No Brexit Extension

[drfchound]

Wilts, as I am sure you will be aware, anyone who has to make a decision which affects lots of people isn’t able to please all of them.

[wilts rover]

We are agreed then hound.

I am sure we also agree that people who take unpopular decisions tend to become unpopular with the people who don't like that decision.

And that history shows us there is always someone willing to take advantage of that.

[selby]

  Reported 5 hours ago Kato Merkel is reported in a major speech that she will work to the end of the year to deliver a FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. 

[wilts rover]

  Reported 5 hours ago Kato Merkel is reported in a major speech that she will work to the end of the year to deliver a FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. 

in which she also said there had been little progress so far and to prepare for No Deal.

Still Boris said he would get a deal so what's the problem - by the end of this month if my memory serves me correctly.

  Well the Irish are tipping an agreement in late October. their hope against hope.

Merkel is saying there has been slim progress and telling the EU to prepare for No Deal.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-merkel/germanys-merkel-says-eu-must-prepare-for-no-deal-brexit-idUKKBN2491WX

Remember her. She is the person you said would be pushing for a deal last time:

Well it looks like it is kicking off over  there in La La land, Varadkar coming into trouble with the greens who are themselves coming in for trouble with the farmers who need a Brexit agreement to protect their largest market.
  Merkel is considering sidelining Barnier to push for an agreement, and no fiscal agreement with the frugal four and the German courts dead set on not continually bailing out their med friends.

[selby]

 Wilts, I would say that preparing for a no deal is proactive in the EU's case, as that is now the threat that they face, and have been told so by our Prime Minister.
  Up to a fortnight ago Barnier himself said that the EU was open to an extension to the negotiation period, I don't think he thought his statement would land on stony ground like it did.
   The date has now passed for that to happen so the only things on offer are a deal or no deal, and his reputation as a negotiator is on the line now, he will be a hero with a deal accepted by both parties or a complete failure.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wilts, I would say that preparing for a no deal is proactive in the EU's case, as that is now the threat that they face, and have been told so by our Prime Minister.
  Up to a fortnight ago Barnier himself said that the EU was open to an extension to the negotiation period, I don't think he thought his statement would land on stony ground like it did.
   The date has now passed for that to happen so the only things on offer are a deal or no deal, and his reputation as a negotiator is on the line now, he will be a hero with a deal accepted by both parties or a complete failure.

The threat THEY face?

I've just spat my coffee out on that one Selby.

The threat they face is that we are about to pull the trigger on that gun that we shoved in our mouth 4 years back, and they are going to get covered in blood and bits of bone.

[selby]

That was going to happen the day after the vote Billy, so it could be the the second time you experts could be wrong, or fifth if you count elections and referendums.

[wilts rover]

Yes agreed selby.

Johnson has said he will get a deal so there is nothing to worry about.

Although he did say it was oven ready back in December so why they need so many rounds of talks to turn the oven on, I have no idea...

[wilts rover]

Liz Truss warns Johnson over new border plans.

(checks date on calendar to make sure it isn't April 1st)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/08/liz-truss-warns-boris-johnson-over-brexit-border-plans

[BillyStubbsTears]

That was going to happen the day after the vote Billy, so it could be the the second time you experts could be wrong, or fifth if you count elections and referendums.

If I had a scooby what you were on about, I'd reply.

Are you suggesting that we didn't get a huge economic hit (as predicted) immediately after the 2016 vote?

Only, our GDP growth rate fell by about 1.5% from 2016-2018, while that of the rest of the EU went up by about 2%. Overall, because of our woeful economic performance since 2016, our wealth has fallen by about £200bn in the past 4 years compared to what it would have been if we'd matched the performance of Europe.

That's a hell of a lot of £350m/week (sic) savings already pissed away.

What was the point you were making?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Liz Truss warns Johnson over new border plans.

(checks date on calendar to make sure it isn't April 1st)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/08/liz-truss-warns-boris-johnson-over-brexit-border-plans

Gove unveiled the new border Brexit regime last month for traders, announcing that customs and health checks required for goods imported from the EU would not be imposed immediately and instead be phased in over six months.

But Truss warns the “staged approach” would “be vulnerable” to legal challenge by the World Trade Organization which could object to goods coming in from the EU being treated differently to goods coming in from elsewhere which are already subject to tariffs and quotas.

Christ, it's like being in a Kafka-themed shit sitcom.

Some of us were pointing out precisely this issue 2 years ago. Suddenly this shit shower discover it, with 5 months left until "Jump Off the f**king Cliff Day".

[Not Now Kato]

Wilts, I would say that preparing for a no deal is proactive in the EU's case, as that is now the threat that they face, and have been told so by our Prime Minister.
  Up to a fortnight ago Barnier himself said that the EU was open to an extension to the negotiation period, I don't think he thought his statement would land on stony ground like it did.
   The date has now passed for that to happen so the only things on offer are a deal or no deal, and his reputation as a negotiator is on the line now, he will be a hero with a deal accepted by both parties or a complete failure.

Actually selby....
 

Brussels has warned UK nationals to prepare for “thorough checks” at EU borders and the loss of rights such as free movement for pets and automatic recognition of driving licences, in a stark warning of Brexit’s ramifications.


On the same day that Michel Barnier, the EU’s Brexit negotiator, said “significant divergences” remained in Brussels’ future-relationship talks with Britain, the European Commission on Thursday issued a policy paper warning of “far reaching and automatic changes” regardless of the outcome of the negotiations.


The paper, published to help companies and citizens prepare for the end of Britain’s transition period on December 31, reflects Mr Barnier’s repeated warnings that the UK cannot “cherry pick” the benefits of the single market in a future trade deal.


Brussels also underlined that it would not mirror the UK’s intended policy of showing leniency when it comes to customs formalities in the months after the transition ends, telling businesses to prepare for a full suite of checks and “inevitable disruptions”.


“There is no room for complacency or postponing readiness and adaptation measures in anticipation that an agreement would ensure continuity,” the paper says. “If not yet done, public administrations, businesses and citizens in the Union must urgently take all the necessary readiness measures.”

Oh, and unlike you I provide the source....
 
https://www.ft.com/content/a14c0379-27bc-4734-a770-fc52452b19ff
 

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Single Market is All Or Nothing. It always has been, from it's creation 28 years ago to now. It is non-negotiable and that has been known and told to everybody by the EU before the referendum, during the referendum and since the referendum. Selby and his like can stamp their little feet and make their face go gammon-purple in a fit of pique as much as they want to, it ain't going to alter that single immutable fact one jot.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Single Market is All Or Nothing. It always has been, from it's creation 28 years ago to now. It is non-negotiable and that has been known and told to everybody by the EU before the referendum, during the referendum and since the referendum. Selby and his like can stamp their little feet and make their face go gammon-purple in a fit of pique as much as they want to, it ain't going to alter that single immutable fact one jot.

Bang on.

That's the bit that Leave supporters have never got.

In negotiations, you have to understand what are the non-negotiable red lines of the other side. In this case, it's been perfectly clear from the start that the EU prioritises the coherence and sustainability of the Single Market over any trade issues with the UK. They simply will not give us a deal that allows us to have the benefits of the SM without the responsibilities. Because if they do, why should every other country in the SM abide by the responsibilities?

Understand that, and all the nonsense about VW marching into Merkel's office and ordering her to give the UK a preferential deal is clearly piss and wind.

[selby]

  Selby and his like, and gammon purple, you knob, who the hell do you racial sanctimonious self centred  toss pot think you are, supporting a club that have openly said they want to punish your country by treating them different to other countries because of their geographical position on Earth and wanting to leave the club.
  Every thing about their stance is racial against the UK, something most of you are against when it comes to the treatment of coloured people rightly so.  But defend an institution that is quite willing to treat Basques in Spain, UK citizens, differently, turn a blind eye to the treatment of transgender communities in their Eastern States, whose armed forces stood back and let thousands of Muslims be murdered in front of them in Serbia and only took action years later,  Greece putting immigrants in rafts and towing them into open waters.
  And you preach standards and laws, open your eyes it is you who are racial and ageist against your own people for having a different opinion to your self which has gobbled up the propaganda  a ponsi club have pedaled  for fifty years.

[selby]

  IT's bang on alright, it shows just how frightened they are of open competition, how protectionist, they are and how they are frightened of losing that control over us.
  And repeat, how racial they are when it suits their agenda.  It is the biggest ponsi scheme ever put into operation.

[selby]

  That is where you are wrong Billy, after four years the UK government have got it, and it is the EU negotiators who are not getting the new B******S to that reply.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Selby and his like, and gammon purple, you knob, who the hell do you racial sanctimonious self centred  toss pot think you are, supporting a club that have openly said they want to punish your country by treating them different to other countries because of their geographical position on Earth and wanting to leave the club.
  Every thing about their stance is racial against the UK, something most of you are against when it comes to the treatment of coloured people rightly so.  But defend an institution that is quite willing to treat Basques in Spain, UK citizens, differently, turn a blind eye to the treatment of transgender communities in their Eastern States, whose armed forces stood back and let thousands of Muslims be murdered in front of them in Serbia and only took action years later,  Greece putting immigrants in rafts and towing them into open waters.
  And you preach standards and laws, open your eyes it is you who are racial and ageist against your own people for having a different opinion to your self which has gobbled up the propaganda  a ponsi club have pedaled  for fifty years.

I think I'm the person who's read your posts and knows exactly what you are from them. That's what.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  IT's bang on alright, it shows just how frightened they are of open competition, how protectionist, they are and how they are frightened of losing that control over us.
  And repeat, how racial they are when it suits their agenda.  It is the biggest ponsi scheme ever put into operation.

Frightened of open competition??? Jesus Christ, what the bloody hell do you think the Single Market is BUT open competition!!! And it's YOU that's wanting out of it, not them chucking us out.

[selby]

  Glyn, I am surprised you are capable of thinking so deeply. You don't strike me as that sort.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Glyn, I am surprised you are capable of thinking so deeply. You don't strike me as that sort.

I'd be amazed if anything struck you.

[selby]

  Wear it like a medal buddy.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yeah, I like to keep my twenty years as an International Trade specialist with Customs well hidden just to keep you in the dark so you can carry on creating fatuous fantasies about the EU to entertain us all with.

[Not Now Kato]

Jeeez selby, what a melt down!  I think you need to take a rest mate.

[selby]

Can you walk on water as well? Or did you develop the holier than thou attitude while you were there.
 Kato. the test match is boring, have cashed in for the day so thought I would talk to a few friends.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Can you walk on water as well? Or did you develop the holier than thou attitude while you were there.
 

Nah, I copied it from the way you post about how you know about the EU so much better than everybody else. If you're going to steal, steal from the best.

[selby]

  I am glad you think so highly of yourself, I suppose somebody has to. I bet you wash the dishes for your lass the best as well.

[Not Now Kato]

Can you walk on water as well? Or did you develop the holier than thou attitude while you were there.
 Kato. the test match is boring, have cashed in for the day so thought I would talk to a few friends.

No, I can't walk on water selby.  But I do have a video of you doing back flips though.... 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[scawsby steve]

Hahahahaha.

[selby]

  Well I will give you that one, but isn't he a young un likely to have voted to remain dumpling.