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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Barmby Rover on January 02, 2024, 10:22:42 am
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In on Wednesday according to GM in his post match, it will be interesting to see who, and why they have been signed.
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It's alright getting players in but we need some to leave. We must have the biggest squad in the league.
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I think it highly likely Roberts' loan will be ended, and possibly Marsh as well?
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I think it’s been well documented who the two are.
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I only know of the one from Bolton, who's the other?
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I only know of the one from Bolton, who's the other?
McGrath from St Pat's.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
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McGrath looks a unit for 20yrs old.
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So we sign the Magna Carty on Wednesday then.
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So we sign the Magna Carty on Wednesday then.
Probably about lunchtime, about quarter past twelve :blush: :lol:
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
Players of that age need carefully managing in relation to the minutes they get and can’t be brought in with an expectation of starting every week and being dependable. It’s probably not going to happen.
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Charlie Lakin in as a Crawford type player in midfield? Left footed so could slot in in the place of Rowe as a useful squad player but his legs would be very useful in this press.
6 months left at Burton.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
Players of that age need carefully managing in relation to the minutes they get and can’t be brought in with an expectation of starting every week and being dependable. It’s probably not going to happen.
I just look at the players we have had in the past who people were excited about and they never made it. I look at what we have now and many wont agree but, im not confident Faulkner, Goodman Kuleya are good enough to make a career in the football league. Faulkner has a chance but there is a reason he has not played as much football as some fans think he should and my personal opinion is that a lot of our supporters want him in because hes a local lad, hes fully committed and people infront of him have not been performing. Again my opinion is he is not that good and bringing him into the team on previous form only puts him in the firing line for the fans to rip him a new one as his weakness's would be found out even more rather than improve the teams results/ performances.
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Played in our 3 nil win yesterday
Sam Straughan Brown Age 17
Tavolga Kuleya Age 19
Tom Nixon Age 21
Kyle Hurst Age 21
Mo Faal Age 20
Jack Goodman Age 18
Subs not used
Bobby Faulkener Age 19
Ben Bottomley Age 21
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The 2 players rumoured are attack and central defence. I hope the MoJo partnership will still be together, come end of season, but if it does terminate this month, we need to attackers signing if GM wants 3 in the squad.
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:boxing:
Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
Players of that age need carefully managing in relation to the minutes they get and can’t be brought in with an expectation of starting every week and being dependable. It’s probably not going to happen.
I just look at the players we have had in the past who people were excited about and they never made it. I look at what we have now and many wont agree but, im not confident Faulkner, Goodman Kuleya are good enough to make a career in the football league. Faulkner has a chance but there is a reason he has not played as much football as some fans think he should and my personal opinion is that a lot of our supporters want him in because hes a local lad, hes fully committed and people infront of him have not been performing. Again my opinion is he is not that good and bringing him into the team on previous form only puts him in the firing line for the fans to rip him a new one as his weakness's would be found out even more rather than improve the teams resulsts/ performances.
Watch out for incoming :boxing:
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:boxing:Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
Players of that age need carefully managing in relation to the minutes they get and can’t be brought in with an expectation of starting every week and being dependable. It’s probably not going to happen.
I just look at the players we have had in the past who people were excited about and they never made it. I look at what we have now and many wont agree but, im not confident Faulkner, Goodman Kuleya are good enough to make a career in the football league. Faulkner has a chance but there is a reason he has not played as much football as some fans think he should and my personal opinion is that a lot of our supporters want him in because hes a local lad, hes fully committed and people infront of him have not been performing. Again my opinion is he is not that good and bringing him into the team on previous form only puts him in the firing line for the fans to rip him a new one as his weakness's would be found out even more rather than improve the teams resulsts/ performances.
Watch out for incoming :boxing:
I am well aware. Time will tell if they are good enough. I hope I am wrong.
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It’s official - Robert’s loan ended.
Next…….
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The 2 players rumoured are attack and central defence. I hope the MoJo partnership will still be together, come end of season, but if it does terminate this month, we need to attackers signing if GM wants 3 in the squad.
We will sign a centre mid I’m sure.
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Add Flint to that list 17 yrs old
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The 2 players rumoured are attack and central defence. I hope the MoJo partnership will still be together, come end of season, but if it does terminate this month, we need to attackers signing if GM wants 3 in the squad.
We will sign a centre mid I’m sure.
Check rumour mill. I think it’s an Alan Nixon one.
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Charlie Lakin in as a Crawford type player in midfield? Left footed so could slot in in the place of Rowe as a useful squad player but his legs would be very useful in this press.
6 months left at Burton.
Liked him when he was here, got about the pitch well, bags of energy & linked up well with Close. A midfield 3 of him, Close & Westbrooke would be good in my opinion.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
I've heard a name that we are meant to be signing on loan and he is a young lad centre half, hopefully he is for cover and doesn't push Faulkner further back.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
I've heard a name that we are meant to be signing on loan and he is a young lad centre half, hopefully he is for cover and doesn't push Faulkner further back.
McGrath would be permanent if it’s him, or have you heard something else?
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With the size of our squad I hope we’re not signing anyone just for cover. If we’re adding more bodies they need to improve our first 11 I would have thought.
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Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
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Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
It's too early to be picking players just to see if they are ready for next season. We need to pick strongest team available, as much as its unlikely we make play offs we put 3 or 4 wins together on spin and then you are on doorstep of play offs with how tight the league is.
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Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
Sorry sedwards but this is the complete wrong attitude.
You should never pass up on positive momentum. 10 days ago we were worried about relegation, you never know what can happen. The defence against 2 strong attacking teams has been superb this last week.
The team needs to be as competitive as possible in every remaining game. That’s what we’ve got season tickets for. Then take the momentum in to next season.
Faulkner is ahead of Anderson so will get a chance naturally. Olowu normally picks up knocks.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
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Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
Sorry sedwards but this is the complete wrong attitude.
You should never pass up on positive momentum. 10 days ago we were worried about relegation, you never know what can happen. The defence against 2 strong attacking teams has been superb this last week.
The team needs to be as competitive as possible in every remaining game. That’s what we’ve got season tickets for. Then take the momentum in to next season.
Faulkner is ahead of Anderson so will get a chance naturally. Olowu normally picks up knocks.
Agree it shouldn’t be a free pass into the team for anyone. I’m just saying what’s the point in loaning some untried youngsters from bigger clubs or signing someone like Agard when we shouldn’t be in desperation mode like the last couple of seasons. If these players have earnt a professional contract they should be good enough to play. And if they won’t play this season they never will.
Get rid of the youth team if we’re scared of ever playing them.
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Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
Sorry sedwards but this is the complete wrong attitude.
You should never pass up on positive momentum. 10 days ago we were worried about relegation, you never know what can happen. The defence against 2 strong attacking teams has been superb this last week.
The team needs to be as competitive as possible in every remaining game. That’s what we’ve got season tickets for. Then take the momentum in to next season.
Faulkner is ahead of Anderson so will get a chance naturally. Olowu normally picks up knocks.
Agree it shouldn’t be a free pass into the team for anyone. I’m just saying what’s the point in loaning some untried youngsters from bigger clubs or signing someone like Agard when we shouldn’t be in desperation mode like the last couple of seasons. If these players have earnt a professional contract they should be good enough to play. And if they won’t play this season they never will.
Get rid of the youth team if we’re scared of ever playing them.
Goodman and Kuleya haven’t yet proven themselves on loan at a level even 2 below ours.
Those 2 along with Flint and Sam S-Brown (both look v promising) need good standard loans for the rest of the season.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."
McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."
McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.
The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."
McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.
The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.
And now you are telling porkies.
I have never said I don’t ever read other peoples links.
I have said that I sometimes don’t read other peoples links.
It depends on who has put the link on.
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The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
Not everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."
McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.
The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.
And now you are telling porkies.
I have never said I don’t ever read other peoples links.
I have said that I sometimes don’t read other peoples links.
It depends on who has put the link on.
Granted it's not everybody's links but it still boils down to not reading links.
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If you want to keep on arguing do it in private and leave the thread to the original topic please
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Can’t beat a few handbags, playground stuff, though we’re used to it with Anderson and Olowu that’s schoolboy too.
…..by the way we’ve just signed someone.
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Signed more than 1, if you see Dickos’s post on Rumours.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
No, not EVERYBODY thinks they know best.
Just you.
I’m afraid I trust the recruitment team at the club more than I do you.
Sorry if that bursts your balloon, although I know it won’t put the slightest dent in your inflated ego.
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Gaz said at the start of last season we should have signed Carl Piergianni and Keillor-Dunn from releagated Oldham.
Keillor Dunn is one of the best players in the league now.
Piergianni went to Stevenage, was key in getting them promoted and now up to the league one play off positions.
I don’t think he’s right about everything and some things aren’t represented in data (such as Ironside’s nuisance factor) but those 2 Oldham boys and the Jake Young shout were very very good.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
No, not EVERYBODY thinks they know best.
Just you.
I’m afraid I trust the recruitment team at the club more than I do you.
Sorry if that bursts your balloon, although I know it won’t put the slightest dent in your inflated ego.
Yep, the recruitment team at the club have been great in the last few years haven’t they.
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We might have been in for other players in the past, but we are supporters not officials of Doncaster Rovers so we’ll never officially know who has been approached and if they have turned us down. Remember football is a job for those lucky enough to have the ability to get paid for it, and like 98% of the population people will change jobs for more money.
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I don’t know why some people get so antsy about Gaz’s input. He clearly spends a lot of his time (job?) looking at data and models and has some interesting insights. I also don’t see what’s wrong with being confident in his convictions - if everyone sat on the fence all the time this would be a pretty boring place, plus it gives some people a chance to get excited and delight in the times when he is wrong.
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I don’t know why some people get so antsy about Gaz’s input. He clearly spends a lot of his time (job?) looking at data and models and has some interesting insights. I also don’t see what’s wrong with being confident in his convictions - if everyone sat on the fence all the time this would be a pretty boring place, plus it gives some people a chance to get excited and delight in the times when he is wrong.
Tell me about his interesting insights.
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Of course you don't see...
1. If we did actually consider them.
2. If they turned us down.
3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.
It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
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Totally agree with BFYP above. There will be players who we like we are interested in but their decision could be they go elsewhere. Both the players from Oldham went to clubs at that time who could and would have been paying more in wages.
But we can’t keep saying we are aiming to get out of this league yet sign players who are still developing because these are the players we can afford.
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Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
This is the question which keeps coming back to me.
Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!
I guess it will remain a mystery.
It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it.
I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
No, not EVERYBODY thinks they know best.
Just you.
I’m afraid I trust the recruitment team at the club more than I do you.
Sorry if that bursts your balloon, although I know it won’t put the slightest dent in your inflated ego.
Yep, the recruitment team at the club have been great in the last few years haven’t they.
Not worth it Gaz. There are folk who have an iron clad dislike of any opinions based on evidence rather than hope, faith and gut instinct.
Like NC says, your predictions are right (and sometimes VERY right) much more often than they are wrong. But you're always going to rub folk up the wrong way with them, and they will pile on when you inevitably get one wrong.
Not much point in engaging really.
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Of course you don't see...
1. If we did actually consider them.
2. If they turned us down.
3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.
It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
Perfectly right BFYP.
To quote an example:
I think it was Filo who said" We never looked at Vardy before his move from Halifax" At the time I had good contacts at the club and was able to find out that our manager and GK coach Butler had in fact been to watch Vardy at an evening game. The reason we never signed him was Halifax wanted £400K and we never had 400pence to spend.
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Of course you don't see...
1. If we did actually consider them.
2. If they turned us down.
3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.
It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
Perfectly right BFYP.
To quote an example:
I think it was Filo who said" We never looked at Vardy before his move from Halifax" At the time I had good contacts at the club and was able to find out that our manager and GK coach Butler had in fact been to watch Vardy at an evening game. The reason we never signed him was Halifax wanted £400K and we never had 400pence to spend.
Not me
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Can’t underestimate how important location is also for signing some players. Most players at this level will be on sub 100k a year with families and not want to upsticks to the other end of the country when they could earn a similar wage close by.
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Of course you don't see...
1. If we did actually consider them.
2. If they turned us down.
3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.
It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
Perfectly right BFYP.
To quote an example:
I think it was Filo who said" We never looked at Vardy before his move from Halifax" At the time I had good contacts at the club and was able to find out that our manager and GK coach Butler had in fact been to watch Vardy at an evening game. The reason we never signed him was Halifax wanted £400K and we never had 400pence to spend.
I would agree too. There are so many variables in what goes on behind closed doors and for any of us to assume X,Y or Z player hasn't been on our radar is unfair and to a degree irrelevant.
We can all voice our opinions about the merit of our recruitment policies over the years (and let's face it, there's been plenty of different personnel involved) but, as McCann will say, he takes overall responsibility for the recruiting and how he wishes to use the funds available to him)
It would be churlish to suggest our recruitment is poor, as we have seen some good players brought in, so they must be getting some things right sometimes. Yes, there maybe limiting factors, and some may not always be under the clubs control.
It's always good to hear assessments of players who maybe being linked to the club, as probs like the majority of fans, my knowledge of players out there is minimal. We just have to trust those employed by the club have more understanding and knowledge than we do.
There's no harm in asking questions about our current recruitment policy at the meet the owners if we feel strongly enough about it.
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I don't think it's about saying we'll get every single signing right, or landing every single target. The point is there are plenty of relatively low risk players out there who are available on our budget who fit the profile of what we need.
By all accounts this is how we operated when Adam Henshall was here. And look at the quality of our teams and the quality of players we brought in before and after he left.
It's a numbers game. If a player turns you down, which you can't always account for, there are alternatives who fit the same profile out there, we just consistently manage to avoid those players.
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I’d expected the second signing to have been announced by now
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Harrison Biggins “knows the area”.
Sadly that area is South Yorkshire and not central midfield.
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Of course you don't see...
1. If we did actually consider them.
2. If they turned us down.
3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.
It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
Course there are loads of variables. That’s why you need to identify numerous candidates that meet the same/similar criteria. If I ever put suggestions for players in I really do try to be realistic finance wise.
As a club what we do poorly, in my opinion, is manage risk. I may not be as good a judge as others, or know as much about football as others at the club, but one thing I am a million percent better at than most is profiling risk. Getting that balance right within the playing squad is key. 10 34yo’s and 10 18yo’s in a squad would be mega high risk wouldn’t it. Assessing the potential of a transfer to be successful is massive. Just presuming that thinking a player is good enough because data/ scouts say so, isn’t enough. Need to improve in that area.
That applies to giving out contracts to existing players as well. How do they quantify their value? How do they analyse the risk in their investment? Intuition probably at best.
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
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Neither has a deplorable injury situation!
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
Intuition can play a great part in the selection of players. Take Dave Bassett, who saw something in Brian Deane that made him take a gamble on him. Also, Michael Duff whose intuitive mind saw something in Alfie May.
They are just two examples of instinctive signings by managers who possess a talent for picking such undiscovered talent out.
It's not only managers who possess the gift, though. Some fans even have the ability, although, admittedly not many of us!
:rolleyes:
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
Intuition can play a great part in the selection of players. Take Dave Bassett, who saw something in Brian Deane that made him take a gamble on him. Also, Michael Duff whose intuitive mind saw something in Alfie May.
They are just two examples of instinctive signings by managers who possess a talent for picking such undiscovered talent out.
It's not only managers who possess the gift, though. Some fans even have the ability, although, admittedly not many of us!
:rolleyes:
I claim to be one such fan. Admittedly i can't claim the credit for signing them but i was sure they were destined for better things when they first played for us:-
Brian Deane, Tony Woodcock and Rufus Brevit .
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
Intuition can play a great part in the selection of players. Take Dave Bassett, who saw something in Brian Deane that made him take a gamble on him. Also, Michael Duff whose intuitive mind saw something in Alfie May.
They are just two examples of instinctive signings by managers who possess a talent for picking such undiscovered talent out.
It's not only managers who possess the gift, though. Some fans even have the ability, although, admittedly not many of us!
:rolleyes:
I claim to be one such fan. Admittedly i can't claim the credit for signing them but i was sure they were destined for better things when they first played for us:-
Brian Deane, Tony Woodcock and Rufus Brevit .
You did much better than me with Brian Deane - I was hoping we’d got the cheque in the bank quick before they realised what they had bought lol. I’d have never thought he’d be as successful but guess it shows how much I know lol
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A lot of people thought the 25k Sheffield United paid for "Bambi On Ice" Deane was a little deer.
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
“20th in the 4th division…….” You’re at it AGAIN with your negative spouting.
I tell you what, let’s have a little bet (all proceeds going to the academy).
I propose that for every place above 10th Rovers finish this year in League 2 (it’s no longer called the 4th division…keep up) you cough up a tenner, I will do likewise for every place they finish below 10th.
And since you can’t bring yourself to admit that your condescending, negative statement that “Joe Ironside will not score more than 10 league goals in normal play” I will pledge £10 for for every goal during normal play that has him scoring less than the 10 goals you arbitrarily predicted & likewise you pledge £10 to the academy for every goal he scores above 10 in the league during normal play by the end of the season.
So, ‘witnessed’ by all forum members who read this post, are you game?
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We are currently ranked 19th in League Two.
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The players we are signing is more to do with the money we can afford to spend on them than any system used to scout them.
We will have scouted and looked at loads of better players at this juncture of their careers who we would have liked to have signed if we could afford them.
The aim has to be to bring on players to be better with coaching and giving them the opportunity, none we have signed for quite a while have reached their best, quite a few in the first team only now starting to become the players they can become because they have had the game time at league level, Faal, Nixon, Bailey good examples.
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We are currently ranked 19th in League Two.
And Joe Ironside is 3 goals away from GazLaz’s ‘plucked out of the air’ comment that he won’t (not even won’t ‘in my opinion’) but won’t score 10 league goals during open play this season.
He currently has 7 & on Saturday (7th of January!) he has an opportunity to add to that 7.
So getting Rovers current position one place lower than it actually is shouldn’t surprise anyone Chris Black.
Plus, how do we know McGrath hasn’t been offered terms with other clubs? We don’t and absolutely GazLaz doesn’t!
Rovers will have been a huge pull for the lad given he’s a Donny boy & his dad played for the club.
Someone needs to learn to read between the lines & stop looking at graphs, xg’s & stats to use as his guide to all signings.
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We are currently ranked 19th in League Two.
He was suggesting our position at the end of the season. Everyone can read where we are halfway through the season
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We are currently ranked 19th in League Two.
And Joe Ironside is 3 goals away from GazLaz’s ‘plucked out of the air’ comment that he won’t (not even won’t ‘in my opinion’) but won’t score 10 league goals during open play this season.
He currently has 7 & on Saturday (7th of January!) he has an opportunity to add to that 7.
So getting Rovers current position one place lower than it actually is shouldn’t surprise anyone Chris Black.
Plus, how do we know McGrath hasn’t been offered terms with other clubs? We don’t and absolutely GazLaz doesn’t!
Rovers will have been a huge pull for the lad given he’s a Donny boy & his dad played for the club.
Someone needs to learn to read between the lines & stop looking at graphs, xg’s & stats to use as his guide to all signings.
8 of your last 12 posts have been about one member of this forum. Do you think you might have a problem?
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
“20th in the 4th division…….” You’re at it AGAIN with your negative spouting.
I tell you what, let’s have a little bet (all proceeds going to the academy).
I propose that for every place above 10th Rovers finish this year in League 2 (it’s no longer called the 4th division…keep up) you cough up a tenner, I will do likewise for every place they finish below 10th.
And since you can’t bring yourself to admit that your condescending, negative statement that “Joe Ironside will not score more than 10 league goals in normal play” I will pledge £10 for for every goal during normal play that has him scoring less than the 10 goals you arbitrarily predicted & likewise you pledge £10 to the academy for every goal he scores above 10 in the league during normal play by the end of the season.
So, ‘witnessed’ by all forum members who read this post, are you game?
Yes. Absolutely game. *handshake*
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
“20th in the 4th division…….” You’re at it AGAIN with your negative spouting.
I tell you what, let’s have a little bet (all proceeds going to the academy).
I propose that for every place above 10th Rovers finish this year in League 2 (it’s no longer called the 4th division…keep up) you cough up a tenner, I will do likewise for every place they finish below 10th.
And since you can’t bring yourself to admit that your condescending, negative statement that “Joe Ironside will not score more than 10 league goals in normal play” I will pledge £10 for for every goal during normal play that has him scoring less than the 10 goals you arbitrarily predicted & likewise you pledge £10 to the academy for every goal he scores above 10 in the league during normal play by the end of the season.
So, ‘witnessed’ by all forum members who read this post, are you game?
Yes. Absolutely game. *handshake*
Yay! Job done. *handshake* (if it makes you feel better!).
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Not wishing to take sides in the Colin C v Gazlaz saga, but I hope the former is right as I will then have a big wedge coming back from the bookies
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To finish in the top 10, we'll probably need something like 40 points from the last 21 games.
Say
P21 W12 D4 L5
I'm usually an optimist, but that's not going to happen is it?
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To finish in the top 10, we'll probably need something like 40 points from the last 21 games.
Say
P21 W12 D4 L5
I'm usually an optimist, but that's not going to happen is it?
38 points absolute minimum. That’s 13 points more than we are likely to get.
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We are currently ranked 19th in League Two.
And Joe Ironside is 3 goals away from GazLaz’s ‘plucked out of the air’ comment that he won’t (not even won’t ‘in my opinion’) but won’t score 10 league goals during open play this season.
He currently has 7 & on Saturday (7th of January!) he has an opportunity to add to that 7.
So getting Rovers current position one place lower than it actually is shouldn’t surprise anyone Chris Black.
Plus, how do we know McGrath hasn’t been offered terms with other clubs? We don’t and absolutely GazLaz doesn’t!
Rovers will have been a huge pull for the lad given he’s a Donny boy & his dad played for the club.
Someone needs to learn to read between the lines & stop looking at graphs, xg’s & stats to use as his guide to all signings.
8 of your last 12 posts have been about one member of this forum. Do you think you might have a problem?
Surely you’ve heard of ‘Puppy Love’?!
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Don’t think the top 10 thing will happen but I think Ironside will easily beat the 10 open play goals if he continues to play every week.
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Remember some years ago Barnsley were bottom and ended up in the play offs and got promoted. Anything is possible.
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Ironside will get 20 league goals and we will get the last play off spot.
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Well said Nudga!! That’s the Spirit!
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6th for me and then win play offs
RTID
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I am pleased with the signings that GM has made, but it is too late for play-offs now I fear.
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Very unlikely but dare to dream!! Come on you Reds!!
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To finish in the top 10, we'll probably need something like 40 points from the last 21 games.
Say
P21 W12 D4 L5
I'm usually an optimist, but that's not going to happen is it?
You’re usually an optimist
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To finish in the top 10, we'll probably need something like 40 points from the last 21 games.
Say
P21 W12 D4 L5
I'm usually an optimist, but that's not going to happen is it?
You’re usually an optimist
Yep. An optimist. Not an "away with the fairies" reality-denier. It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand the difference.
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I’m pretty certain 99% of your posts don’t have any positivity attached.
The majority of you posts appear after a defeat,
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I’m pretty certain 99% of your posts don’t have any positivity attached.
The majority of you posts appear after a defeat,
You're pretty certain about a lot of things.
You're also, as in this case, totally wrong about most of them.
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I’m not wrong I’m afraid.
You’re one of the ones that only pop up after a defeat. Maybe a fleeting sentence after a win but after a defeat you’re here for days rabbitting on
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Here we go. More spouting of absolute shite from you.
I've not commented on the previous two wins because I didn't see them. I was away with family for the MK Dons match and flat out on my back for the Colchester one with COVID. I have a policy of trying not to give an opinion on stuff I know f**k all about.
If you want to go back and look at my response to previous wins, or even start with the Mansfield match last week, off you pop, then come back and reflect on how badly you've got this one wrong.
But you won't of course. Because you spout shite every single week and never ever reflect on it afterwards.
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
“20th in the 4th division…….” You’re at it AGAIN with your negative spouting.
I tell you what, let’s have a little bet (all proceeds going to the academy).
I propose that for every place above 10th Rovers finish this year in League 2 (it’s no longer called the 4th division…keep up) you cough up a tenner, I will do likewise for every place they finish below 10th.
And since you can’t bring yourself to admit that your condescending, negative statement that “Joe Ironside will not score more than 10 league goals in normal play” I will pledge £10 for for every goal during normal play that has him scoring less than the 10 goals you arbitrarily predicted & likewise you pledge £10 to the academy for every goal he scores above 10 in the league during normal play by the end of the season.
So, ‘witnessed’ by all forum members who read this post, are you game?
Currently +£120 to Colin
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Iwish it were so easy to select your employees by statistical analysis. There's a lot to be said for gut feeling, aka intuition.
20th in the 4th division is an indication that it hasn’t got much going for it.
“20th in the 4th division…….” You’re at it AGAIN with your negative spouting.
I tell you what, let’s have a little bet (all proceeds going to the academy).
I propose that for every place above 10th Rovers finish this year in League 2 (it’s no longer called the 4th division…keep up) you cough up a tenner, I will do likewise for every place they finish below 10th.
And since you can’t bring yourself to admit that your condescending, negative statement that “Joe Ironside will not score more than 10 league goals in normal play” I will pledge £10 for for every goal during normal play that has him scoring less than the 10 goals you arbitrarily predicted & likewise you pledge £10 to the academy for every goal he scores above 10 in the league during normal play by the end of the season.
So, ‘witnessed’ by all forum members who read this post, are you game?
Yes. Absolutely game. *handshake*
Yay! Job done. *handshake* (if it makes you feel better!).
January seems a long way off doesn’t it.
Looks like the academy will be getting a much needed ‘donation’ from GazLaz come the end of the season.
And just to show that it was never really about the money, I’ll happily match that amount.
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Very good of you, CC3.
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To finish in the top 10, we'll probably need something like 40 points from the last 21 games.
Say
P21 W12 D4 L5
I'm usually an optimist, but that's not going to happen is it?
Yep
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Ironside will get 20 league goals and we will get the last play off spot.
Last play off spot, far too negative that nudga
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Wow Nudga!
Now that was a prediction and a half.
Still one game left …. Hold on tight
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Mystic Nudga