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The 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
Quote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 02:39:56 pmThe 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!A straight question Alan. If a manager is given the resources that match any other clubs in the top 10 of that division where do you think he should finish?
To be a sustainable club in the premiership without spending any more money is a pipe dream.
Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
QuoteTo be a sustainable club in the premiership without spending any more money is a pipe dream.Who mentioned Premiership?
Quote from: Cantley Rover on June 07, 2018, 02:19:05 pmAt the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
Quote from: RedJ on June 07, 2018, 12:25:53 pmAll of the above is based on very little actual fact lol.I havent quoted anything but you like your dig.
All of the above is based on very little actual fact lol.
Quote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 02:59:34 pmHang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry. The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?And a secondary question as well.Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off. Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something? My question to you is:Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
Quote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 03:34:54 pmSM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off. Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something? My question to you is:Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?I thought we wanted to get promoted this season, surely that’s a top 2 aim?
Quote from: GazLaz on June 07, 2018, 03:43:05 pmQuote from: Alan Southstand on June 07, 2018, 03:34:54 pmSM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off. Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something? My question to you is:Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?I thought we wanted to get promoted this season, surely that’s a top 2 aim?Does it not count if you win the playoffs then? I suppose they must be the penalties of promotion methods...
The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on June 07, 2018, 04:56:16 pmThe thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain. This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack.
Quote from: GazLaz on June 07, 2018, 05:03:26 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on June 07, 2018, 04:56:16 pmThe thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain. This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack. Why on earth would Peterborough and Lutons budgets be higher ?
Quote from: Boomstick on June 07, 2018, 05:10:11 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 07, 2018, 05:03:26 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on June 07, 2018, 04:56:16 pmThe thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain. This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack. Why on earth would Peterborough and Lutons budgets be higher ? Peterborough have paid big wages for a while now and receiving millions for their best two players this summer won’t slow down that spending. Luton’s budget last season was huge and they are planning to push on again. Just about to sign Sonny Bradley on massive money which shows their intent. Blew Plymouth’s contract offer out of the water.