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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: MachoMadness on January 22, 2017, 08:05:58 pm
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The latest term (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts) being used by Trump's team, to describe his lies about his inauguration attendance. We're now being openly told by the highest office in the land to not believe in reality, but to instead believe in whatever they say.
This is obviously laughable but there is a certain Orwellian nature to the phrase which I find deeply troubling. The POTUS uses his first weekend in office to openly question reality that was broadcast to every nation on Earth. He told lies, that were relegated to falsehoods, which are now being rebranded as alternative facts.
I've been trying to be reasonable and think that Trump wouldn't be so bad because he could be muzzled and controlled by the GOP but having seen him spend a weekend lashing out, even holding a press conference specifically to brag about how he drew the largest crowd in history, I'm not so sure. If this is the reaction to something ultimately meaningless, you have to wonder what he'll do when he faces a real problem.
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The man is just one whole kneejerk.
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You used the word knee where one wasn't required there Glyn. Donald will rule with playground politics. Name calling and petty squabbles as a diversion to whatever he is really up to. He's now blaming the media for his own tweets. Unbelievable
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But he is a downright scary kneejerk. George Soros just the other day said he is a would be dictator. He doesn't care who he upsets: he's announced war with the press; he is at war with the security services; he has kickstarted the engine of war with China; he has announced to the world that he's going for protectionist policies which are going to cause at least figurative minor wars all over the planet and will hurt everybody, especially us, very badly indeed. He is exccedngly thin skinned. He can't abide criticism. He believes what he says is truth. He is utterly self delusional.
Ask yourself, just what is there about the bloke not to be scared of? This looks like it's going to be the most dangerous 4 years I have ever lived - and I was alive during the Cuban crisis and some of the Cold War crises.
And then add in the entirely maverick factor of Trump and Putin. God knows just what's going to happen there. But whatever it is, Putin will come out ahead. Love him or loath him, the guy is now the dominant figure in world affairs - and he's far too bloody good at it for Trump to have a hope in hell.
And did you notice just how many hostages to fortune Trump dished out yesterday? He must be an idiot. He's promised so much, to so many, so quickly and so unequivocally that he's already boxed himself into way too many corners. And you just know what his reaction is going to be don't you when he gets called for his failure to deliver? He's going to come out swinging. I wouldn't mind a small bet that at some point in the next 4 years there will be an attempt to amend the constitution of the United States. I don't know when, and I don't know if it will succeed, but it's an obvious tactic for a bloke like him to try when things get tough and he has control of both Houses of Congress.
BobG
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Aye ... he will be heard and he will have things "his way"
The noticeable thing pointed out by the BBC at the Inauguration was the massive difference in the Crowd numbers against previous ones but I along with most will have seen the vast empty white protective covers and drew the inevitable conclusion
Trump however got his Team to gainsay that idea and say was and the BBC and others were wrong and has said (to give himself credibility) that watching Live Worldwide there were more watching him than Obama a point that cant be proven nor disproven. Have they got nothing better to do ? He is supposed to be getting the US back to being first
Oh yes - I forgot - he said in his Speech we have taken back the Power from Washington and given it to you the people and then went in to sign a paper to dismantle Obamacare something a lot of those People who had just had power delivered back to them might have wanted to keep
I am with Macho - it wont be long till Orwells 1984 comes true and Newspapers and History Books are rewritten to make Trump look right all along !
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Build that wall.
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Hopefully - BobG - I hope your very last sentence may be our "salvation" in that the Power of Washington may still prevail over this mans well documented "faults" and that they veto him at strategic points by which I mean doing anything TOO extreme
I too feel he is a clear and present danger and those people he has just given (mythical) power back to are where in all this ?
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Build that wall.
They ought to make Trump build the section that runs right in the middle of the Rio Grande see if he can walk on water as well !
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I am with Macho - it wont be long till Orwells 1984 comes true and Newspapers and History Books are rewritten to make Trump look right all along !
This has happened throughout history, we are only ever led to believe exactly what the governments what us to know and think. This will only get worse for us over the next 4 years with Trump and who knows how long from the backlash of Brexit.
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I look after my own four walls these days and those close to me, I live in County Ball and my rules apply. I am 66 yrs old and have done more than my share as you all have for others and also many lost causes. Time just to look after my things, accept the sh*t I am in and also what I have created myself. I am no Donald Trump nor do I like anything about him, but I am getting more selfish. Lots have had their pound of flesh out of me, just like you all. Yes he is dangerous and a loud mouth but perhaps the majority of Yanks also feel the same after Vietnam. Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan etc... I do not think as a world power it will ever work, but fortunately for me, my mistakes do not suffer as far reaching world problems as his will.
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We're already seeing threats to chuck out the press corps or to ban news outlets who are critical of him, and extreme nepotism with his close family being appointed into high government positions, and he's effectively refusing to hand over control of his businesses by ensuring they remain in the family (ie not a blind trust). He's openly bragged about missile parades and wanting to expand the nuclear arsenal. There's the temper tantrums, going out of his way to beat his chest and brag about provable lies with that press conference that was specificaly about reiterating a lie.
If you didn't know any better you'd think I was talking about North Korea there. We're already in dictator territory here, right down to the dodgy haircut.
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Wait until someone posts the near nude and provocative and very enjoyable pictures of the first lady - she is a cracker - Then I wonder what bomb will go off :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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I can see a potential story of multiple DNA samples on her dress. ✊✊💦💦💦💦💦👗
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If you didn't know any better you'd think I was talking about North Korea there. We're already in dictator territory here, right down to the dodgy haircut ****
**** I am sorry and I realise I am just a sad individual but I cant look at Trump without thinking of Punxsutawney Phil from Groundhog Day as I imagine his hair and "it" are one and the same thing
Did not realise till I looked at Phils Website to get the right spelling that his prediction record *^ (i.e. being right) is a mere 39% so him and Trump probably have more in common than we thought !
*^ Yes he does this Annually - its not just made up for a Film
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I do not think any man could only do it once, But we are probably thinking of different things. I have my preference ...She IS fit
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On saying that. If he does not like me. So what.. That dress would be worth splashing out on tho. :aok: :aok: :aok: :aok: :aok:
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I am wondering how many of the people who voted for Trump are going to suffer by the abolition of Obama care.
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#alternativefacts
Following the election California has put forward a proposal for a ballot to seceed from the Union.
What do you mean thats true! #Caliexit
http://www.yescalifornia.org/
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Bit like those who are most likely to suffer from Brexit Hound :)
Here! Have you noticed? All that speech after speech after speech after diatribe that Cameron and his horrible Chancellor kept banging on about - the need to cut the deficit - what happened? Has somebody paid it off without telling us?
Come back BST. The removal of the deficit from the political landscape has proved Billy's argument about the debt good and proper.
BobG
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The problem - and it is a problem only to those who see it that way regarding Brexit which today the Supreme has stated that The Government in total must decide the where and when etc. (And a waste of public money too) is irrelevant because everybody was given the choice - In or Out, plus the trimmings, now what if the Government say today "To Hell with it we are not going to take this stupidity any further, we are scrapping Brexit, we are scrapping the decision of the people and we will keep the money people happy. We will surrender to the Courts and the Politicians in Europe who for 40 years have pasted us. Then What.
Similarly in the States - everybody was given the opportunity to vote and now they do not like him or his politics, he did make it clear what he would do. Obamacare well I do not know anything about it to cannot comment. Will he be popular? He cares not.. Will he cause a World War? Not in my opinion, One thing is certain in both cases.. WE WERE GIVEN THE CHOICE.........
In games there are winners and losers mainly sometimes a draw but in Politics there are no draws. We have to live with it....Plus the trimmings
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I am wondering how many of the people who voted for Trump are going to suffer by the abolition of Obama care.
I only asked the above question because i reckon that there will be people who voted for Trump who will suffer as a result of Trump banning Obama care.
Will they regret having voted the way they did?
I asked because i know of quite a few people in my circle of friends and customers who are regretting voted to leave the EU.
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Well they will be ok Hound because now there are questions of a second ballot.... Do you know ALL THE PRICES THAT HAVE GONE UP WILL GO DOWN, THE POUND WILL GET STRONGER AND ELVIS WILL RE-APPEAR. FK ME O'RILEY.. They all knew what they were doing
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More Doom and Gloom that affects your family Hound - HSBC at Thorne closing.
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There is no doom and gloom at my house mate, but, the person you are referring to was thinking of retiring (as i understand it) so she may now have a redundancy package as well.
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Did not mean at yours, but yes you are correct to whom I am referring, I was asking her about 4 or 5 weeks ago what she was thinking about work, all I got was that she was fed up, we actually discussed it closing and at that time there was no suggestion. Old man will be happy - more money...
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He has got plenty.......
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oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh naughty ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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You might find this quite entertaining. It's a message - from the Netherlands.
https://youtu.be/j-xxis7hDOE
BobG
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Saw that one Bob - loved it!
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I thought you might like it Brian :) It tickled me.
Bob
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Well the usual suspects have their knickers in a twist again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBe_guezGGc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBe_guezGGc)
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These are the same alternative facts that we have suffered from ante and post Referendum . I see we are now having sudden breaking news of flimsy " potential " deals with Turkey now on the BBC .....it's pathetic .
Btw bally as much as I get on with you , I feel the need to point out that this country was screwed pre entry into the Common Market . Since then we have prospered only for our own governments to chuck money away or widen the North/South divide even further.
The EU had no control at all over the distribution of our wealth.
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You may gather by my post which way I recently voted - Not bad for a man who's wife was from R o I and who's son is an Irish citizen and flies a Tri - Colour in his garden..... Not afraid of adversity and not short in apologies when I shoot mouth off and get things wrong. I apologise....As my late dad said many times. "A worse disease than rabies will come here if ever they build that tunnel" around the same time Enoch Powell told his tale..
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Ah! You got it spot on Bally. Enoch Powell - indeed he was that worse disease. A truly dreadful man.
BobG
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Yes Bob.... Broadwater Farm rings bells and so does St Pauls in Bristol . :byebye: :byebye: :byebye: :byebye:
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Bradford has had it's moments too Bally.
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Yes, I got drawn into them in my job, some of us had to go to Toxteth (Liverpool) I stayed local...Donny hotted up a bit but not as bad as those others mentioned. I like to live in the past because we know what happened that is why it is called the "Past" but the current uncertainty is not pleasant. "We do not like it so we riot, smash up places, injure people. The world has gone totally mad, there are those who dictate their power and their opinions and woe betide you if you disagree, that goes for Colour, Creed and Religion in the past but now we have Political persuasion and Financial issues. I honestly really and truly give up
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There were stocks of petrol bombs found in some of the alleys that some rioters were trying to lure bobbies into.
Also the burning car pushed into the front door of a club.
Once protests start agitators, extremists and non-locals join in.
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Once protests start agitators, extremists and non-locals join in.
No extremists, "non-locals" or anarchists at the protests tonight. Nor were any reported at the hundreds of organised marches around the world last weekend, attended by millions.
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Once protests start agitators, extremists and non-locals join in.
No extremists, "non-locals" or anarchists at the protests tonight. Nor were any reported at the hundreds of organised marches around the world last weekend, attended by millions.
Sorry about that, petrol is getting expensive & you have trouble finding milk bottles these days. Maybe next time...