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I'm just going to be rude today just like you are a lot of the time when you insult people's intelligence bp.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 10:56:56 amQuote from: SydneyRover on August 24, 2021, 09:14:47 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 08:56:55 amWhat would you do now Sydney and for the coming months?That wasn't the question pud, you tell me, I was saying that johnson was glacially slow to act would you like to comment on that?You didn't ask me a question I asked you one? It's easy to say you wouldn't do something afterwards but what would you do for the rest of this year?I'd say include India in the red zone along with Pakistan and Bangladesh and then take it from there pud, what would you do.I would have followed the science followed the findings from Cygnus, locked down earlier at each crisis point until the vaccine rollout was completed as far as possible and wouldn't have freedom days nor eat out to get covid all that stuff, then maybe more mums, dads, grandparents, friends and neighbours would be still alive today and not so many people would have long covid. I would have allowed the purpose built entity to source all the ppe instead of giving the contracts to my chums and then maybe 600 medical stall would not have died pud. That's what I would have done, if you want to know what happens next ask those that supported johnson and those that still do, now we back at 100 deaths a day.
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 24, 2021, 09:14:47 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 08:56:55 amWhat would you do now Sydney and for the coming months?That wasn't the question pud, you tell me, I was saying that johnson was glacially slow to act would you like to comment on that?You didn't ask me a question I asked you one? It's easy to say you wouldn't do something afterwards but what would you do for the rest of this year?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 08:56:55 amWhat would you do now Sydney and for the coming months?That wasn't the question pud, you tell me, I was saying that johnson was glacially slow to act would you like to comment on that?
What would you do now Sydney and for the coming months?
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 24, 2021, 11:06:04 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 10:56:56 amQuote from: SydneyRover on August 24, 2021, 09:14:47 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 08:56:55 amWhat would you do now Sydney and for the coming months?That wasn't the question pud, you tell me, I was saying that johnson was glacially slow to act would you like to comment on that?You didn't ask me a question I asked you one? It's easy to say you wouldn't do something afterwards but what would you do for the rest of this year?I'd say include India in the red zone along with Pakistan and Bangladesh and then take it from there pud, what would you do.I would have followed the science followed the findings from Cygnus, locked down earlier at each crisis point until the vaccine rollout was completed as far as possible and wouldn't have freedom days nor eat out to get covid all that stuff, then maybe more mums, dads, grandparents, friends and neighbours would be still alive today and not so many people would have long covid. I would have allowed the purpose built entity to source all the ppe instead of giving the contracts to my chums and then maybe 600 medical stall would not have died pud. That's what I would have done, if you want to know what happens next ask those that supported johnson and those that still do, now we back at 100 deaths a day.whose science would you have followed sage? Or Indy sage?
Still astonishing how Trump support and anti-vax attitudes go hand in hand in America.Meanwhile, the Trump supporting Southern states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida and Alabama are seeing daily cases and in some cases, deaths per capita head towards or overtake the worst we saw last winter.Just madness. And so unnecessary.
In my experience there are without doubt educated idiots. Some can I suppose put their mind to learning facts and pass exams but nevertheless can't apply themselves very well to the life beyond.And there are plenty of clever people who have never passed exams or in many cases never had the opportunity to learn and pass exams.But I also think the cleverest people are always very well educated and the thickest completely uneducated.The world isn't clear cut. Political theories aren't perfect. Even scientific theories are often wrong and constantly being refined. Life isn't perfect and I think very often we aren't very good at dealing with that. We like certainty but usually there isn't any.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 24, 2021, 06:55:24 amQuote from: SydneyRover on August 22, 2021, 10:32:57 pmQuote from: drfchound on August 22, 2021, 06:07:43 pmBlackpool, you didn’t suggest we close our borders be closed until the virus has gone did you?Yep, spot on there hound if we'd had closed the borders to those coming from India it could have prevented thousands getting delta virus, too slow.Nonsense The delta variant is popping up everywhere now, we had it early doors but unless you’re implying countries should keep the borders closed for ever, then it’s not the solution. As soon as New Zealand, Australia etc relax their borders they’re going to go the same way as we did. All they’re doing is delaying the inevitable Look at America, everybody lauded them for not having much of the delta at the beginning now it’s spreading like wildfire 115k new cases yesterday and ober 400 deathsOh dickos, ask yourself why we had it early doors, do you reckon it was anything to with the Indian community returning to the Manchester area and surrounds. Where were the biggest case loads very early doors?While you're searching your memory banks have a look for where I suggested locking down forever, get yourself another straight-man.
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 22, 2021, 10:32:57 pmQuote from: drfchound on August 22, 2021, 06:07:43 pmBlackpool, you didn’t suggest we close our borders be closed until the virus has gone did you?Yep, spot on there hound if we'd had closed the borders to those coming from India it could have prevented thousands getting delta virus, too slow.Nonsense The delta variant is popping up everywhere now, we had it early doors but unless you’re implying countries should keep the borders closed for ever, then it’s not the solution. As soon as New Zealand, Australia etc relax their borders they’re going to go the same way as we did. All they’re doing is delaying the inevitable Look at America, everybody lauded them for not having much of the delta at the beginning now it’s spreading like wildfire 115k new cases yesterday and ober 400 deaths
Quote from: drfchound on August 22, 2021, 06:07:43 pmBlackpool, you didn’t suggest we close our borders be closed until the virus has gone did you?Yep, spot on there hound if we'd had closed the borders to those coming from India it could have prevented thousands getting delta virus, too slow.
Blackpool, you didn’t suggest we close our borders be closed until the virus has gone did you?
Sydney you’ve been asked what would you do now moving forward but you can’t answer.You’ll wait until Christmas and be back on here saying the government should’ve done this and that. You’ve got nothing to add other than looking back in hindsight. Delta will get all around the world, regardless whether that’s now, 6 months ago or a year in the future. Closing the borders would’ve just delayed the inevitable, borders can’t be closed forever, getting it in the U.K. early May have done us a favour.And above is my reply, showing you being totally wrong so I don't think you are in a to ask me anything until you explain how you got that so arse about dickos, did I miss your reply or your apology, I don't think so aye dickos.So do yourself a favour and stop reading the express or the tele hehe.
You seem a little obsessed with the past and India, but ignoring the question about the future?
What?I’ve never suggested I disagree we got it early doors, I’m saying if we’d closed borders immediately we wouldn’t have kept them closed forever so delta would’ve got in at a later date as is proving to be the case around the world right now. So getting it in earlier May turn out to be not such a bad thing
Keeping the virus out while getting high numbers vaccinated is the name of the game dickos, no matter how you read or evaluate, explain why India wasn't on the Red List and then I could possible understand your thinking on this.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.
So in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.
Bizarre discussion.We've driven the bus off a cliff. But let's not criticise the driver. Criticise the people who said the driver was incompetent because they don't know how to get the passengers out of the wreckage.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 25, 2021, 07:56:42 amWhat?I’ve never suggested I disagree we got it early doors, I’m saying if we’d closed borders immediately we wouldn’t have kept them closed forever so delta would’ve got in at a later date as is proving to be the case around the world right now. So getting it in earlier May turn out to be not such a bad thing Quote from: SydneyRover on August 25, 2021, 08:02:07 amKeeping the virus out while getting high numbers vaccinated is the name of the game dickos, no matter how you read or evaluate, explain why India wasn't on the Red List and then I could possible understand your thinking on this.[/b]Doesn't look like you wish to discuss this dickos, why was India when it had more covid cases than it's immediate neighbour wasn't on the same Red LIst as both of it's immediate neighbours. I'll help you out here dickos, it's political nothing to do with the health of the British people. If it was better as you suggest to get more people infected early door why was there a list at all.Further, as you appear think 100 deaths a day is not a bad thing apparently, when should restrictions be tightened at 120-150-200 a day, what is acceptable in your world?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 25, 2021, 09:51:28 amBizarre discussion.We've driven the bus off a cliff. But let's not criticise the driver. Criticise the people who said the driver was incompetent because they don't know how to get the passengers out of the wreckage. It’s only bizarre if you want to keep pedalling the same argument. And it’s not as bizarre as your analogy. You’re trying to come to conclusions halfway through again, Delta will make it’s why around the world regardless of whether a country has closed its borders or not, Once they open they’ll get it.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 24, 2021, 06:02:05 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.As long as i'm not as thick as you are arrogant. Very condescending aren't you?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on August 25, 2021, 09:54:24 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 24, 2021, 06:02:05 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.As long as i'm not as thick as you are arrogant. Very condescending aren't you?ALRead what I wrote. I[/] didn't call you thick. I said Johnson thinks you are thick. He thinks he can peddle lies to you which you could check yourself to be lies. But he thinks you won't do that. You'll just swallow the lie.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 24, 2021, 06:02:05 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.As long as i'm not as thick as you are arrogant. Very condescending aren't you?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on August 24, 2021, 04:04:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.Just ridiculous how this "Captain Hindsight" concept has taken hold. It shows how easily some folk can be led if they aren't prepared to engage their own brains.For the record, here's a quick list off the top of my head of things that Starmer and the Labour party was saying we should do AT THE TIME that the Govt was f**king up on its decisions.1) April 2021 - Restrict travel from India2) December 2020 - Toughen up regulations over Xmas3) November 2020 - Impose stricter restrictions than the Tier system.4) October 2020 - Bring in sharp lockdown to slow down the outbreak.On 2, Johnson criticised Starmer AT THE TIME for wanting to "cancel Xmas". Instead we delayed toughening restrictions and the number of cases and deaths (and the length of the inevitable lockdown when it finally did come) increased threefold.On 4, the Tories were putting out adverts throughout October saying that Labour was the party who wanted lockdowns. The eventually they had to impose a lockdown. And then Johnson started calling Starmer "Captain Hindsight" for only criticising Govt action after the event.All of what I have said above is established fact. You can inform yourself about it in 5 mins if you really want to. But I don't think you really want to, do you?You are being treated like a brainless idiot by this "Hindsight" line. They assume you are too thick to realise you're being mislead.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 24, 2021, 03:02:14 pmSo in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.A bit like Keir Starmer. He's good at pointing out errors others make in hindsight but has no ideas of his own.
So in answer to my question, bar preventing a few other bits of travel would you do anything else? You've mainly talked past not future.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 25, 2021, 10:32:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 25, 2021, 09:51:28 amBizarre discussion.We've driven the bus off a cliff. But let's not criticise the driver. Criticise the people who said the driver was incompetent because they don't know how to get the passengers out of the wreckage. It’s only bizarre if you want to keep pedalling the same argument. And it’s not as bizarre as your analogy. You’re trying to come to conclusions halfway through again, Delta will make it’s why around the world regardless of whether a country has closed its borders or not, Once they open they’ll get it. DickosYes Delta will make its way around the world. But you are missing a vital point. Herd Immunity through vaccination. And that makes all the difference. But you need to understand how HI works to realise why we have f**ked up.HI works by making it harder for the virus to spread. As more and more people are resistant to the virus, eventually R drops below 1 and the number of new cases starts to decline. HI doesn't act as a switch. It's a long process. But what really matters then is how bad your outbreak is when the decline starts. If you have 60000 cases per day as R goes below 1, it's going to take a hell of a lot longer to get cases down to manageable levels than if you have 6000. Which is why Germany is in a far better position to handle Delta than we are. Because they took sensible precautions to keep the numbers low while they ramped up vaccination to approach HI.
DickosWe hear that line regularly from people who want to deflect criticism from the Govt. Think about what it actually means if you interpret it. "Other countries might be appear to be doing better than us right now. But let's not learn from them and see if they have policies which are working better than ours. If we wait long enough, they might have problems too and then we won't look so bad."In the specific case of Germany, they currently have a per capita COVID death toll about half ours. Which suggests that they have indeed managed things WAY better than we have, and that there may be lessons for us. What you are saying is "Just wait 6 months. Germany might have 70,000 deaths more than we have over that period and then they'd be as bad as us. And there'd have been nothing for us to learn from them."[/quoteThe only reason Germany has done better than us is because they don’t have a section of the Population that has roots in India and they did not have that section tooing and froing on extended family visits and merrily infecting us with Type D.