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There is lots of evidence that hirers consciously or sub-consciously discriminate against people who are from backgrounds that are different to theirs. People like to think that they are open and fair minded, but the evidence is that most of us are not. What the Rooney Rule does it to try to break through this by requiring that a black coach would be given a chance to make a case. No more than that. The idea is that, over time, two things would happen. Firstly, excellent black coaches would have more chance of getting hired. Secondly, the presence of more role models would lead to more black people having the aspiration to become managers, thereby increasing the pool of potential talent.No one is saying that a crap black manager should be given a job over an excellent white one. Just that black coaches should be given a chance to make a pitch. Of course it's a shame that Paul Ince should be wheeled out, when he was a crap manager. But that doesn't chance the basic sense behind the Rooney Rule.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2014, 09:16:30 amThere is lots of evidence that hirers consciously or sub-consciously discriminate against people who are from backgrounds that are different to theirs. People like to think that they are open and fair minded, but the evidence is that most of us are not. What the Rooney Rule does it to try to break through this by requiring that a black coach would be given a chance to make a case. No more than that. The idea is that, over time, two things would happen. Firstly, excellent black coaches would have more chance of getting hired. Secondly, the presence of more role models would lead to more black people having the aspiration to become managers, thereby increasing the pool of potential talent.No one is saying that a crap black manager should be given a job over an excellent white one. Just that black coaches should be given a chance to make a pitch. Of course it's a shame that Paul Ince should be wheeled out, when he was a crap manager. But that doesn't chance the basic sense behind the Rooney Rule.Thanks for explaining what was stated in the article in the OP
Quote from: RJHeader on September 30, 2014, 09:20:32 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2014, 09:16:30 amThere is lots of evidence that hirers consciously or sub-consciously discriminate against people who are from backgrounds that are different to theirs. People like to think that they are open and fair minded, but the evidence is that most of us are not. What the Rooney Rule does it to try to break through this by requiring that a black coach would be given a chance to make a case. No more than that. The idea is that, over time, two things would happen. Firstly, excellent black coaches would have more chance of getting hired. Secondly, the presence of more role models would lead to more black people having the aspiration to become managers, thereby increasing the pool of potential talent.No one is saying that a crap black manager should be given a job over an excellent white one. Just that black coaches should be given a chance to make a pitch. Of course it's a shame that Paul Ince should be wheeled out, when he was a crap manager. But that doesn't chance the basic sense behind the Rooney Rule.Thanks for explaining what was stated in the article in the OPThe article in the original OP is about a spat between Tony Kleanthous and Greg Clarke about this subject not being raised at the recent FL meet at Walsall.You obviously didn't read it.
The main article was about the spat between two FA Council members. We all know what the Rooney rule is about, and in typical BBC fashion they provided a definition. That doesn't change what the article was about.
Quote from: silent majority on September 30, 2014, 10:05:44 amThe main article was about the spat between two FA Council members. We all know what the Rooney rule is about, and in typical BBC fashion they provided a definition. That doesn't change what the article was about.Bit of a sweeping statement there SM, I for one had no idea what it was
How many non black managers are currently plying their trade in "Black" countries.How many "Black" managers manage "Black" national sides.
Ability should be the first call, not race, gender, sexuality, nationality, whatever.
1. But those countries don't have lots of home grown white football players over the last 30 years.If you accept that most good managers are ex-professional footballers then surely the number of managers should reflect the number of players of any particular colour? you state 'More availability of 'non black' - but that is the point, because of the number of black footballers we have we should expect to see more black managers and coaches - if not, why not? Personally I think the issue is more deep rooted than just management - to be a good manager you need to serve your time as a coach - and we don't have enough black coaches.2. International football is dominated by the rich European leagues (expect for a couple south american teams - but even thier best players soon come to Europe), the best managers are perceived to come from the bigger clubs (more experience etc) and these are white dominated.
Quote from: Donny Viking on September 30, 2014, 12:31:32 pm1. But those countries don't have lots of home grown white football players over the last 30 years.If you accept that most good managers are ex-professional footballers then surely the number of managers should reflect the number of players of any particular colour? you state 'More availability of 'non black' - but that is the point, because of the number of black footballers we have we should expect to see more black managers and coaches - if not, why not? Personally I think the issue is more deep rooted than just management - to be a good manager you need to serve your time as a coach - and we don't have enough black coaches.2. International football is dominated by the rich European leagues (expect for a couple south american teams - but even thier best players soon come to Europe), the best managers are perceived to come from the bigger clubs (more experience etc) and these are white dominated.Ok then. IF 25% of footballers are of "Black" roots, you say 25%( of the 25% ) so 1/16 ( 6 in number )of managers pro rata should be the same.That always assumes that for any vacant post 25% of applicants are black.I wonder in the past, when a managerial vacancy has arisen at DRFC, how many applicants were black, or come to think of it, how many applicants at any club , for any managerial post were black/Brown/Yellow. How can you say "International football" in places like Nigeria, BF, Senegal, etc are dominated by European leagues. That is not correct at all. Of course the best players will inevitably end up in Europe, as the pay is infinitely greater, but it still does not answer as to why there are no ( or few ) Black coaches or managers in predominantly black countries.
The PFA says about 18% of players on their coaching courses are black or from other ethnic minoritiesThere are 192 Uefa Pro Licence owners in England, and 14 of those are black coachesAbout 25% of players in the professional game are non-whiteThere were five black managers in English professional football last season but, of Chris Hughton, Chris Powell, Paul Ince, Chris Kiwomya and Edgar Davids, only Powell now has a job
Quote from: swintonrover on September 30, 2014, 12:23:35 pmAbility should be the first call, not race, gender, sexuality, nationality, whatever.Ability should be paramount DESPITE any of the above differences. We have to be careful though that it is not judged in favour of them BECAUSE of it.