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It amused me to hear Johnson proclaim, Labour failed to invest in nuclear!... How long have the Tories been in power? And how expensive is nuclear energy?I can tell you now this shining fleet of new nuclear power stations he's promising is about as likely to arrive as a new airport in the Thames or a road bridge to Northern Ireland.
Quote from: River Don on May 19, 2022, 07:48:10 amIt amused me to hear Johnson proclaim, Labour failed to invest in nuclear!... How long have the Tories been in power? And how expensive is nuclear energy?I can tell you now this shining fleet of new nuclear power stations he's promising is about as likely to arrive as a new airport in the Thames or a road bridge to Northern Ireland.For all of his failings Johnson does have some merit in this statement, Labour did neglect to invest in new nuclear power, if it had done so we would now have new functioning power stations coming on line, the lead in time for a typical nuclear power station can be anything between 5 to 10 years or more, this additional boost to the energy baseline would of given us valuable breathing space now in an energy crisis. The fact you say its expensive fails to stand up when you factor in how much we are paying for our energy now and also any further energy inflation which could become horrendous if the market conditions continue to degrade.The issue now is that the tories also failed to invest in nuclear, any semblance of an integrated energy policy is nowhere to be seen, action, even now will still not see us profit from it for another decade or so. All this lost time will and has come back to haunt us now, in future it will become even worseId of liked to have seen some movement from the government to sponsor the development of the RR type mini reactors, what they have agreed to do now is very little very late. Our kids and grand-kids will pay dearly for this lack of joined up thinking by governments of either nomination.
Nuclear energy, any type of energy cannot compete against renewables, especially solar panels''Solar costs have fallen 82% since 2010The levelized cost of energy generated by large scale solar plants is around $0.068/kWh, compared to $0.378 ten years ago and the price fell 13.1% between 2018 and last year alone, according to figures released by the International Renewable Energy Agency''https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/06/03/solar-costs-have-fallen-82-since-2010/#:~:text=The%20levelized%20cost%20of%20energy,the%20International%20Renewable%20Energy%20Agency.
From someone that doesn't know where it rains, I'll take your criticism with a pinch of salt DD PS I hope you have the fully costed the disposal for your radioactive waste in your junior high math.
The challenge is posted above, add in what you wish please ensure it's all there.
Is this gunner DD I wuz genner go to Australia but ........... but ...........Keep your childish insults and stick to the costsings
Here you go, have a read while I make a cuppa''Solar Power VS Nuclear Power -Which is better?''https://gienergy.com.au/solar-power-vs-nuclear-power-which-is-better/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Nuclear%20Power%20is%20nearly,a%20cost%20per%20KW%20basis.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 11:12:32 amHere you go, have a read while I make a cuppa''Solar Power VS Nuclear Power -Which is better?''https://gienergy.com.au/solar-power-vs-nuclear-power-which-is-better/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Nuclear%20Power%20is%20nearly,a%20cost%20per%20KW%20basis.when you've read it let me know where you would put your money
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 11:26:18 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 11:12:32 amHere you go, have a read while I make a cuppa''Solar Power VS Nuclear Power -Which is better?''https://gienergy.com.au/solar-power-vs-nuclear-power-which-is-better/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Nuclear%20Power%20is%20nearly,a%20cost%20per%20KW%20basis.when you've read it let me know where you would put your moneyThe text is nearly as blinkered as you, in all its conclusions its comparing apples with pears, it hasn't told me, and nether have you , what you are going to use as your primary base load when this system is not able to.More importantly how much is the backup system going to coast to be on standby for this system that is inefficient for a good part of a day and will become even more inefficient as the panels start to decay?
Quote from: danumdon on May 19, 2022, 11:44:40 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 11:26:18 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 11:12:32 amHere you go, have a read while I make a cuppa''Solar Power VS Nuclear Power -Which is better?''https://gienergy.com.au/solar-power-vs-nuclear-power-which-is-better/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Nuclear%20Power%20is%20nearly,a%20cost%20per%20KW%20basis.when you've read it let me know where you would put your moneyThe text is nearly as blinkered as you, in all its conclusions its comparing apples with pears, it hasn't told me, and nether have you , what you are going to use as your primary base load when this system is not able to.More importantly how much is the backup system going to coast to be on standby for this system that is inefficient for a good part of a day and will become even more inefficient as the panels start to decay?Point by point, list your argument and explain why. If you want to back up what you said earlier I want to your argument and some supporting data, do you think you're the first person to debate this?
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2022, 10:24:09 amNuclear energy, any type of energy cannot compete against renewables, especially solar panels''Solar costs have fallen 82% since 2010The levelized cost of energy generated by large scale solar plants is around $0.068/kWh, compared to $0.378 ten years ago and the price fell 13.1% between 2018 and last year alone, according to figures released by the International Renewable Energy Agency''https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/06/03/solar-costs-have-fallen-82-since-2010/#:~:text=The%20levelized%20cost%20of%20energy,the%20International%20Renewable%20Energy%20Agency.More nonsense, when in your utopian world the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, you've run out of battery storage because you've raped the world of all it precious trace elements and your beloved pressure groups have rendered gas, biomass and coal redundant what are you going to do.Ill stick to my nuclear reactors whilst you ask your aboriginal friends how to dig for grubs and bugs.
Which again shows you the DoubleSpeak world we now inhabit.Claim: The Tories are the party of low taxationFact: Our national tax bill as a % of GDP is higher than it ever was under Wilson, Callaghan, Blair or Brown.
The windfall tax proposal does not commit to HOW that money would be spent.This is crucial, because it is not just low income families in the firing line.Take manufacturers for whom energy is a high proportion of business costs.If prices continue to rise, then they will be at a serious disadvantage to producers in a country like France, where a 4% price cap is in place.This mistake has a multiplier effect within the wider economy. Other cost of living increases come on the back of this competitive disadvantage, so the unaffordability gap is widened.The idea that prices will be allowed to increase without a ceiling limit comparable to European neighbours is simply economically illiterate. Neither the Tories nor Labour have shown any understanding of this, and Ofgem have not taken this into account.Syd/DD,The issue of future energy sources is likely to follow the declining cost curve profile of the renewables.This is not really a matter of opinion any more, as we have good data to inform the debate.Other options, such as nuclear, are only able to secure project finance from state agencies. Very difficult to see private investment choosing nuclear without a guarantee of return on investment, which means much higher prices to consumers per unit.Labour are supporting Sizewell C, which is very expensive and will displace other options (like heat pumps and insulation) as a result.Bringing in a one off windfall tax, while leaving the National Grid in the private sector is ignorant nonsense.There is little understanding of the distinction between infrastructure provision and energy supply services.Best general summary with graphics is here, for those who like more detail;https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481
dd-''The point i was trying to make was that renewables will require a zero emission backup until such a time exists that we don't need it, this cannot be any carbon based alternative so at this time it can only be nuclear power?''well maybe you should have said that instead of this and stop being a complete dick.''More nonsense, when in your utopian world the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, you've run out of battery storage because you've raped the world of all it precious trace elements and your beloved pressure groups have rendered gas, biomass and coal redundant what are you going to do.Ill stick to my nuclear reactors whilst you ask your aboriginal friends how to dig for grubs and bugs.