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Just heard Johnson describe the situation in Ukraine as “Painful,violent and bloody business” if the Russians invade….. this is terrifying isn’t it?
And every time we turn the thermostat up, we are funding Putin's war machine. I thought he would invade over Xmas/New Year.I see he's also got Naval manoeuvres off the Irish coast coming up.
If think Russia and China will invade Ukraine and Taiwan at the same time, and North Korea will be in on the act and possibly Iran
Ukraine is now a democratic country.It is they who are wanting to decide their own future. If Putin decides he wants to force them back into a Russian empire, I think he'll find he has a fight on his hands.
Quote from: River Don on January 25, 2022, 12:06:35 pmUkraine is now a democratic country.It is they who are wanting to decide their own future. If Putin decides he wants to force them back into a Russian empire, I think he'll find he has a fight on his hands.It's the equivalent of having an independent Scotland having Russian military forces based there.If the Ukraine is so democratic why did they feel the need for the EU backed revolution. The west should give Putin what he wants in return for a better deal on gas supplies, everyone's a winner.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on January 25, 2022, 01:20:00 pmQuote from: River Don on January 25, 2022, 12:06:35 pmUkraine is now a democratic country.It is they who are wanting to decide their own future. If Putin decides he wants to force them back into a Russian empire, I think he'll find he has a fight on his hands.It's the equivalent of having an independent Scotland having Russian military forces based there.If the Ukraine is so democratic why did they feel the need for the EU backed revolution. The west should give Putin what he wants in return for a better deal on gas supplies, everyone's a winner.Everyone's a winner?The Ukrainians aren't. I doubt the rest of Europe would be in the face of an emboldened dictator like Putin.In this case its right to oppose the Russians, not directly but by funding and supporting Ukraine. Its always right to oppose dictators, fascists and communists, extremists of every hue because ultimately in doing so we're protecting our own interests.
Quote from: River Don on January 25, 2022, 02:09:10 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on January 25, 2022, 01:20:00 pmQuote from: River Don on January 25, 2022, 12:06:35 pmUkraine is now a democratic country.It is they who are wanting to decide their own future. If Putin decides he wants to force them back into a Russian empire, I think he'll find he has a fight on his hands.It's the equivalent of having an independent Scotland having Russian military forces based there.If the Ukraine is so democratic why did they feel the need for the EU backed revolution. The west should give Putin what he wants in return for a better deal on gas supplies, everyone's a winner.Everyone's a winner?The Ukrainians aren't. I doubt the rest of Europe would be in the face of an emboldened dictator like Putin.In this case its right to oppose the Russians, not directly but by funding and supporting Ukraine. Its always right to oppose dictators, fascists and communists, extremists of every hue because ultimately in doing so we're protecting our own interests.So you think it's ok to antagonize the bear by parking NATO on their front door step?
The first lesson is have a fully independent fuel supply and don't be reliant on others, we were once the only country in western Europe with an excess of power with oil, natural gas and oil. The greens have had their way, we are now s existing with a large proportion of the population in fuel poverty, and prices being forced up by the market. Meanwhile and sit down lads China have just produced another record months coal output at Over 374 million tons in December a year on year increase of 7.8% and increasing. And still the thicko's in this country will sit in the road, but I notice not while they are cold and damp best wait until at least spring.
Quote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:34:32 pm The first lesson is have a fully independent fuel supply and don't be reliant on others, we were once the only country in western Europe with an excess of power with oil, natural gas and oil. The greens have had their way, we are now s existing with a large proportion of the population in fuel poverty, and prices being forced up by the market. Meanwhile and sit down lads China have just produced another record months coal output at Over 374 million tons in December a year on year increase of 7.8% and increasing. And still the thicko's in this country will sit in the road, but I notice not while they are cold and damp best wait until at least spring. I just can't get my head around the mind set of these self righteous 'WOKE twits who find it amusing to disrupt the economy and think it's a joke, they need to take some positive action against the two mega Polluters China 27% of all world Pollution and The USA 11% of total world pollution. The 'WOKES' need to put their shoulders to the Cart and take on the real problem polluters.
It seems like an uneven fight if you compare the military might of Russia against that of the Ukraine.https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-vs-ukraine-military/31664931.htmlHowever, the injection of ammunition, weapons, and other military supplies into the Ukraine are not unsubstantial and Russia would be wise not to underestimate the determination to fight within the Ukraine... After all of this dick-waving it may just turn out to be Putin man-spreading to let everyone know that Russia still has clout....... let's hope so.