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So you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 11:05:25 amSo you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?No more than Rovers fans singing about keeping the Red flag flying high.
So you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?
Quote from: River Don on March 25, 2021, 11:07:21 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 11:05:25 amSo you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?No more than Rovers fans singing about keeping the Red flag flying high. Exactly, just like fans of other football clubs. So it's not such an unBritish, deep-seated insecure thing to do, is it? It is quite a common British feature.
I saw a few years ago where a study showed that when everyone in a factory wore the high vis jackets it diluted other workers appreciation of the dangers they were working around.It became the norm and then became ignored to an extent. I think that it's the same with the overuse of flags and taking the knee. Once you start doing and using things all of the time a lot of people will just go through the motions without reflecting on the reason behind.
There are legions of them, unemployable, anti social rabble. They don't pay any attention to any covid restrictions as it makes no difference to them, still sucking up benefits while normal are struggling to make ends meet. they roam around spitting, swearing, thieving, not to mention the drugs.Are you happy to be around this lot?
Quote There are legions of them, unemployable, anti social rabble. They don't pay any attention to any covid restrictions as it makes no difference to them, still sucking up benefits while normal are struggling to make ends meet. they roam around spitting, swearing, thieving, not to mention the drugs.Are you happy to be around this lot?As I've got older, I've come to realise there are a great many people with mental health issues. Some are just unfortunate, some have been severely abused.When they fall off the rails, it doesn't really help to abuse, marginalise and castigate them. Who can be surprised when they become difficult, antisocial, criminal and seek escape through drugs? It's by no means all but I do think there are a lot.Yes, there are some like that and it is very sad. The ones i am thinking about are the army of chavs.How do we get rid of 'them'? I don't think it's possible and I don't think it's possible to breed such problems away. Criminalising them probably doesn't help but dealing with such mental health probems would be a longterm expensive process. Throughout history we have usually found reasons to lock them away in one institution or another.
The army of chavs?Well, again there I think there are a lot of mental health problems. From young mothers, who neglected as children who feel a deep need to have children of their own, to fulfil a need to feel unconditional love, without necessarily considering how they will support them. To the other extreme of county lines gangsters grooming a generation of vulnerable kids as viscous street criminals.One way or another there are a lot of blighted young lives out there. Instead of some eugenics program that won't work but will be cruel and discriminatory we'd be better off investing in education and social care.
Quote from: River Don on March 25, 2021, 03:40:02 pmThe army of chavs?Well, again there I think there are a lot of mental health problems. From young mothers, who neglected as children who feel a deep need to have children of their own, to fulfil a need to feel unconditional love, without necessarily considering how they will support them. To the other extreme of county lines gangsters grooming a generation of vulnerable kids as viscous street criminals.One way or another there are a lot of blighted young lives out there. Instead of some eugenics program that won't work but will be cruel and discriminatory we'd be better off investing in education and social care.I respect your views, but who foots the bill and when will it end?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 11:05:25 amSo you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?Given that the Red Flag isn't a national flag, no.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 25, 2021, 03:57:00 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 11:05:25 amSo you don't think the Labour party singing about keeping the Red flag flying high shows an UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity?Given that the Red Flag isn't a national flag, no.What's that got to do with it?
The other odd thing about this move to have the flag flying 24/7 from Govt buildings. When asked why he supported it, a backwoodsman, Brexit supporting Tory MP said "Because they do it in France and Germany."
UnBritish, deep-seated insecurity? Do you mean like in the way the Labour party likes to sing about keeping the Red flag flying high?
I don't have a problem with flags flying from government and civic buildings, we have always done this for special ocassions. Thing is if they are flying all the time how are you going to mark the Queen's Birthday, St George's Day etc - not fly them?What I do have a problem with is the government ordering this. Just another step on the road to full fascism.
Getting rid of 'undesirable characteristics' ain't half going to cut down Millwall's fanbase.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 24, 2021, 03:52:53 pmGetting rid of 'undesirable characteristics' ain't half going to cut down Millwall's fanbase.This one didn't gain any traction first time around so I think it's worth a bump just in case Axholme missed it.
what would a tory flag be ...... solid black maybe a black dot for every unecessary death?