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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyNoel on January 27, 2020, 12:19:36 pm
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BBC Live Text reporting:
More transfer news from Yorkshire now, and after letting goalkeeper Ian Lawlor join Scunthorpe on loan till the end of the season, Doncaster Rovers have signed Devante Cole on a permanent deal from Wigan.
Nothing on DROS, club twitter or from Liam Hoden though...
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He has been on loan at Motherwell this season in the SPL. 4 in 19 for them.
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over his entire career hes been a 1 in 4 striker..., can this be john marquis vesion 2, where an average striker becomes a top level marksman when they pull on the red and white hoops!!! Lets hope so!!!!!
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To be fair he had big boots to fill at Motherwell
Hope the signing is true
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Motherwell fans already reporting it
https://www.steelmenonline.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/15347-former-motherwell-fc-players-thread/page/138/&tab=comments#comment-549598
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If true - then presume it will be 2.5 year deal, which will be longest we have given for some time now?
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I still can't find any confirmation of this anywhere though, even looking on Wigan sites.
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Motherwell fans seemed to like him.
"We could do with a forward who has a bit more experience and a bit of a physical presence. Cole was probably the pick of the bunch and we’ve replaced him with yet another inexperienced winger.
It’s a huge ask to go through the rest of the season with Long as our only senior striker. He’s scored 5 of our last 8 goals and if anything happens to him, we’re humped."
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You wouldn’t expect the bbc to get things wrong though.?
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Over the years I’ve always got kiwomya and Cole muddled up as they were similar players
Let’s hope not though
Would be a Good signing in my opinion
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Ah, the BBC. Never knowingly wrong..... ;)
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I may have to repost the "photo" of Tevez in a Rovers shirt.......
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Looks a decent finisher
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I think this would be a good signing for us.
You can look at his strike rate and conclude his career progress has stalled a bit, but he’s still only 24 and was very highly thought of not so long ago.
He’s had a good schooling at Manchester City, decent height, pace, and physical presence. One to work with and could be a really good addition when he’s settled I think.
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No confirmation yet and we're already fitting him out with his new shirt.... :laugh:
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Here in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQA253RcFw
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No confirmation yet and we're already fitting him out with his new shirt.... :laugh:
I'll believe it when I'm sat on him
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
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No confirmation yet and we're already fitting him out with his new shirt.... :laugh:
I'll believe it when I'm sat on him
Or when it's on Wiki... :thumbsup:
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DM's transfer to us was put up on wiki a bit previous and then taken down, if it was at our end I'm sure it won't happen till it's pen on paper.
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caertainly got good genes to fall back on, maybe all he needs is a decent manager to get the best out of him!
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
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No confirmation yet and we're already fitting him out with his new shirt.... :laugh:
I'll believe it when I'm sat on him
Let's be honest, it won't be the first bloke's lap you've sat on.
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If he does come to us it should be easy enough to adapt his dads song to him.
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Was he not a good player at Bradford but issue with his attitude?
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I’m sure whoever we sign it will get turned into a negative by some
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No confirmation yet and we're already fitting him out with his new shirt.... :laugh:
I'll believe it when I'm sat on him
Let's be honest, it won't be the first bloke's lap you've sat on.
Oi, cheeky!
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Was he not a good player at Bradford but issue with his attitude?
My mate loved him when he was at Barnsley.
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
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Over the years I’ve always got kiwomya and Cole muddled up as they were similar players
Let’s hope not though
Would be a Good signing in my opinion
Pretty sure they
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I’m sure whoever we sign it will get turned into a negative by some
Every positive attracts a negative............ science
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What makes you think he’s a wide man?
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What makes you think he’s a wide man?
Looks quite slim to me
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I know wiki isn’t always 100% accurate but his profile on there says Striker and he’s 6 foot one.
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
Ah, but don’t forget, we have been waiting for the first A list player then that is the trigger for the second and third to follow so maybe things will begin to flow now.
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Mixed reviews in Scotland, missed some easy chances? Just got to give him a chance here though
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
Before he’s even kicked a ball for us, let alone be formally announced.?
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his highlights reel looks impressive, quick, strong with an eye for goal.....
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
I don’t think he’s a wide player, he was being played out of position. Perhaps explains the strike rate.
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
hes deffo a striker looking at the highlights reel....
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He played wide right at Motherwell because he needed too as they were short of options but there manager said his true position was central.Motherwell wanted to keep him..
If this is true i'm delighted,a young player who we can work with for our own benefit and long term too...
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It’s confirmed now welcome to rovers
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Says initial deal until the end of season ?
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So we've paid money and signed him until bloody May..And Moore goes on about long term thinking....I was delighted but thats such a dissapointing contract
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https://youtu.be/QlbXxRNyLVE
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Unless its a typo the deal duration is a bit of a strange one.
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Excellent news!! Welcome Devante👍 Worth waiting for imo .well done to the board and all involved!! 😀⚽️⚽️
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Will sign him again in August so blunt doesn’t have to pay him through the summer
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It's a loan in all but name.
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Let’s worry about the contract duration after he’s played a few times at least. I’m sure there will be options to extend.
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A six month contract?! Got to be joking
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It's a loan in all but name.
No it’s not, it’s a short term contract..
Will sign him again in August so blunt doesn’t have to pay him through the summer
Really.? Is that necessary to say that, unless you’re trying to be funny.?
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The free Press article says its a 6 month contract with an option for a further year. Can't work out who the option is for, us or him! Maybe dependent on which league we're in next year. Weird one.
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Good signing and glad we’ve finally got one in (hopefully a few more to follow!) but the fact we’ve paid a fee and only got him until the end of the season is a head scratcher. The most curious transfer terms since Daniels in the summer 😂
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So we've paid money and signed him until bloody May..And Moore goes on about long term thinking....I was delighted but thats such a dissapointing contract
And this is what Moore refers to about getting them over the line. Still awaiting confirmation on the actual contract length, but sometimes Players just dont want to sign for the duration of the contract that is offered. There are 101 things that can make a deal fall at the final hurdle and believe it or not, budget and money are rarely those things.
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Every positive attracts a negative............ science
Told you.......
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24 in 67 when played up front in League One.
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Idd be interested to know how much the undisclosed fee is to say he’s only signed till May
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I think it was Cole who scored in the 90th minute (was it for Crewe) to put them 2-1 up at the KM.
The ground virtually emptied but we scored two in add on time to win the match.
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He has a decent goals record at this level, good experience for a 24 year old. Tall, mobile, versatile along the attacking line. Doubt he cost much.
I'm seeing nothing but positives here. People wanted us to sign a striker, here is one we know is capable of hitting double figures at this level. A great start to the week.
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Idd be interested to know how much the undisclosed fee is to say he’s only signed till May
Not sure on the face of it the length of contract would impact much on the fee - Wigan would possibly want the same fee irrespective of the contract length our end, that's not really their concern once he's off their books.
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24 in 67 when played up front in League One.
Where do you get that from? Just had a look on Wikipedia and his overall L1 record is 32 in 148, I’m struggling to see where you could divide it up to get the figures you have.
I’m not sure he’s been brought in as the answer up top, more for competition for the front 4 places. I’d be delighted to be proven wrong, mind!
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Young Cole last played on 21 Dec 19 (sub appearance) so I guess he will need a bit of time to get up to speed....... just to cheer everyone up..... :)
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could it be he sees himself as a championship standard player and wants to keep his options open ? Either way hes our forward now and thats all that matters
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I would be amazed if there isn't the option for us to extend for another year or two come the end of the season. Free Press are reporting that we have an option for another 12 months if we choose to exercise it. If that is the case then it doesn't sound like bad business to me. Get him in, see how he does until the end of the season and then if he's any good we know we have him tied down for next season too. If he turns out to be crap then we say goodbye without having him sat warming the bench or paying up his contract. It's clear that DRFC have a real aversion to committing to longer term contracts and don't want to find themselves in a situation like Sheffield United having Leon Clark sat there on 10 grand a week.
If it had been announced as an 18 month contract but with the option for us to terminate it at 6 months if we choose to do so then that sounds much better in my opinion. And if the reports are correct, this is exactly what we have.
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What makes you think he’s a wide man?
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He’s a CF not a wide man
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He also played (and scored) against Rangers in front of 50k fans at Ibrox in October 2019.....
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could it be he sees himself as a championship standard player and wants to keep his options open ? Either way hes our forward now and thats all that matters
A fair point re. him keeping his options open. - I'm having trouble envisaging a situation where a player wants a 2/3 year contact, we offer six months and he takes it.
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I would be amazed if there isn't the option for us to extend for another year or two come the end of the season. Free Press are reporting that we have an option for another 12 months if we choose to exercise it. If that is the case then it doesn't sound like bad business to me. Get him in, see how he does until the end of the season and then if he's any good we know we have him tied down for next season too. If he turns out to be crap then we say goodbye without having him sat warming the bench or paying up his contract. It's clear that DRFC have a real aversion to committing to longer term contracts and don't want to find themselves in a situation like Sheffield United having Leon Clark sat there on 10 grand a week.
If it had been announced as an 18 month contract but with the option for us to terminate it at 6 months if we choose to do so then that sounds much better in my opinion. And if the reports are correct, this is exactly what we have.
I'd agree with all of that - it also means that young Cole will hope to impress and earn an extended contract...
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I am thankfully surprised at this. I genuinely didn’t think we would get anyone in. Let’s hope he’s not the last. He should be match fit and ready to go
Hopefully he will be part of us scoring more and pushing on into the top 6
Come on the Reds
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Until this morning, was Cole on any of our fans’ radars as a potential signing.?
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24 in 67 when played up front in League One.
Where do you get that from? Just had a look on Wikipedia and his overall L1 record is 32 in 148, I’m struggling to see where you could divide it up to get the figures you have.
I’m not sure he’s been brought in as the answer up top, more for competition for the front 4 places. I’d be delighted to be proven wrong, mind!
Transfermarkt.
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Could be a good one this.
Length of the contract is a bit of a risk but it makes sense - if he does well we can try to sign him up for longer, but if it doesn't work out we're not saddled with him for ages a la Kiwomya.
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We have paid a fee for him according to the Wigan website
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Until this morning, was Cole on any of our fans’ radars as a potential signing.?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275638.0
Yes he was, good signing this, surprised by length of contract as is everyone else but fairly certain it must suit both parties so we'll see I suppose?
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Until this morning, was Cole on any of our fans’ radars as a potential signing.?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275638.0
Yes he was, good signing this, surprised by length of contract as is everyone else but fairly certain it must suit both parties so we'll see I suppose?
Yep, gives both parties chance to prove themselves. Extreme alternate example is Malik Wilkes at Barnsley, on loan at Hull, 4 year contract and Barnsley are stuck with him.
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Just when I thought we were starting to build on the 8 senior players we have contracted beyond the current campaign...
Seriously I thought this was an excellent acquisition for us to work with over a period of time and get him back to his best. But the contract length doesn’t enable him to get settled, and if he does well then it doesn’t remotely protect the club’s investment. A bizarre deal.
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We have paid a fee for him according to the Wigan website
Motherwell wanted to keep him on loan but Wigan recalled him which intimates this has been going on a while.He was out of contract at the end of the season and they werent going to offer him anything past that.
Motherwell by all accounts weren't paying Wigan much for the loan so it made more sense to bring him back.Get a better percentage of his wages till the end of the season and get him off their books.That will be all the undisclosed fee is..
I cant see this being Moore's plan A tbh but we all know we need at least 2 strikers so hopefully one more to come.
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At Bradford my mates said that he took the wrong option too many times and was greedy.
Hopefully he has moved on now with more experience.
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I’m trying to work out how this deal fits in with what we’re told on Twitter regarding one deal would effect others.
Does this mean we’ve signed him now instead of idah on loan?
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who would have thought it was Lawlor we were waiting to get off the books before we could bring somebody in. :ohmy:
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Good signing, not sure we should be paying a fee for someone that might only be here until May
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Suppose it depends on the amount
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Not sure really what suggests that he is a good signing,but it's a signing and hes certainly got better credentials than Thomas and Bingham so I'll take it.
Contract length is baffling.
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I think it was Cole who scored in the 90th minute (was it for Crewe) to put them 2-1 up at the KM.
The ground virtually emptied but we scored two in add on time to win the match.
sure he hasn’t played for crewe,possibly scored against us for fleetwood
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If he produces anything like this finishing, he could be exciting to watch
https://youtu.be/m2GFqfVvaOw
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It's a loan in all but name.
Even if that was true,it leaves another loan spot available for match day squad still,so still better than a loan.
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As usual, some people always looking for the negatives. It is what it is and I'm sure DM has considered it carefully yet some of you think you know better!
Seem to recall Blades were after him at one point, possibly at the time when he ended up at Fleetwood. It's a start and let's hope DM gets the best out of him.
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One down how many still to go ?
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We needed attacking players and we’ve got one. That’s the big positive with, hopefully, a couple more to come.
The contract length doesn’t fit DM’s stated long term strategy for the Club, but first things first. He is, albeit, short term possibly, our player and that maybe suits him and us.
More to follow? I certainly hope so.
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It's a loan in all but name.
Even if that was true,it leaves another loan spot available for match day squad still,so still better than a loan.
I suspect that could explain what has happened. We wanted him on loan for rest of season but would have taken loan space so we bought him out of his contract for six months as his deal was running down. Perhaps?
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Any idea on squad number ?
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We have paid a fee for him according to the Wigan website
Loan end of 19/20
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It’s not a loan..
Yes the current deal is no longer than a loan may have been, but it’s not a loan, period.
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Until this morning, was Cole on any of our fans’ radars as a potential signing.?
He was on mine as he was rumoured to be someone we were interested in under Fergusons tenure
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At Bradford my mates said that he took the wrong option too many times and was greedy.
Hopefully he has moved on now with more experience.
And from my City mate: He was poor when we had him I'm afraid.
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I’m trying to work out how this deal fits in with what we’re told on Twitter regarding one deal would effect others.
Does this mean we’ve signed him now instead of idah on loan?
Maybe if the Ideh or a different Prem youngsters deal was off then we would have signed Cole on loan but we have made the deal for Cole a permanent one even though it’s only until May so it keeps that loan space available
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DC's record v Donny.... from what i can find.
02 Dec 14 - v Barnsley (Donny away) - 1:1 - full game - didn't score. League One
17 Oct 15 - v Bradford (Donny home) - 0:1 - full game - DC scored only goal. League One
23 Jan 16 - v Fleetwood (Donny away) - 0:0 - on as sub 59 min - didn't score. League One
18 Nov 17 - v Fleetwood (Donny away) - 0:0 - full game - didn't score. League One
5 May 18 - v Wigan (Donny home) - 0:1 - on as sub 89 min - didn't score. league One
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New song for him by the Beatles:
Hello, Goodbye
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Someone will find summat up wi it.
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Just wish it was a longer contract. In theory he's a good signing who i'd be confident Moore could improve. Looking at how much Gomes has come on is proof of the coaching going on behind the scenes. Hope is we extend beyond a year at the end of the season if he proves himself. If his attitude is terrible then it's better than having another Kiwomya picking a wage up for nothing.
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Motherwell fan who is a friend says, he's ok but never looks fit. Bit unsure of him, but lets give him a go.
Really don't get the contract situation.
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Injury prone and not many goals buy give him the benefit of the doubt I guess
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A good player at this level - folks would have been pleased had he signed in August.?
Wonder when this will get officially announced.?
Don't worry , I am sure there will be plenty to offer a different opinion :chair:
Well only scored 4 in 19 and another wide player when we need a front man, so it's a massive no from me.
hes deffo a striker looking at the highlights reel....
That's good news if I'm wrong thinking he was a wide man in Scotland. Now I've checked I see that even though he weighs 82kg he is over 6 foot so not too wide after all.
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I guarantee that if the lad hasn't scored half a dozen by the end of February, someone will be on his back... :silly:
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At Bradford my mates said that he took the wrong option too many times and was greedy.
Hopefully he has moved on now with more experience.
And from my City mate: He was poor when we had him I'm afraid.
Aye. I said the same about Brian Deane...
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Some of the negative comments already are disappointing. Not surprising though, we could sign Lionel Messi and someone would complain he's too short or old.
Devante Cole, let's see what he can do. Darren Moore is someone who can find the way to get him to his best, which is clearly a high level.
Someone mentioned whether he was a long-term target as Cole said he spoke to Darren last week, well from what I've read this deal has been in the works all month but what is likely is that Wigan were the stumbling block for a couple of weeks as the clubs tried to find common ground on the deal. That I expect was only sorted last week, at which time Cole was allowed to speak to Moore and Rovers himself to work out a contract.
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DC's record v Donny.... from what i can find.
02 Dec 14 - v Barnsley (Donny away) - 1:1 - full game - didn't score. League One
17 Oct 15 - v Bradford (Donny home) - 0:1 - full game - DC scored only goal. League One
23 Jan 16 - v Fleetwood (Donny away) - 0:0 - on as sub 59 min - didn't score. League One
18 Nov 17 - v Fleetwood (Donny away) - 0:0 - full game - didn't score. League One
5 May 18 - v Wigan (Donny home) - 0:1 - on as sub 89 min - didn't score. league One
Strangely, I remember him coming on for Fleetwood as a sub in that game in Jan 2016. I think they had just signed him and it was mentioned by one of their fans I was chatting to in the pub before the game that they'd signed Andy Cole's son
So I was watching out for him coming off the bench - I was sure he would score!
He looked useful but played a bit like a headless chicken, probably trying too hard.
Let's hope he settles quickly with us and adds something up front.
Agree that the contract sounds odd.
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At Bradford my mates said that he took the wrong option too many times and was greedy.
Hopefully he has moved on now with more experience.
And from my City mate: He was poor when we had him I'm afraid.
TBF my City mate is so pissed off with his team he would say that. A bit like Leeds fans they think they are better than they really are.
Aye. I said the same about Brian Deane...
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As per comments earlier in the thread, I was really happy with this one when the news broke. He’s nowhere near the finished article but he has a decent pedigree, height, pace and potential to get back on track when he settles here. The length of the contract is just perplexing. It smacks of yet another short term fix and an issue rolled forward to the summer.
We’re constantly having to review contracts. We’ve just 8 contracted senior players for next season, and as soon as that kicks off we’ll need to be mindful that, of that 8, Lawlor, Halliday, James, Wright and Gomes will be entering their last years meaning more decisions will need to be made about their futures.
It wouldn’t be so much of an issue but we don’t seem to progress things quickly. Rewind a year and Sadlier came in on an 18 month deal, presumably to show what he can do and earn an improved contract. Not sure what else he could do other than cement a place in the team as the top scorer and (second to Coppinger at the moment) assist maker and still that hasn’t been resolved.
If Devante Cole comes in and scores something approaching double figures in half a season then we’d better be acting quickly on his contract. And the rest.
The long term planning isn’t evident yet. And before anyone starts I’m not moaning for the sake of it. I am happy with this calibre of player. But where is the medium to long term structure? Or will that become clearer in the next few days.
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so many things that could have got in the way of a long-term/permanent deal, including what the play/his agent might have actually been looking for? e.g. maybe Devant wanted to play in championship, so he signed until end of season and if we get promoted we've got him in the bag etc etc
so many reasons why we only signed him to the summer. Let's just look at this as a huge positive, a proven striker with potential to become a great signing!
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We’re constantly having to review contracts. We’ve just 8 contracted senior players for next season, and as soon as that kicks off we’ll need to be mindful that, of that 8, Lawlor, Halliday, James, Wright and Gomes will be entering their last years meaning more decisions will need to be made about their futures.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this sort of decision making thing happens at every club..... :huh:
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I imagine we agreed to pay a portion of his wages until the end of the season as Wigan and Coke didn’t see a future together. I am not bothered about his lack of fitness or his apparent greedy attitude. The greed is self confidence which is good for a front man, it means he is trying to prove a point. The fitness comes with time. He is also quite young so still learning his craft. His record at this level is not bad at all so I am prettt happy.
I imagine if he does well we will extend his contract further.
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I wonder if we bought out his contract at Wigan and chose to run it down and review in the summer.... Wigan will then have received (or rather saved) some money from the deal - his wages until his contract expires - and we have got a player to fill a gap with the possibility to extend this if things work out...?
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I think it was Cole who scored in the 90th minute (was it for Crewe) to put them 2-1 up at the KM.
The ground virtually emptied but we scored two in add on time to win the match.
I was dashing out earlier and have now had time to check my facts on this.
The player I had in mind was Callum Saunders, not Devante Cole.
I knew that it was the son of a famous striker but for some reason thought it might have been Cole.
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Seems positive to me, he's at least an able striker which is what we needed. From the various youtube vids he clearly can pick out the net from close range in difficult situations. That's the goals of course, as for what he missed, who knows? Also his overall play we'll see.
Short term contract - who knows what the reasoning is there - fitness/injuries, money, him not being *the obvious ideal* player we're looking for, DM having irons in the fire for next season? I'm very happy with what I see so far with him and the contract, seems like wise purchasing to me.
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He's had attitude issues before so possibly could be to see how he is in the squad before extending, rather than having one bad egg.
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Looking at Devante’s comments the position of our team in the league pushing for playoffs. Therefore the initial contract length will be for us to look at him and for him to look at us. It may to see where we finish, could be about wages, could be we want to see how he handles league 1 again and his scoring record. So it’s a good signing it may not be the long term transfer but it appears to have suited both parties.
Now let’s move on to the next two please, permanent and loan. An attacking midfield player who can play the middle of the front three (scores goals ) and defensive qualities and another striker/ forward.
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We get a striker over the line
And they moan
We Buy the player on a short contract
And they moan
If we got another loan player
They would moan
Devante Cole as a short period to prove he should have a longer contract
Darren Moore as the remainder of the season to see if Devante.Can work in Darrens system
Instead of moaning thats good business
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Let's take this as positive,I'm pleasantly surprised 😳
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Let's take this as positive,I'm pleasantly surprised 😳
I don't know why you are surprised, as Wigan wanted rid we needed a striker although he has not scored many, but he could do us a job
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Ok, I'll get this one in before the usual suspects. He's in the last six months of his contract, he's able to talk to other clubs about a deal for next season :woot:
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We have an option to extend it, but is that 100% our decision, or has Cole got the ability to say no. Which effectly makes the option worthless?
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
His Dad is Southend’s forwards coach coincidentally
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
And Mandeville was slaughtered for not storming in and asking why he wasn't picked. :laugh:
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so many things that could have got in the way of a long-term/permanent deal, including what the play/his agent might have actually been looking for? e.g. maybe Devant wanted to play in championship, so he signed until end of season and if we get promoted we've got him in the bag etc etc
so many reasons why we only signed him to the summer. Let's just look at this as a huge positive, a proven striker with potential to become a great signing!
Absolutley spot on
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I would love to be a fly on the wall if Andrew Cole stormed in on Darren, that is if had the balls to do it in the 1st place😄
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As per comments earlier in the thread, I was really happy with this one when the news broke. He’s nowhere near the finished article but he has a decent pedigree, height, pace and potential to get back on track when he settles here. The length of the contract is just perplexing. It smacks of yet another short term fix and an issue rolled forward to the summer.
We’re constantly having to review contracts. We’ve just 8 contracted senior players for next season, and as soon as that kicks off we’ll need to be mindful that, of that 8, Lawlor, Halliday, James, Wright and Gomes will be entering their last years meaning more decisions will need to be made about their futures.
It wouldn’t be so much of an issue but we don’t seem to progress things quickly. Rewind a year and Sadlier came in on an 18 month deal, presumably to show what he can do and earn an improved contract. Not sure what else he could do other than cement a place in the team as the top scorer and (second to Coppinger at the moment) assist maker and still that hasn’t been resolved.
If Devante Cole comes in and scores something approaching double figures in half a season then we’d better be acting quickly on his contract. And the rest.
The long term planning isn’t evident yet. And before anyone starts I’m not moaning for the sake of it. I am happy with this calibre of player. But where is the medium to long term structure? Or will that become clearer in the next few days.
Jon I don’t think we will see the medium to long term structure until the summer ( hopefully).
We’ve signed a striker / forward who has something to prove.
Good luck to him I hope he can help us score more goals.
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
Well that's only part of the story .
Devante regularly turned up late for training which isn't likely to go down well with an old skool manager like Danny Wilson .
In the end Danny sent him packing back to Man City because he was more bother than he was worth .
It has to be said Devante was a young lad at the time and hopefully he's matured now .
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It’s not a loan..
Yes the current deal is no longer than a loan may have been, but it’s not a loan, period.
Yes , a strange one this , buy him but then offer new contract at the end . Leaves a a few loose ends ? Stay or leave for nothing . Let’s hope he likes it here and settles quickly with a few goals .
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Jeez ...I believe in Darren Moore’ s way....whatever it may be ..he certainly doesn’t need to double check with me on his deals ,,how about with you ?
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I'm sure I will get the best out of him if there is anything in him
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As I see it, it looks like if we can get him on form and fit we could have a good player.
As regards the contract for me I think it forces Cole to perform to earn a longer contract with us or try to impress so he can get somewhere else.
The clause in his contract to extend maybe - play x amount of games or score x amount of goals to instantly get the extra year.
Can’t see him messing about or being lazy Moore won’t stand for it and neither will whiteman on the pitch.
The last striker we got that didn’t have a great record we soon turned him around into a 1 in 3 player
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Great signing, give the lad a chance. Hope he gets a run out against Southend tomorrow.
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We've all been waiting for a forward. We have one. Happy!
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We've all been waiting for a forward. We have one. Happy!
Yes we have done well to get him in January. Don’t really know what some people expect.
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He has played against us for a number of clubs including Barnsley and Fleetwood and always looked a threat. If he's got half of his father's ability he will do well
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If he’d got half his fathers ability he wouldn’t be signing for us
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Welcome, welcome Devante Cole,
Now avante, & score a goal!
I know, pure genius.
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Let’s be honest he is a big step up from Thomas and Bingham so it’s a big plus, saying that you can’t fault the effort them 2 put in
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It’s not a loan..
Yes the current deal is no longer than a loan may have been, but it’s not a loan, period.
Yes , a strange one this , buy him but then offer new contract at the end . Leaves a a few loose ends ? Stay or leave for nothing . Let’s hope he likes it here and settles quickly with a few goals .
I blame the Board.
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
Well that's only part of the story .
Devante regularly turned up late for training which isn't likely to go down well with an old skool manager like Danny Wilson .
In the end Danny sent him packing back to Man City because he was more bother than he was worth .
It has to be said Devante was a young lad at the time and hopefully he's matured now .
I was going to say that but I would have been called a doom monger for telling the truth, because they don't like that on here
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
Well that's only part of the story .
Devante regularly turned up late for training which isn't likely to go down well with an old skool manager like Danny Wilson .
In the end Danny sent him packing back to Man City because he was more bother than he was worth .
It has to be said Devante was a young lad at the time and hopefully he's matured now .
I was going to say that but I would have been called a doom monger for telling the truth, because they don't like that on here
Who’s ‘they’ vicar?
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What is the truth?
A lot of what is posted is people making supposedly factual statements which can’t be substantiated because they are not facts and are only opinions.
People don’t like the truth? Yes they actually do. Well most of us do.
But their is a lot of garbage Vicar being posted, it’s not the truth. That’s the problem.
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It’s not the most exciting signing in the world, but he’s a good age, it’s a permanent and he is a relatively big name. We could’ve and we have signed a lot worse in the past so he will definitely get a chance from me.
People going on about his past at Barnsley etc like they’ve never made a mistake in life, when I was a younger lad I was often late to work and my attitude was probably quite poor towards most things... am I the same person I was 5 or 6 years ago? Not at all....
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It’s not the most exciting signing in the world, but he’s a good age, it’s a permanent and he is a relatively big name. We could’ve and we have signed a lot worse in the past so he will definitely get a chance from me.
People going on about his past at Barnsley etc like they’ve never made a mistake in life, when I was a younger lad I was often late to work and my attitude was probably quite poor towards most things... am I the same person I was 5 or 6 years ago? Not at all....
You mean you are not Jackthelad any more. ;)
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Good signing... dont think it's been greedy or sounding too much like Oliver Twist to say... can we have some more please..
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
Well that's only part of the story .
Devante regularly turned up late for training which isn't likely to go down well with an old skool manager like Danny Wilson .
In the end Danny sent him packing back to Man City because he was more bother than he was worth .
It has to be said Devante was a young lad at the time and hopefully he's matured now .
I was going to say that but I would have been called a doom monger for telling the truth, because they don't like that on here
Who’s ‘they’ vicar?
a lot on here as if you say anything about the players the club or the directors even if true, they call toy a doom monger, but I must say they have not said that about me, or I don't think they have lol
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What about Ennis can't drop after his performance on Friday, laying 2 up front?
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I don't see how this could have worked out any better for the club, maybe a few nerves would have benefitted if it had happened earlier on in the window but DM has his man, a man with a lot to prove, win-win. This could be the launch pad to a play off position and who knows what?
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It’s a good signing for me , but if we had signed him or a striker as good as him months ago at a guess we would be quite a few points better off than we are now
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We certainly have a compact squad but we have every base fully covered:
Dieng, Jones and Lawlor on 24 hr recall.
Halliday, Blair at right back. James, John and Amos at left back.
Anderson, Wright, John, Baptiste (soon) and Sheaf at centre back.
Whiteman, Sheaf and Gomes in centre midfield.
Sadlier, Blair, Copps, Taylor, Bingham, Watters in the attacking three.
Ennis and Cole in the one up.
We are a bit light in numbers and variety in centre midfield and also another option up front, maybe to allow either Cole or Ennis to drop to the attacking three if need be for some variety.
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As you've laid it out there CBCB, I do think that our priorities in terms of depth should be to strengthen in central midfield and up front. Cole is a very good start to that.
Also worth adding that Watters can play up front too, as he did for a brief time on Friday night.
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We certainly have a compact squad but we have every base fully covered:
Dieng, Jones and Lawlor on 24 hr recall.
Halliday, Blair at right back. James, John and Amos at left back.
Anderson, Wright, John, Baptiste (soon) and Sheaf at centre back.
Whiteman, Sheaf and Gomes in centre midfield.
Sadlier, Blair, Copps, Taylor, Bingham, Watters in the attacking three.
Ennis and Cole in the one up.
We are a bit light in numbers and variety in centre midfield and also another option up front, maybe to allow either Cole or Ennis to drop to the attacking three if need be for some variety.
for me we need another RB. We can't have Blair as cover (square pegs in round holes etc). We need another "playmaker" in midfield and ideally a couple more forwards, maybe a "poacher" to play with the "targetmen" we already have. I also reckon Bingham will have played his last game for us.
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It’s a good signing for me , but if we had signed him or a striker as good as him months ago at a guess we would be quite a few points better off than we are now
Not including Jan 1st we have played 4 times since the window opened, won two drawn one lost one..
Perhaps we would have posed more of a threat and maybe taken one more point vs Coventry.
We have got 10 points from the last 5 games, 13 from 7..
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His attitude comes from his dad. Barnsley had trouble with his dad when he was there, if he was not picked his dad stormed in wanting to know why he was not playing, so if he does that here I hope DM tells him to do one and to keep his nose out
Well that's only part of the story .
Devante regularly turned up late for training which isn't likely to go down well with an old skool manager like Danny Wilson .
In the end Danny sent him packing back to Man City because he was more bother than he was worth .
It has to be said Devante was a young lad at the time and hopefully he's matured now .
I was going to say that but I would have been called a doom monger for telling the truth, because they don't like that on here
Who’s ‘they’ vicar?
a lot on here as if you say anything about the players the club or the directors even if true, they call toy a doom monger, but I must say they have not said that about me, or I don't think they have lol
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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From the WIGAN forum
Cole gone to Doncaster on a permanent move, with his initial contact until the end of the year.
I know he never really did much for us, but could argue he never got the chance with a run in the team. The few times we did see him, he looked like he had some pace and could've possibly made things happen, though that was at L1 level... With that said, you could argue he's potentially just as good as Massey, Jacobs or Lowe who have now had ample opportunity to show us what they can do and rarely fail to disappoint.
Not saying Cole was great by any standards, but was he worse than others who've had chance after chance after chance and achieved very little? And could he have improved with a run in the team as others haven't?
No doubt he's gone either free or for pennies... Another waste. Got to wonder if 🤡 being a Liverpool fan and Cole's old man being a United legend counted against young Cole getting a fair shot at proving himself... I'd say the vast majority of managers would be more professional than to have that accusation leveled at them, but professionalism seems to be an anathema to Cook, whose team selection appears to be based entirely on who are his drinking buddies.
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From the WIGAN forum
Cole gone to Doncaster on a permanent move, with his initial contact until the end of the year.
I know he never really did much for us, but could argue he never got the chance with a run in the team. The few times we did see him, he looked like he had some pace and could've possibly made things happen, though that was at L1 level... With that said, you could argue he's potentially just as good as Massey, Jacobs or Lowe who have now had ample opportunity to show us what they can do and rarely fail to disappoint.
Not saying Cole was great by any standards, but was he worse than others who've had chance after chance after chance and achieved very little? And could he have improved with a run in the team as others haven't?
No doubt he's gone either free or for pennies... Another waste. Got to wonder if 🤡 being a Liverpool fan and Cole's old man being a United legend counted against young Cole getting a fair shot at proving himself... I'd say the vast majority of managers would be more professional than to have that accusation leveled at them, but professionalism seems to be an anathema to Cook, whose team selection appears to be based entirely on who are his drinking buddies.
The guy who wrote that should join this forum...with conspiracy theories like that last paragraph he'd be right at home on here!
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It’s a good signing for me , but if we had signed him or a striker as good as him months ago at a guess we would be quite a few points better off than we are now
Not including Jan 1st we have played 4 times since the window opened, won two drawn one lost one..
Perhaps we would have posed more of a threat and maybe taken one more point vs Coventry.
We have got 10 points from the last 5 games, 13 from 7..
i was thinking more when Ennis was out injured I should have made clearer sorry
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Ok no worries..
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Not wishing to be negative but I really didn't think we'd get to Jan 28th and only have got one signing 'over the line'.
It's getting very last minute to add a couple more, which is what I feel we need.
Stay calm......
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Cole is at least a good alternative for Ennis, he's a different player, he gives us options. But I think DM likes a style that has two out and out strikers, this could be very interesting and exciting to watch on the field.
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What an excellent signing, welcome Devante Cole & well done all concerned for bringing him in.
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Hopefully he will start tonight. Should be match fit and ready to go. I know he won’t have trained much but that shouldn’t matter
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Can’t see him starting tonight
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Nor can I donnievic, to put him straight into the firing line with a starting berth would only put undue pressure on him to get goals and that's never likely to be productive. I expect him to get last 30 minutes and hope to nick one to get him off to a good start.
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Taken squad number 44. Means the 9 shirt is still open...
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No one saw it coming either I don't think - just how it should be!
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Taken squad number 44. Means the 9 shirt is still open...
It’s the hope that kills you ;)
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44 is his number, just like what 26 is to Copps
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So - a first (albeit short) outing last night - any views people...?
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Looks quite strong, physical, that sort of thing.. didn’t get much of a sight of goal so too early to give much of an opinion..
Did nowt wrong in his cameo however.
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Thought he did OK. Had that chance at the end when he made a shooting chance which got blocked.
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Attacking movement was good, looked to get in and around penalty area when he could. Also won a couple of headers from long ball, but we didn't pick up on them. Ennis tries to role the defender too much for me and often doesn't even attempt to meet/head the ball - so this is another positive.
Actually would like to see Ennis and Cole play together, but not sure how that fits with DM's favored formation.
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Thought he did OK. Had that chance at the end when he made a shooting chance which got blocked.
thought he was unlucky with that, he controlled the ball well, a quick half turn and got a shot off. if it wasnt for the defenders block, it was probably a debut goal. A fox in the box is deffo something we have been lacking,,,,
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Looked like he could become a fans favourite, a couple of classy touches, look forward to seeing more of him, and well done Black Bank for giving him a good welcome, we could be a good club for him
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Looked like he could become a fans favourite, a couple of classy touches, look forward to seeing more of him, and well done Black Bank for giving him a good welcome, we could be a good club for him
Wonder what he made from the reception, it was brilliant to be fair
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I heard it on the ifollow but could make the word's out
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I heard it on the ifollow but could make the word's out
Hey, hey baby
(Ooh aah)
I wanna know (oh ooh)
Devante Cole
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Well done black bank! Could here the Devante welcome loud and clear in the East stand!!! 👍😀⚽️⚽️
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Very audible on ifollow so no doubt also in the ground and a great welcome, but I do think it’s a shame the fans couldn’t make a similar amount of noise for our star performers last night like James, Sadlier and Ennis.
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Ennis must be wondering why we don’t have a song for him when he has been here all season and the new boy gets his song instantly.