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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Lesonthewest on January 03, 2022, 12:39:13 am
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On a bleak day, his interview cheered me up. Minutes on the training pitch, covid, consistency, 4 defenders out, close to signings but could be far away, minutes on the training pitch again, Sheffield Wendy! yada yada
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
I wouldn’t, no way
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His sides are organised, probably too much. If he just let the attacking players go a bit he would get more results.
He does talk a lot of rubbish in interviews, very cagey guy.
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He’s got Plymouth, Oxford and Ipswich up next. Could quite feasible lose all those. Suspect he may be out of a job if so.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
After the mess he left?
Think again.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
Yeah, he could play a villain that visits his mate Greengrass in Aidensfield.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
No way,
Lots of our current issues are down to him
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Will eventually be managing Solihull Moors or lower, him, cash and responsibility are anathema to each other.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Absolutely agree with that.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
After the mess he left?
Think again.
How much of that mess was his fault? And how much was him making the most of a reduced covid budget?
Ok, man's a turncoat and on a character level suspect but we were the best team in the league before his head got turned. The way he left stinks but he's an easy scapegoat for deeper problems imo.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
After the mess he left?
Think again.
How much of that mess was his fault? And how much was him making the most of a reduced covid budget?
Ok, man's a turncoat and on a character level suspect but we were the best team in the league before his head got turned. The way he left stinks but he's an easy scapegoat for deeper problems imo.
On that basis, Wednesday should be pissing the league then.
He's an odd one to me, when he first came in we played some excellent, high tempo footy. Then he seemed intent on putting the handbrake on, & sounds like he does the same over there.
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No way would I want to see him any where near Cantley Park again.
Left us high and dry at the first sniff of a bigger club job.
He is not a good manager. Decent coach maybe but he will not go far as a manager imo.
Am here to be proved wrong. We will see.
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He wasn’t exactly prolific at the training ground by all accounts, we were on the slippery slope before he actually left, whether this was due to his head being turned I guess we’ll never know.
I predict a future as a pundit for him, he fits the demographic well for Sky
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He wasn’t exactly prolific at the training ground by all accounts, we were on the slippery slope before he actually left, whether this was due to his head being turned I guess we’ll never know.
I predict a future as a pundit for him, he fits the demographic well for Sky
Except would you want to listen to him at half and full time.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
After the mess he left?
Think again.
How much of that mess was his fault? And how much was him making the most of a reduced covid budget?
Ok, man's a turncoat and on a character level suspect but we were the best team in the league before his head got turned. The way he left stinks but he's an easy scapegoat for deeper problems imo.
I think that's a fair observation given we know he was tapped up by Owls before their official approach and was giving Bostock assurances he was going nowhere. The timing of their approach couldn't have been worse but you have to wonder whether his head had indeed been turned and when the going got tough, he jumped.
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The reduced budget started in his reign.
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He wasn’t exactly prolific at the training ground by all accounts, we were on the slippery slope before he actually left, whether this was due to his head being turned I guess we’ll never know.
I predict a future as a pundit for him, he fits the demographic well for Sky
Except would you want to listen to him at half and full time.
Needs to brush up on his 'erms'
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The reduced budget started in his reign.
People forget so easily. When McCann was hired and we only signed two young kids on loan that summer, many fans went on about the club not spending enough money.
As it turned out, Wilks and Kane were all we needed to push on and take an unlikely Play-Off spot.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
You must be joking he systematically destroyed the excellent squad put together by Ferguson then McCann over an 18 month period by not signing players up to new contracts. His own permanent signings were largely very poor. His success was built on the back of the excellent back 4 he inherited plus Whiteman and yes his own excellent loan signings. The football, bar the odd lightening counter attack once every 10 minutes, was dreary as hell - all those continuous one-twos between centre halves and the keeper.
He's the reason we had to buy virtually a whole new squad in the summer - a difficult task putting us on the back foot for this season straight away. Yes a task which admittedly Richie Wellens and the club made a complete hash of but we shouldn't have been in that situation to start with - a fault largely at Moore's door.
Results may suggest otherwise but for me one of the worst manager's of DRFC in my lifetime.
Oh and of course as soon as his incompetence began to come back to bite him, he and is agent engineered a hasty exit leaving Rovers to try and manage his mess.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
You must be joking he systematically destroyed the excellent squad put together by Ferguson then McCann over an 18 month period by not signing players up to new contracts. His own permanent signings were largely very poor. His success was built on the back of the excellent back 4 he inherited plus Whiteman and yes his own excellent loan signings. The football, bar the odd lightening counter attack once every 10 minutes, was dreary as hell - all those continuous one-twos between centre halves and the keeper.
He's the reason we had to buy virtually a whole new squad in the summer - a difficult task putting us on the back foot for this season straight away. Yes a task which admittedly Richie Wellens and the club made a complete hash of but we shouldn't have been in that situation to start with - a fault largely at Moore's door.
Results may suggest otherwise but for me one of the worst manager's of DRFC in my lifetime.
Oh and of course as soon as his incompetence began to come back to bite him, he and is agent engineered a hasty exit leaving Rovers to try and manage his mess.
This made me think about who exactly Moore did sign permanently. Wow, it was bad.
Some of these granted were on short deals or non contract, but the non-loan signings were a real mixed bag:
Alex Baptiste
Devante Cole
Kwame Thomas
Rakish Bingham
Fejiri
Jason Lokilo
Bogle
Ed Williams
Cam John
Andy Butler
John Bostock
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
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The reduced budget started in his reign.
People forget so easily. When McCann was hired and we only signed two young kids on loan that summer, many fans went on about the club not spending enough money.
As it turned out, Wilks and Kane were all we needed to push on and take an unlikely Play-Off spot.
They do.
Ferguson left (in part) due to not having the budget he wanted. Saunders came in with 'the experiment'.
It's not the amount they had. It's that Moore (in Jan 2021) and Wellens spent the money they had badly. And Gary Mac is faced withe consequences of that.
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Strange I thought Ferguson left to look after his sick father
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Strange I thought Ferguson left to look after his sick father
AFAIK Ferguson has never said anything about the budgets being the reason he quit.
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The reduced budget started in his reign.
People forget so easily. When McCann was hired and we only signed two young kids on loan that summer, many fans went on about the club not spending enough money.
As it turned out, Wilks and Kane were all we needed to push on and take an unlikely Play-Off spot.
don’t want to be negative but we also brought in Jermaine Anderson as well as aaron lewis, tyler Smith and Paul Downing on loan that season. 3 out of the 6 loans that season were very good and made great contributions to the team, the other 3 didn’t work out. Hopefully we can replace the ones that haven’t worked out with players close to the ability of Kane and wilks this month.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
I’m not sure that you can pin the blame on the contracts running down on the manager. It may have been party his fault but particularly last season, we were told that delaying contract talks with those that were expiring “suited both parties” - that was after Moore had left the club.
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There is a poll on owls talk at the moment and 75% want him sacked.
And on an much sourer note, the admin on there is having to step,in to deal with racism direCited at Moore online. There was allegedly racis5 abuse hurled at him at Shrewsbury by his own supporters too. This from their forum admin
I've had to delete around (not exact number) 20 posts relating to his race in the last 24 hours
And about 5 relating to his religion
Then countless relating to his vocal tick
Have deleted three accounts on here for pure racism towards the manager in the last 24 hours
To say I've had my work cut out is an understatement
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There is a poll on owls talk at the moment and 75% want him sacked.
And on an much sourer note, the admin on there is having to step,in to deal with racism direCited at Moore online. There was allegedly racis5 abuse hurled at him at Shrewsbury by his own supporters too. This from their forum admin
I've had to delete around (not exact number) 20 posts relating to his race in the last 24 hours
And about 5 relating to his religion
Then countless relating to his vocal tick
Have deleted three accounts on here for pure racism towards the manager in the last 24 hours
To say I've had my work cut out is an understatement
Disgusting.
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I would not want him back because of his lack of loyalty.
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Interestingly , more want rid of Moore than they do chansiri. Not that he can be sacked of course. That speaks volume s.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
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I’m sure there would have been a clause in Whiteman’s contract that if an offer of £xx pounds was received or from a club in leagues above then he could go
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Any evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Any evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
Relative peanuts …please back that up how much did we sell him for
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Wasn't Whiteman going to leave in the Summer but the club managed to persuade him to stay on, on the basis that he could go in Jan if the right offer came in?
Or did I imagine that?
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Wasn't Whiteman going to leave in the Summer but the club managed to persuade him to stay on, on the basis that he could go in Jan if the right offer came in?
Or did I imagine that?
Yes that’s correct. He signed an extended contract to give us some financial bargaining power.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Any evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
Relative peanuts …please back that up how much did we sell him for
It was widely rumoured that the fee was around 1.5 to 1.6 million; Sheffield United self reported having a sell on clause; take into account we paid a six figure fee for him how much do you think the club made out of that transfer?
Now take into account the fact that this contributed to us not getting promoted, the lost revenue and everything else that has happened since. How much do you reckon that deal actually cost us in financial terms and status? It was, whichever way you look at it, peanuts for a player of his ilk and with that long left on his contract.
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
Taylor was lined up by McCann, same with Sheaf. Moore just OK'd that he'd still take them.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Any evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
So you're saying Whiteman himself was lying when he explained his decision?
There's your evidence if you choose to ignore everything else.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
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Ever considered no one offered any more for Whiteman than what we actually got.
So if we had put a valuation on him of 2.5 million and no one was interested what would the situation have been.
Well I will tell you. He would have run down his contract and we would have got Zero for him. Nought. Nothing. That would have gone down well on this forum.
Good job your not running the club.
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Whiteman was a bigger loss than Moore.
Moore is a good coach, not a manager.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
You're just not listening are you. Have it your own way then, you're determined one way or another in this to paint the club in a bad light. Whiteman just as many other players before him want to better themselves and move on, rather than the club having to sell. When folk reluctantly accept that, then they start on the club again accusing them of accepting less than their perceived worth.
I remember JR batting off the same criticisms. it's football, deal with it.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Things started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December.
Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.
Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.
To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.
Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Any evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.
But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
In no way is my post a staunch support of the board just stating the facts of what happened. SM has stated the same and it was reported at the time of his sale by Hoden, 3 separate statements
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Ever considered no one offered any more for Whiteman than what we actually got.
So if we had put a valuation on him of 2.5 million and no one was interested what would the situation have been.
Well I will tell you. He would have run down his contract and we would have got Zero for him. Nought. Nothing. That would have gone down well on this forum.
Good job your not running the club.
If you went into a car showroom would you expect 40% off just because there was no one currently looking at the same vehicle? This is despite the fact it would likely depreciate in value. You’re also forgetting we trueness down a bid from Hull the summer before.
If the club have got themselves into a situation where they have to sell at a discount they only have themselves to blame.
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And what did Hull offer ?
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
I'm sorry but it is simply ridiculous to blame Moore for the loss of Sadlier, Halliday, James and Wright.
There are plenty of things to criticise him for, but it gets silly when we are blaming him for players choosing to leave the club at the end of their contracts.
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Remember Southampton wanting Billy in the close season at over 3million? He didn’t want to move.
He then got injured at Brighton in the first game and missed a load of games. He got back to fitness and then miraculously it was in the press that he had a £1.1 million buy out clause in his contract.
Enter Adkins and they save over £2 million. The board were sure carved up there good an proper. Nobody criticised Billy over that at the time but it probably cost us any chance of staying up by losing out on the extra cash or not having his potential goals.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
This is true it does look a bad deal the reported figure was around 1.5m wasn't it? But there's more to a deal than just the fee we might have got 1.5m upfront in cash rather than waiting 5 years to eventually get the 2.5m which is what Oxford are doing. Pure conjecture like.
I think Oxford have a reputation of selling a few good players who go on to do better. We just don't really. Like Barnsley instantly can get more for their players than we would because the industry respects the pedigree that Barnsley players often go on to big things. DRFC players don't so we can't get that premium
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:cool:
Remember Southampton wanting Billy in the close season at over 3million? He didn’t want to move.
He then got injured at Brighton in the first game and missed a load of games. He got back to fitness and then miraculously it was in the press that he had a £1.1 million buy out clause in his contract.
Enter Adkins and they save over £2 million. The board were sure carved up there good an proper. Nobody criticised Billy over that at the time but it probably cost us any chance of staying up by losing out on the extra cash or not having his potential goals.
can't believe a club would not know if a player had a sell on clause or not in a contract
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
It was widely reported; the club can hide behind the fact they don’t publish it but don’t be fooled by it. If you have any more reliable source to suggest I’m wrong I’m willing to listen.
You’re being drawn in by the lack of information and your loyalty to the board: similar happens in politics and racism.
Look at the fact available, that you can see with your own eyes and then consider your position.
Before we go down the route is sustainability there are 22 clubs in our division that are sustained and are doing it better than us.
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Getting bored now
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
And this is the problem; it’s not a winge for the sake of it. The club is slowly dying; if you can’t see that there is something wrong.
John Ryan left this board 7 years ago; we are still not sustainable, have gone backwards since then and still don’t seem to have a plan. We are five years in to the first 5 year plan and sit in the relegation zone of the league we were in at the time. Great plan.
You’ll realise when it is too late what direction the board are taking us in.
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Still going on and on and on
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Why would the board want to drag the club down?
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
It was widely reported; the club can hide behind the fact they don’t publish it but don’t be fooled by it. If you have any more reliable source to suggest I’m wrong I’m willing to listen.
You’re being drawn in by the lack of information and your loyalty to the board: similar happens in politics and racism.
Look at the fact available, that you can see with your own eyes and then consider your position.
Before we go down the route is sustainability there are 22 clubs in our division that are sustained and are doing it better than us.
You are the one quoting figures coming up with figures you can't substantiate an not me I don't know and don't really care what he went for, but what you are saying is based on reports so in fact you know no more than me or my dog.
I have loyalty to my football team not The Board and don't bring politics or racism into a footbaling matter. What is my position for me to consider
Basically you actually know diddly squat
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Why would the board want to drag the club down?
I never said they wanted to; I said they are.
Every action of the club tells me they have zero ambition to be on the championship. If anybody can give me anything to the contrary, again, I’m willing to hear it.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
It was widely reported; the club can hide behind the fact they don’t publish it but don’t be fooled by it. If you have any more reliable source to suggest I’m wrong I’m willing to listen.
You’re being drawn in by the lack of information and your loyalty to the board: similar happens in politics and racism.
Look at the fact available, that you can see with your own eyes and then consider your position.
Before we go down the route is sustainability there are 22 clubs in our division that are sustained and are doing it better than us.
You are the one quoting figures coming up with figures you can't substantiate an not me I don't know and don't really care what he went for, but what you are saying is based on reports so in fact you know no more than me or my dog.
I have loyalty to my football team not The Board and don't bring politics or racism into a footbaling matter. What is my position for me to consider
Basically you actually know diddly squat
If you want to ignore what is happening in front of your eyes that is completely up to you.
I was the only person on this board that predicted we would be relegated at the beginning of the season given what was happening within the club; some folk were talking about being near the playoffs.
It was obvious we were going to struggle; people will call me pessimistic and anti the board when we are playing in league 2 next season.
The fact that we had the money in August for a Sunderland striker but marquis would now take up 3/4 players wages tells you everything there is to know about the lack of actual plan, the associated shifting tides and the quality we are now looking at bringing in. We are preparing for league 2 and have been since January 2021.
Time will tell; I hope I’m proved wrong but to me it’s obvious.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
It was widely reported; the club can hide behind the fact they don’t publish it but don’t be fooled by it. If you have any more reliable source to suggest I’m wrong I’m willing to listen.
You’re being drawn in by the lack of information and your loyalty to the board: similar happens in politics and racism.
Look at the fact available, that you can see with your own eyes and then consider your position.
Before we go down the route is sustainability there are 22 clubs in our division that are sustained and are doing it better than us.
You are the one quoting figures coming up with figures you can't substantiate an not me I don't know and don't really care what he went for, but what you are saying is based on reports so in fact you know no more than me or my dog.
I have loyalty to my football team not The Board and don't bring politics or racism into a footbaling matter. What is my position for me to consider
Basically you actually know diddly squat
If you want to ignore what is happening in front of your eyes that is completely up to you.
I was the only person on this board that predicted we would be relegated at the beginning of the season given what was happening within the club; some folk were talking about being near the playoffs.
It was obvious we were going to struggle; people will call me pessimistic and anti the board when we are playing in league 2 next season.
The fact that we had the money in August for a Sunderland striker but marquis would now take up 3/4 players wages tells you everything there is to know about the lack of actual plan, the associated shifting tides and the quality we are now looking at bringing in. We are preparing for league 2 and have been since January 2021.
Time will tell; I hope I’m proved wrong but to me it’s obvious.
Well done lad go claim a noddy badge
So how much is Marquis on how much is the Sunderland striker on, how much were they going to pay
So you predicted the injuries?
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
And this is the problem; it’s not a winge for the sake of it. The club is slowly dying; if you can’t see that there is something wrong.
John Ryan left this board 7 years ago; we are still not sustainable, have gone backwards since then and still don’t seem to have a plan. We are five years in to the first 5 year plan and sit in the relegation zone of the league we were in at the time. Great plan.
You’ll realise when it is too late what direction the board are taking us in.
Most clubs have dynamic 5 year plans. It wasn't a "Destination Championship" like statement.
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The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned.
And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve.
There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!
How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.
There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
It was widely reported; the club can hide behind the fact they don’t publish it but don’t be fooled by it. If you have any more reliable source to suggest I’m wrong I’m willing to listen.
You’re being drawn in by the lack of information and your loyalty to the board: similar happens in politics and racism.
Look at the fact available, that you can see with your own eyes and then consider your position.
Before we go down the route is sustainability there are 22 clubs in our division that are sustained and are doing it better than us.
You are the one quoting figures coming up with figures you can't substantiate an not me I don't know and don't really care what he went for, but what you are saying is based on reports so in fact you know no more than me or my dog.
I have loyalty to my football team not The Board and don't bring politics or racism into a footbaling matter. What is my position for me to consider
Basically you actually know diddly squat
If you want to ignore what is happening in front of your eyes that is completely up to you.
I was the only person on this board that predicted we would be relegated at the beginning of the season given what was happening within the club; some folk were talking about being near the playoffs.
It was obvious we were going to struggle; people will call me pessimistic and anti the board when we are playing in league 2 next season.
The fact that we had the money in August for a Sunderland striker but marquis would now take up 3/4 players wages tells you everything there is to know about the lack of actual plan, the associated shifting tides and the quality we are now looking at bringing in. We are preparing for league 2 and have been since January 2021.
Time will tell; I hope I’m proved wrong but to me it’s obvious.
Well done lad go claim a noddy badge
So how much is Marquis on how much is the Sunderland striker on, how much were they going to pay
So you predicted the injuries?
Are you seriously telling me Sunderland aren’t paying more, or even close to what Marquis is on. Don’t just argue for the sake of argument.
Every club has injuries, we just didn’t plan for them and relied on a small, young, inexperienced squad littered with players who hadn’t had regular game time; it’s hardly rocket science.
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Well I'm seriously telling you I don't know
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Well I'm seriously telling you I don't know
Well as a guide Salary Sport has Marquis on 5.2k per week and O’Brien on 6.5.
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
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Well I'm seriously telling you I don't know
Well as a guide Salary Sport has Marquis on 5.2k per week and O’Brien on 6.5.
That site looks about as accurate as Wikipedia.
"Every club has injuries, we just didn't plan for them" what utter drivel
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
You never did reply about grabbing that pint. I’m never said that did I; most other clubs haven’t gone crazy with spending but have somehow managed to stay clear of the relegation zone.
What bit of the clubs transfer business are you defending by the way?
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Well I'm seriously telling you I don't know
Well as a guide Salary Sport has Marquis on 5.2k per week and O’Brien on 6.5.
That site looks about as accurate as Wikipedia.
"Every club has injuries, we just didn't plan for them" what utter drivel
That why I said use it as a guide; which bit is drivel; the fact that other clubs have injuries or the fact we didn’t plan for them?
Show a club without injuries and try convincing anyone we don’t have any sort of strength in depth.
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:cool:Remember Southampton wanting Billy in the close season at over 3million? He didn’t want to move.
He then got injured at Brighton in the first game and missed a load of games. He got back to fitness and then miraculously it was in the press that he had a £1.1 million buy out clause in his contract.
Enter Adkins and they save over £2 million. The board were sure carved up there good an proper. Nobody criticised Billy over that at the time but it probably cost us any chance of staying up by losing out on the extra cash or not having his potential goals.
can't believe a club would not know if a player had a sell on clause or not in a contract
I would imagine that once it got near the time to come in his agent let everybody know.
The worst thing was Billy not wanting to go in August for a good fee to us plus then deciding he did want to go in January for a lot less.
Not to mention then seeing him score his first two goals for Southampton against us down there and celebrating like a good un.
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So how should we have planned for the injuries we’ve had, how big do you think the squad should be
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So how should we have planned for the injuries we’ve had, how big do you think the squad should be
I think, with all due respect, you’re missing the point. It’s the clubs job to plan and not mine; the current state of the squad indicates they haven’t done that part of the job properly and I doubt you, or anybody else, could put a coherent argument forward to convince anyone, except those that blindly support the board, that they have.
I simply don’t know what you are trying to defend or why.
Just for clarity I’m not somebody who is asking the board to go; they do need to get people around them who are able to support them running the club better than what is occurring currently.
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Well you’ve loads of opinions of what’s wrong but no idea of how you think it should be
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Well you’ve loads of opinions of what’s wrong but no idea of how you think it should be
I have shared lots of opinions on how I think the club should be ran previously; the board have adopted some of them ideas; I’m not suggesting that was because of me.
What I don’t do is just simply accept everything I am told, ignore what is before me and simply follow the consensus.
The club is divided at the moment between those that are opposed to the board and those that are for the board; the opinions I have expressed are valid but most on here simply don’t want to hear it. It’s a reflection of how society is at the moment. People just seek to have their own misguided, extreme opinions validated and can’t be accepting of any other than their own.
I have asked you to explain your thinking on a couple of matters and either you can’t or won’t; why? Because you know I’m right but don’t want to concede your position. It’s a theme on this forum and it’s like 1984 with the Thought Police in full force.
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
You never did reply about grabbing that pint. I’m never said that did I; most other clubs haven’t gone crazy with spending but have somehow managed to stay clear of the relegation zone.
What bit of the clubs transfer business are you defending by the way?
I'm not defending anything but you'd probably find a way to discredit anything they did.
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Sorry what have you asked me to explain?
Your opinions are obviously right and everyone else is wrong
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
You never did reply about grabbing that pint. I’m never said that did I; most other clubs haven’t gone crazy with spending but have somehow managed to stay clear of the relegation zone.
What bit of the clubs transfer business are you defending by the way?
I'm not defending anything but you'd probably find a way to discredit anything they did.
Thanks; I’ll take that as a compliment
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Sorry what have you asked me to explain?
Your opinions are obviously right and everyone else is wrong
1) What, in your view, have the club done since selling Whiteman that suggests to you that we are moving forward and not planning for relegation.
What part of the clubs transfer policy/ squad depth are you defending and why?
What bit of what I said about other teams having injuries and us having no squad depth was drivel?
What makes you think we appropriately planned for the likely injuries ?
These are all questions I put to you that you haven’t bothered to respond to; you have managed to attempt to shoot me down for raising the points though.
The irony of you saying I raise concerns but no solutions is rather humorous when you defend a position but can’t bring your self to articulate why.
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Let’s chuck loads of money on to the budget pile year after year and see where that gets us , in my eyes we would end up like Derby, Coventry, Bolton and numerous others of the last 20 years with owners who are ONLY in it for themselves and the profit. Now let me think have we ever been in that situation before ???
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
You never did reply about grabbing that pint. I’m never said that did I; most other clubs haven’t gone crazy with spending but have somehow managed to stay clear of the relegation zone.
What bit of the clubs transfer business are you defending by the way?
I'm not defending anything but you'd probably find a way to discredit anything they did.
Thanks; I’ll take that as a compliment
So you've basically just confirmed you'd not be happy no matter what they did so I no longer have any cause to pay any attention to anything you say.
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Let’s chuck loads of money on to the budget pile year after year and see where that gets us , in my eyes we would end up like Derby, Coventry, Bolton and numerous others of the last 20 years with owners who are ONLY in it for themselves and the profit. Now let me think have we ever been in that situation before ???
Isn't it ironic that all those three clubs that were led onto the road of disaster are higher than us in the league now!
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Getting bored now
You got more staying power than me, once he started whinging for the sake of it I had enough
The second someone says anything along the lines of 'the board don't/didn't want us to get promoted, to save money', I stop listening to them, as it's such an immensely stupid and unfounded statement.
Actions speak louder than words.
So we should just spunk a load of money and hope for the best to make some of our fans happy?
You never did reply about grabbing that pint. I’m never said that did I; most other clubs haven’t gone crazy with spending but have somehow managed to stay clear of the relegation zone.
What bit of the clubs transfer business are you defending by the way?
I'm not defending anything but you'd probably find a way to discredit anything they did.
Thanks; I’ll take that as a compliment
So you've basically just confirmed you'd not be happy no matter what they did so I no longer have any cause to pay any attention to anything you say.
I didn’t say that either did I? Never mind; either make a point or don’t Janso. You’re a troll.
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And you sir are a WUM
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Sorry what have you asked me to explain?
Your opinions are obviously right and everyone else is wrong
1) What, in your view, have the club done since selling Whiteman that suggests to you that we are moving forward and not planning for relegation.
What part of the clubs transfer policy/ squad depth are you defending and why?
What bit of what I said about other teams having injuries and us having no squad depth was drivel?
What makes you think we appropriately planned for the likely injuries ?
These are all questions I put to you that you haven’t bothered to respond to; you have managed to attempt to shoot me down for raising the points though.
The irony of you saying I raise concerns but no solutions is rather humorous when you defend a position but can’t bring your self to articulate why.
Sorry where did you pose these questions?
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Sorry what have you asked me to explain?
Your opinions are obviously right and everyone else is wrong
1) What, in your view, have the club done since selling Whiteman that suggests to you that we are moving forward and not planning for relegation.
What part of the clubs transfer policy/ squad depth are you defending and why?
What bit of what I said about other teams having injuries and us having no squad depth was drivel?
What makes you think we appropriately planned for the likely injuries ?
These are all questions I put to you that you haven’t bothered to respond to; you have managed to attempt to shoot me down for raising the points though.
The irony of you saying I raise concerns but no solutions is rather humorous when you defend a position but can’t bring your self to articulate why.
Sorry where did you pose these questions?
I give up seriously. Trying to have a reasoned debate in this forum is pointless.
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Well I'm seriously telling you I don't know
Well as a guide Salary Sport has Marquis on 5.2k per week and O’Brien on 6.5.
That site looks about as accurate as Wikipedia.
"Every club has injuries, we just didn't plan for them" what utter drivel
That why I said use it as a guide; which bit is drivel; the fact that other clubs have injuries or the fact we didn’t plan for them?
Show a club without injuries and try convincing anyone we don’t have any sort of strength in depth.
The drivel is how you plan for the number of injuries we have had at any one time this season. Do you ecpect a club of our size to have ready made , seaspned pro replacements for every position? Yes a certain amount of pre planning will go into cover for several potential injuries but not to the scale we have had..Now you you bring up strenth in depth into the thread
So you are happy to quote figures from a 2 bit site when guessing wages? And you accuse others of trolling!
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
Taylor was lined up by McCann, same with Sheaf. Moore just OK'd that he'd still take them.
Ok cheers I didn't know that so just 2-3 decent signings in 18 months then
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
I'm sorry but it is simply ridiculous to blame Moore for the loss of Sadlier, Halliday, James and Wright.
There are plenty of things to criticise him for, but it gets silly when we are blaming him for players choosing to leave the club at the end of their contracts.
I'm not blaming him for players choosing to leave once their contracts ended I'm saying he allowed their contracts to run down i.e. made zero attempt to extend these players contracts, as far as I'm aware someone may correct me, well in advance say the summer before. A good manager would have recognised that the back 4 were working together excellently, a good defence being the basis for any good team, yet only Anderson's contract was extended that previous summer (I'd expect the highest paid of the 4). Same argument with Sadlier.
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Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.
Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
I'm sorry but it is simply ridiculous to blame Moore for the loss of Sadlier, Halliday, James and Wright.
There are plenty of things to criticise him for, but it gets silly when we are blaming him for players choosing to leave the club at the end of their contracts.
I'm not blaming him for players choosing to leave once their contracts ended I'm saying he allowed their contracts to run down i.e. made zero attempt to extend these players contracts, as far as I'm aware someone may correct me, well in advance say the summer before. A good manager would have recognised that the back 4 were working together excellently, a good defence being the basis for any good team, yet only Anderson's contract was extended that previous summer (I'd expect the highest paid of the 4). Same argument with Sadlier.
Saddler wouldn't have signed any earlier either. He wanted a crack at the Championship and both he and his agent wanted to keep his options open and wouldn't sign the contract renewal he was offered. No problems with that. The only way he would perhaps have stayed is if we had achieved promotion, and he and his agent could have negotiated improved terms.
Not losing any sleep over Halliday or Wright either. The only one who we would've like to stay on was James but like Sadlier, he rightly wanted a crack at the Championship and he said that explicitly, saying if he hadn't got an offer from a Championship club he would've re‐ signed.
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I heard that Sadlier wanted to stay but the offer made to him was very poor.
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Whenever this thread gets bumped I think he's been sacked. I am surprised he's still in a job there tbh.
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Can't be too much longer. He's only won 1 in the last 5 league games and that was against Crewe. They are six points from the play offs and have no games in hand and a much poorer goal difference. His next three league games are Plymouth (6th), Oxford (5th) and Ipswich (11th). He could well be gone by the end of that run.
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Sacked by Huddersfield Town.
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Oh dear. He must have lost that ‘little black book’ on his way from Sheffield to Huddersfield.
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He’s finally paid the pelanty for being crap.
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and my revenue stream has sadly come to an end
Since he got the job I have persistently laid a 'Uddersfield win (knowing it would be a collectors item) and would have continued until the cows came home - and they finally have ! Could say I have been milking the bookmakers.
I have always liked them so now with my bank manageress's blessing I now hope they stay up. I was getting worried when they signed some good players (at least on paper) in the last week or so.
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and my revenue stream has sadly come to an end
Since he got the job I have persistently laid a 'Uddersfield win (knowing it would be a collectors item) and would have continued until the cows came home - and they finally have ! Could say I have been milking the bookmakers.
I have always liked them so now with my bank manageress's blessing I now hope they stay up. I was getting worried when they signed some good players (at least on paper) in the last week or so.
I personally think they'll drop out of the Championship this season. The parachute payments have now dried up and they are just a mid table fodder who with some suspect recruitment will most likely fall back into league one.
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Have him back in a heartbeat.
Well I suppose we haven’t got a decent forward to give away if he did return.
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Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Spot on mate.
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He had us in a very good place and even though last few games dropped off, we were top 7 in League One. Look now.
He was setting us up to fail though with his reliance on loans rather than building a squad.
Still cannot believe that summer window 2021. Whatever the budget available that was likely point we killed ourselves. What a circus act.
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Funny how he gets dog’s abuse on here, last decent manager we had!
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Let’s face it, until GM the bar wasn’t exactly high
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He deserves respect for the player he was for us. He did what he could while here. People rarely leave without leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
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He had us in a very good place and even though last few games dropped off, we were top 7 in League One. Look now.
He was setting us up to fail though with his reliance on loans rather than building a squad.
Still cannot believe that summer window 2021. Whatever the budget available that was likely point we killed ourselves. What a circus act.
Yeah lots of points where we’ve failed and made bad decisions but the decision to preform austerity on steroids with the playing squad set in motion a death spiral.
Yes the club was gutted by Moore just signing loans, was that a symptom of the austerity?, but that we needed a whole rebuild made it even dafter to cut everything.
Know there was a lot of talk at the time about if funding was cut or just poorly spent but the evidence looking back at it is clear.
Think someone thought clubs would be struggling or going bust after Covid but so many just doubled down instead. Football isn’t about financial logic and never has been
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This is a good analysis. Caveat being that if Terry didn’t want to put more money in to the club, he didn’t have to and nobody should have begrudged him of that - but whatever the cause or thinking, we are where we are because of terrible decisions by the club for 3-4 years running. At every step, they have made wrong call after wrong call. Yes at times the support has been unhelpful (Harrogate away last season) but it’s not been anywhere near as bad as other clubs in same situation. I think as much as praising the progress that has been made since 1998, decisions taken by owners and management last few years have been terrible and this current disaster is 100pc on them.
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Moore made 9 loan signings in 19/20, including two that we signed permanently. They made a total of 108 league starts. 12 starts each on average.
He made 10 loan signings in 20/21. Three of those were goalkeepers because of a string of injuries. They made 135 starts between them. 13.5 each on average.
In 21/22, Wellens and McSheffrey made 8 loan signings who made 137 appearances. 17 each on average.
This year, with extra investment in the squad, we have already made 8 loan signings. They have made 47 starts. 6 each on average, and we are going to see a lot more of them.
Moore wasn't so different, and I suspect many other clubs in L1 and 2 are similar. I think there are people who just raise this issue to beat Moore with it.
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Appointed manager of Port Vale, currently in League One drop zone.
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5 and a half years deal.
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On 5 year deal. Guess Hudds must be paying most of salary.
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There must be so many clauses in there that are favourably to the club. Nobody outside the top 6 in the EPL would agree to anything like that otherwise.
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Good luck PV
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funny that :sick: Port vale came to my attention when they signed 3 loan players from premiership clubs
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9 January Jensen Weir [Brighton - Port Vale] Loan
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16 January Rhys Williams [Liverpool - Port Vale] Loan
Williams, 22, made 19 appearances in Liverpool's injury-hit 2020-21 Premier League and Champions League campaign.
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23 January Dan Gore [Manchester United - Port Vale] Loan
Gore, 19, has made two United's first-team appearances, his only Premier League appearance having come in the Boxing Day win over Aston Villa.
He won the FA Youth Cup with United in 2022 and was last season named as their reserve team player of the year.
then i saw this
Robbie Williams becomes Club President
3 February 2024
in the last week we had a story about Robbie Williams taking over the club ----
this has been denied
now we have an appointment that surely demands a visit from the men in white coats
it seems Moore will be making "moore" loans if he finds his little black book
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He’ll keep getting jobs as long as he wants them.
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Lost his first game in charge 3-2 after taking the lead twice.
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New manager syndrome not working well
For him . Love PV to get relegated
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They will get relegated
Looking forward to taking 6 points against them next season.
Hopefully.
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Lost his first game in charge 3-2 after taking the lead twice.
Lost his second game in charge, 2-0.
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Perhaps they’re not yet buying into his erudite team talks.
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Good manager, always does seem to take a while to get going though. Took us half a season to properly click under him.
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Yes he knew how to give away good players.
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He has been found out recently but that is not a League 1 squad at Port Vale.
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Point of general interest - he is managing two ex-Rovers in Uche Ikpeazu and Conor Grant.
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McCann over Moore any day, even if both managers previously abandoned us. I'm happy as we are.
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Has he actually got the team “over the line” and onto the pitch?
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Lost his first game in charge 3-2 after taking the lead twice.
Lost his second game in charge, 2-0.
Lost in his third game in charge, 2-0 at home.
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Lost his first game in charge 3-2 after taking the lead twice.
Lost his second game in charge, 2-0.
Lost in his third game in charge, 2-0 at home.
Drew his fourth game. Was 2-0 up against Fleetwood going in to the 88th minute then conceded two goals in final minutes. Worst of all, the late equaliser was a pelanty.
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Wasn’t a pelanty
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Port Vale scored a pelanty neither of Fleetwoods goals were
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That’s my mistake. The second Port Vale goal was a pelanty, not Fleetwood.
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Don’t want to be pedantic.
But why are 3 of you spelling penalty, pelanty? ;)
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Don’t want to be pedantic.
But why are you both spelling penalty, pelanty? ;)
There ought to be some sort of pelanty against it Campsall.
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Don’t want to be pedantic.
But why are 3 of you spelling penalty, pelanty? ;)
There should be moore emphasis on it.
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Don’t want to be pedantic.
But why are 3 of you spelling penalty, pelanty? ;)
It's how Moore pronounced in his interviews
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Out of curiosity I just had a quick nosey on the Port Vale fans forum following that game last night.
Oh dear. Several are calling for Moore to go already!
Here's an example:
The post match interview, was one of the worst that I've ever seen from a Vale manager. Completely failing to acknowledge that the second half performance was totally abject and that the team who stuffed us 3-0 just a few weeks ago and are certain to be relegated, battered us again for the entire second half and were unfortunate not to have got all three points.
You've really got to be super optimistic to pick any positives out of that and as a manager, of course, he has to, but despite us being 2-0 up and good value for it, from the moment the second half kicked off, we all knew what was coming, except the manager.
Just shocking all round.
Some Huddersfield fans are convinced Moore would have taken them down if they hadn't got rid.
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Wednesday you have to put to one side as their budget was wildly in excess of pretty much everyone else in League One when he took them up. The other jobs have all been failures. BUT with what must have been a fairly ordinary League One budget and yes with lots of loans, he had us doing exceptionally well during his time with us, even if the football was often infuriating. All very odd.
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Wednesday you have to put to one side as their budget was wildly in excess of pretty much everyone else in League One when he took them up. The other jobs have all been failures. BUT with what must have been a fairly ordinary League One budget and yes with lots of loans, he had us doing exceptionally well during his time with us, even if the football was often infuriating. All very odd.
relying on a taylor richards screamer to win the game was about as far as his tactics went...
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Wednesday you have to put to one side as their budget was wildly in excess of pretty much everyone else in League One when he took them up. The other jobs have all been failures. BUT with what must have been a fairly ordinary League One budget and yes with lots of loans, he had us doing exceptionally well during his time with us, even if the football was often infuriating. All very odd.
And we are only just managing a rebuild after he left us with no team no squad even
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Wednesday you have to put to one side as their budget was wildly in excess of pretty much everyone else in League One when he took them up. The other jobs have all been failures. BUT with what must have been a fairly ordinary League One budget and yes with lots of loans, he had us doing exceptionally well during his time with us, even if the football was often infuriating. All very odd.
And we are only just managing a rebuild after he left us with no team no squad even
The mess that we are emerging from was down to Moore.
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Wait until he’s had a transfer window and starts signing players based on what church they favour….
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Exposed. Tw@t really did leave us in the shite.
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Exposed. Tw@t really did leave us in the shite.
Correct, but I think that might be contested by someone on here.
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Apart from two freak results that got Wednesday promoted (they should have walked the league) he has failed everywhere.
One could argue that with us, he jumped before his failure was realised by most, me included.
You have to give him some credit, though - he’s probably earned more money from clubs after he’s been sacked than when they employed him.
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Exposed. Tw@t really did leave us in the shite.
Correct, but I think that might be contested by someone on here.
Who might that be,and why don't you name them?
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Exposed. Tw@t really did leave us in the shite.
Correct, but I think that might be contested by someone on here.
Who might that be,and why don't you name them?
Who said I had any one in particular in mind.
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Absolute conman Moore. He had Whiteman, Sheaf, Jacob Ramsey, Niall Ennis, Dieng, prime Sadlier, prime Anderson, Reece James, Copps, Josh Sims... Any manager should have gotten results with that lot.
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Port vale getting hammered.
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Darren Moore in the bottom four does roll off the tongue easy
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Lost again. Hammered 3-0 away at Derby. Didn’t have a shot on target.
That’s four games played, four games lost.
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Lost again. Hammered 3-0 away at Derby. Didn’t have a shot on target.
That’s four games played, four games lost.
not quite..l
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Actually, yes. A point!
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Lost again. Hammered 3-0 away at Derby. Didn’t have a shot on target.
That’s four games played, four games lost.
Port Vale haven’t lost four on the bounce. That’s something that’s been made up. A fantasy.
;) :lol:
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Absolute conman Moore. He had Whiteman, Sheaf, Jacob Ramsey, Niall Ennis, Dieng, prime Sadlier, prime Anderson, Reece James, Copps, Josh Sims... Any manager should have gotten results with that lot.
When you put it like that we should have been up there. Don’t forget he had prime Marquis too.
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Absolute conman Moore. He had Whiteman, Sheaf, Jacob Ramsey, Niall Ennis, Dieng, prime Sadlier, prime Anderson, Reece James, Copps, Josh Sims... Any manager should have gotten results with that lot.
......And Alfie May on the bench! :facepalm:
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Absolute conman Moore. He had Whiteman, Sheaf, Jacob Ramsey, Niall Ennis, Dieng, prime Sadlier, prime Anderson, Reece James, Copps, Josh Sims... Any manager should have gotten results with that lot.
When you put it like that we should have been up there. Don’t forget he had prime Marquis too.
I think him and Marquis overlapped by a few weeks only and Marquis left before even playing in a pre-season game. Wider point is perhaps that there was a Marquis windfall of sorts and he still didn’t sign a proper striker for another 5 months when Fejiri joined. In between he signed Kwame, Rakish and that lad Sterling on loan from Spurs who got injured pretty much immediately.
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Lost again. Hammered 3-0 away at Derby. Didn’t have a shot on target.
That’s four games played, four games lost.
Port Vale haven’t lost four on the bounce. That’s something that’s been made up. A fantasy.
;) :lol:
They do tend to yo-yo between L1 and L2 anyway so no surprise they are down there.
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Absolute conman Moore. He had Whiteman, Sheaf, Jacob Ramsey, Niall Ennis, Dieng, prime Sadlier, prime Anderson, Reece James, Copps, Josh Sims... Any manager should have gotten results with that lot.
When you put it like that we should have been up there. Don’t forget he had prime Marquis too.
I think him and Marquis overlapped by a few weeks only and Marquis left before even playing in a pre-season game. Wider point is perhaps that there was a Marquis windfall of sorts and he still didn’t sign a proper striker for another 5 months when Fejiri joined. In between he signed Kwame, Rakish and that lad Sterling on loan from Spurs who got injured pretty much immediately.
And Niall Ennis.
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Trip to PV next season looking good . Nice away end there
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With 4 losses and a draw against his name already, I wonder if the chairman at PV is now reflecting as to whether the 5 and a half year deal he gave DM was a little excessive...
I note they play Leyton Orient in a week also - should be a good battle of wits between 2 ex-Rovers managers...
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Trip to PV next season looking good . Nice away end there
I’ve only been there once, in the mid sixties, on a Yorkshire Traction Bus.
We lost 4-2 and despite losing we had to run like the wind back to the busses with PV fans in pursuit.
I remember having crouch down in the aisle as housebricks came through the windows.
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I went to Vale Park in the sixties when Stanley Matthews was PV's manager. The pitch was awful. Rovers won 1-0.
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I've been 4 times to Vale Park. W 2-0, L 0-3, L 0-3, L 0-3.
The good news, guys, is that I'll probably be there next season.
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I've been once. L 0-5. We were lucky to get 0.
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I've been once. L 0-5. We were lucky to get 0.
Been 6 times.
Won 2 drew 1 lost 2 if my memory is correct.
The other game early 1980 was postponed at 1-30
Ref from Burnley called Scott. Never forgiven him.
Things I remember eh crazy.
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I've been once. L 0-5. We were lucky to get 0.
Night game.
Cusack was manager. Got soaked on the Kop.
Yes it was a whitewash. We were awful.
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I've been once. L 0-5. We were lucky to get 0.
Night game.
Cusack was manager. Got soaked on the Kop.
Yes it was a whitewash. We were awful.
Nope. Easter Saturday 1988. Mackay was the manager. We played most of Beaglehole's kids and we got absolutely trounced.
It was part of a run of 1 win and 8 points from the last 18 games as we whimpered out of Div 3.
Never wanted to go back there since!
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I think the night match was the year before when we lost 4-2. I wonder what our overall record is there?
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I think the night match was the year before when we lost 4-2. I wonder what our overall record is there?
Sorry think your right BST
Memory playing tricks.
The 4-2 was still awful though. We were well outplayed.
The 1988 game I did not go to.
Our record at Vale Park not great.
Lost 17, Drew 3, Won 5
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It is not all down to Moore but they have won once in 14 league games and lost nine in that run. Really not heading in a good direction. League season didn't start well for them either getting hammered 7-0 by the Dingles.
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I went one Tuesday night with the late great John Barker. We worked at the plant so went on the train, knowing there wasn't one back and we had work in the morning.
Must have been 1971 or 1972.
We lost 1-0 to a late goal I think.
We set off thumbing it, eventually this bloke picked us up and dropped us off near Uttoxeter.
Started walking towards Derby.
The first car to pass picked us up and dropped us off at Derby Station, so lucky.
Caught the first train back to Donny, just in time to get to work
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I went one Tuesday night with the late great John Barker. We worked at the plant so went on the train, knowing there wasn't one back and we had work in the morning.
Must have been 1971 or 1972.
We lost 1-0 to a late goal I think.
We set off thumbing it, eventually this bloke picked us up and dropped us off near Uttoxeter.
Started walking towards Derby.
The first car to pass picked us up and dropped us off at Derby Station, so lucky.
Caught the first train back to Donny, just in time to get to work
Hiya Tommy, your post reminded me of the great times I had with friends back in the sixties when we hitch hiked all over the country, often to get to Rovers away games.
We went as far as Torquay as 15 year olds, before the days of the M5 too.
We were lucky enough to get home on one of the supporters buses, getting home at 9am Sunday then playing Sunday League football with a 10.30 kick off.
We once got a lift to Grimsby from Tudworth Corner with the match referee who even got us complementary match tickets.
So many great times.
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Yes hound.
Some of the best times of my life were going away with the Rovers when we were young.
Wouldn't have missed them for the world.
I could go on forever with some of the stuff we used to get up to.
So many laughs and scrapes.
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Lost again yesterday. 2-1 at home to Shrewsbury.
Now 7 points from safety. Absent a very major turnaround, if he keeps his job we will be facing him next season.
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With 4 losses and a draw against his name already, I wonder if the chairman at PV is now reflecting as to whether the 5 and a half year deal he gave DM was a little excessive...
I note they play Leyton Orient in a week also - should be a good battle of wits between 2 ex-Rovers managers...
5 yr contract. Are they mad.
How much will that cost them when they want sack him.
Quite unbelievable. Some clubs are really their own worst enemies. :headbang:
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Hope for their sake they have a relegation release clause or maybe they have a clause of if we sack you 2 year pay off no matter when it happens but if another team comes in vale get a 4 year pay out or whatever is left
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From the PV forum
After just six games I have had enough the waffle coming from DM's mouth every pre/post match interview.
I never bought into the non rousing speech before the game. I said the game would be over after ten minutes. It so predictable that I dont bother watching anymore. I go through the motions of reading the post mortem every Sunday though and hope something has changed. I live in hope but accept reality.
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Well I hope they keep faith with Judas all the way through next season so we can enjoy tormenting the back stabbing greedy b*stard home and away.
Bitter ?? not me :crying: :crying:
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From the PV forum
After just six games I have had enough the waffle coming from DM's mouth every pre/post match interview.
I never bought into the non rousing speech before the game. I said the game would be over after ten minutes. It so predictable that I dont bother watching anymore. I go through the motions of reading the post mortem every Sunday though and hope something has changed. I live in hope but accept reality.
If only they’d thought to ask us….Sheff Wednesday, Huddersfield Town, Port Vale, in that order!
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0-0 last night against Orient.
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with those loan signings from premiership clubs i expected them to be easily midtable has Robbie Williams coughed up any money yet ?
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Keep reading that one of their benefactors has just copped for something like £180m
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Lost again, 2-0 to Oxford. Still only 6 points from safety, although time running out for him to get a tune out the side. Just 9 games left. With final game of season against Cambridge, currently occupying the last safety spot.
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Has he got something like 2 points from his first 8 games?
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Perhaps we should concentrate on ourselves seeing as we are a league below as it stands
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Perhaps we should concentrate on ourselves seeing as we are a league below as it stands
Why should we?
He played a big enough part in us being there and he's looking like showing consistency in his achievements.
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Won his first game today, 1-0 away at relegation candidates Burton Albion.
His record since being appointed is now played 9, won 1, drawn 2, lost 6.
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He won’t be getting too high with the high or low with the lows
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He had a decent result today, winning 2-0 against mid table Bristol Rovers. Marquis was an unused sub.
This leaves Port Vale one point short of safety and with a game in hand. Three tough games coming up though.
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Lost yet again, 2-0. Still only a point from safety and with a game in hand. He could just get lucky.
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He won’t be getting too high with the high or low with the lows
Hits from the bong?
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He won’t be getting too high with the high or low with the lows
Hits from the bong?
Sing my song, puff all night long as I take hits from the bong.
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Inhale, exhale…
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Underworld
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Just gets worse for Dazza. Lost again last night.
Since he was appointed on 13 February his record has been played 15, lost 10, drawn 3 and won 2, ppg of 0.6 and season equivalent of 28 points. Current loss percentage of 66pc.
Now four points adrift of safety and two games to go.
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Just gets worse for Dazza. Lost again last night.
Since he was appointed on 13 February his record has been played 15, lost 10, drawn 3 and won 2, ppg of 0.6 and season equivalent of 28 points. Current loss percentage of 66pc.
Now four points adrift of safety and two games to go.
And they've got Bolton away on Saturday !
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Rotherham should poach him!
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I’m so glad he isn’t with us.
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This advert has appeared in our village newsletter........ new career?
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Relegated today after losing 2-0 at Bolton. If he and they honour his (five year) contract then Dazza is managing in League Two next season, the lowest level he has ever managed.
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Hahahahahaha
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Drew today 0-0 and finished in 23rd place. Quite an achievement in taking over when they were 21st and level on points with 20th and safety, and going backwards to finish 23rd. Five seasons of his five and half season contract remaining.
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Port Fail
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i still haven't forgiven Port vale for losing to a bunch of Man United kids making their debuts
and a hell of a lot of my "unhard earned money" going west
i got silly odds on Port Vlae as soon as I knew Fergie was fielding kids and it started well 1-0 to the Vale
https://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/2019/august/port-vale-vs-united-1994/
Port Vale meet Salford City for the first time in their history tomorrow afternoon, but this isn’t the first time Vale fans have come across some of their owners, as Paul Scholes and David Beckham made their first Manchester United starts at Vale Park.
In September 1994, Port Vale hosted Manchester United in the League Cup, then known as the Coca-Cola Cup, in the first leg game of a second round game, which saw United win 2-1 with Paul Scholes the star of the show.
18,605 fans piled into Vale Park to see the footballing giants and there star players such as Eric Cantona, Peter Schmeical, Mark Hughes and Paul Ince, but were left angry and disappointed when Sir Alex Ferguson fielded a side made up of youth players.
In that starting line-up, the list of unknown names included Gary Neville, Nicky Butt, Keith Gillespie and making his first start and just second appearance for the club, David Beckham.
The biggest star to start the match was Roy Keane who played as a centre-half rather than his usual spot in the centre of midfield, alongside David May.
However, all the following day’s headlines were talking about a 19-year debutant named Paul Scholes, who would go on to make 718 appearances for the Red Devils in his illustrious career.
Vale got off to a strong start against the inexperienced United team, taking the lead after just seven minutes thanks to forward Lee Glover.
The goal came when a Vale corner was headed clear, but only as far as Bradley Sandeman who rifled a shot towards goal which Glover diverted past Gary Walsh with a skilfully placed header to give the Valiants the lead.
Vale could not hold onto their lead however, as after 36 minutes Paul Scholes stole the ball off Dean Glover on the edge of the Vale box and dinked the ball over Paul Musselwhite and into the bottom corner to equalise with his first of 155 goals for the club.
Soon after the break, the young Scholes, who wore the number 10 shirt rather than his iconic number 22 for the game, doubled his Manchester United account to put them into the lead, scoring his first of many trademark headers from a Simon Davies cross.
The game played an important role in future cup ties, setting the precedent of fielding a weakened or younger side for games, something that remains visible in cup clashes today.
The 1,400 Vale fans travelling to Salford’s Peninsula Stadium will be hoping that Scholes and his fellow members of the ‘Class of 92’ will not be celebrating like they did 25 years ago come five O’clock tomorrow evening.