentary career sat on the backbenchers and protesting about absolutely everything , it's a reasonable thing to say .

You missed the bit where she bribed, at taxpayers expense, the DUP to take her side in parliamentary votes and keep her in office.  But otherwise, Yes.

So what occurs from then on is total parliamentary gridlock , absolutely nothing gets agreed for the next two years because said stupid cow threw her majority away , it's a reasonable thing to say .

No. What happened then was the far right wing of the Tory party blocked any possible progress, even progress that would have removed the possibility of a No-Deal Brexit, leading to the very thing Cameron was trying to avoid in the first place!

It then takes a political chancer with a record in office of total abject incompetence to actually take the country finally out of the EU with a deal that could easily have been agreed at least two years earlier , it's a reasonable thing to say .

You missed the bit where the deal Johnson got was significantly worse for the country than the one achieved by May due to the far right of the Tory party looking to feather own and their friends nests.  Other than that, Yes.

And yet it's the people who voted to leave in 2016 who are to blame in some quarters .

It is quite clear, and always has been, that leave voters in the main hadn't got a clue what they were actually voting for as there was never one leave option on the table in the first place.  So, yes, anyone who votes for something whilst not knowing what they were voting for is definitely to blame.  They had the opportunity to re-examine this but chose not to even though they still didn't know what they would be getting!  How can they not be blamed?

You couldn't fecking make it up .

I'm not.  But leavers continue to do so by looking for excuses to blame anyone and everyone for their own mistakes!

[BillyStubbsTears]

NNK.

Accurately put. Especially the part about how it was the very people who pushed for Brexit, who then blocked May's deal. Done precisely to bring her down.

And that is the key. Because Brexit was never, ever about our relationship with Europe. It was only ever about a small group of people on the far right wanting to take over the Tory party and move it further to the right than it has been in our lifetimes.

The fact that socialists like Tyke have been complicit in that and don't see it is just gobsmacking.

[selby]

Tyke, Meet the gang cos the gangs all here the gang to entertain you. Probably not them all the noise will follow.

[Not Now Kato]

Tyke, Meet the gang cos the gangs all here the gang to entertain you. Probably not them all the noise will follow.

I'm not sure what medication you're on selby, but if I were you I'd be back to the doctors quickly to get it changed.  And I'm being serious.

[ravenrover]

I read this morning that the BofE is telling lenders to prepare for No Deal

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just for the record one more time, in case anyone has any touchingly naive thoughts that Brexit was about the principle of democracy, the process went like this.

1) We voted for Brexit, having been told that it gave us a chance to have a relationship with the EU like Norway and Switzerland.

2) May then negotiated a deal that would have put us in a position that was much more distanced from the EU than either Norway or Switzerland.

3) Johnson resigned from Govt saying he couldn't support that deal.

4) The far right of the Tory party screamed that May's deal was so weak, we might as well have stayed in. They called it "A betrayal of the Will of the People."

5) The far right of the Tory party voted against May's deal and brought her down.

6)Johnson became PM.

7) Johnson agreed a deal with the EU that was pretty much identical to May's in everything apart from the relationship with Ireland, where he agreed to a customs border between GB and NI.

8) We left the EU.

9) It's all the fault of Remainers. Everything.

[ravenrover]

Johnson resigned from Govt don't you mean he was sacked?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. For once, he left a job through choice, not after being sacked for being caught lying. Hard to believe, I know, but it's true.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44771278/boris-johnson-resigns-as-foreign-secretary

[BillyStubbsTears]

My apologies. I forgot bullet point 7a)

7a) We had a General Election that was all about Brexit. The result was that 52% of votes were casts for parties who wanted a second referendum and 46% cast for parties who wanted us to leave straightaway.

[selby]

Still lost again though Billy, you had better stop staring continuously at those figures, they don't count or even count for much that is unless you are a dreamer.

[Iberian Red]

Selby.

You come across as a racist old kitson.
 
Maybe you arent,maybe.

Have you ever been yo Romania?

 I have. I've seen more horse and carts up and down the (A19 Selby Road) than you have seen in Romania. Get you head out the window,or your arse,both would help you to learn a little bit about the outside world.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Selby.

You come across as a racist old kitson.
 
Maybe you arent,maybe.

Have you ever been yo Romania?

 I have. I've seen more horse and carts up and down the (A19 Selby Road) than you have seen in Romania. Get you head out the window,or your arse,both would help you to learn a little bit about the outside world.

Watch out! You know more than he does so you're going to get called part of the liberal elite, just so that he can ignore what you're saying with impugnity.

[Iberian Red]

I know.
I'm so looking forward to Sunday when when Trump wants to declare Antifa terrorist  a organisation!!
I when we played Rotherscum in 84,the NF all over the place. Rangers shirts everywhere you looked. British Bulldog sold in the car park at old BV
I'm at home now.
Then I remember trying it in town,they got battered.
I was proud that day of how they got ran out of Doncaster.

[selby]

  Yep, liberal elite, holier than thou, educated idiots , take your pick