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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roversdude on March 22, 2024, 07:14:27 am
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Disgraceful that Nike have been allowed to reimagine our national flag
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It’s very strange. An American company saying the redesigned flag aims to “unite and inspire”. Are they suggesting the St George’s cross is some sort of non-inclusive symbol?
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A more pertinent question might be that if they designed the USA shirt whether they'd feel they'd be entitled to 'reimagine' the stars and stripes, or would it be too symbolic to meddle with?
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Worst element of this is that it will suck in all the halfwits who boo taking the knee. It’s a dumb thing to do messing around with a flag-related symbol and ultimately someone at the FA signed off on this don't forget, but is it the end of the world? For some, sadly this will be.
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I get the impression that it's been done not to big up England as they say but to big up whoever came up with the idea.
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Who's gonna buy that?
Can't be many, surely, especially at those prices. We've all got plenty of old shirts I hope they're all on show in the euros & none of that insult are.
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A very poorly advised publicity stunt, I don’t know what it sets out to achieve beyond the reaction it’s got. It doesn’t in any way offend or anger me, but nor can it possibly unite and inspire in the way the campaign sets out. It’s just a cross on a shirt that’s been manipulated to get a reaction that helps nobody. When Umbro did it in 2010 it didn’t have the same launch and nor did social media have the same gravity. It’s now been hijacked by grifters on all sides.
Anyway, this feels like an ‘off topic’ given other recent moderation trends.
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Just seen this after posting another topic about it, sorry
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Simple, just don’t buy it or any other Nike product folks, replace with a purchase in our club shop perhaps.
I’m not offended by it, just like I was not offended by the colourful and Jolly Senegal fans painting their faces white at the World Cup
But as stated some will feel it’s the end of the world and get all upset and precious about it.
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I don't care at all, and apparently it's some sort of tribute to the 1966 team so not sure why it's being spun as yet another "woke" story. A far bigger issue is the price of the bloody thing!
Having said that, if a British company did the same thing with an American flag they'd be taking to the streets over there.
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It's a disgrace, and I'd like to hear from the idiot who signed it off.
I also assume the fa have approved this ?
If so that's just as big of a disgrace.
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People enraged by embroidery
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Of all the things in the world to get enraged about.
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It's going look absolutely fabulous with Harry kanes rainbow captains armband and rainbow boot laces.
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No. Sorry, there's plenty of symbolism around with other emblems and flags. Don't mess about with our National Flag. That alone embodies the values we represent.
Agree that FA are responsible for signing it off and I hope it gets boycotted.
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
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Should just go full on and have some Ukraine coloured stripes down the shorts and one of those Facebook logos "I'VE HAD MY COVID VACCINE" instead of the England badge.
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
Kids shirts made by kids on dusty floors?
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
They wouldn’t dare do it with the Stars and Stripes, or the flags of such Countries like Iran, or Russia, or China etc.
It’s an insult and the FA are complicit in it
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
They wouldn’t dare do it with the Stars and Stripes, or the flags of such Countries like Iran, or Russia, or China etc.
It’s an insult and the FA are complicit in it
To use a hypothetical…The general opinion would be far more resounding if Puma changed the colours of Ghana’s iconic black star emblem on their national kit and there was uproar from Ghanaians.
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
That's my take on it too. They knew that it would spark debate up and down the country making this possibly the most talked about new football shirt ever. And that's all they wanted.
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
That's my take on it too. They knew that it would spark debate up and down the country making this possibly the most talked about new football shirt ever. And that's all they wanted.
And it's completely overshadowed far more reasonable complaints about the ridiculous pricing, as well.
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I’m not going to get into a tizz over this, but I agree, the flag is the flag, is the flag..
Mess around with trim and away kit colours, fine, but leave the flag..
What’s next? Two lions, or 3 tigers on the badge.???
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Politics should never get involved with sport, its a disgrace & I certainly wont be purchasing one.
Politics?
I'm lost here. What has politics got to do with this?
As far as I can see, it's a rapacious international company trying to whip up interest in shirts that cost £110 quid for kids' versions.
That's my take on it too. They knew that it would spark debate up and down the country making this possibly the most talked about new football shirt ever. And that's all they wanted.
And it's completely overshadowed far more reasonable complaints about the ridiculous pricing, as well.
It gives the professionally outraged something to do though. Expect some Crowdfunders to be set up with slightly indeterminate justification based on it.
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
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Listening to Talksport discuss this. I was going to say debate but there is wholesale agreement that this is 'disrespectful'. That's the best way to describe this insult to the English nation.
We should be the most positive we've ever been going into this tournament, but this has put a dampner on it. If I was a player, I would want my flag on my shirt not some other woke persons interpretation of it.
As for the price? Well, they've been taking the p*so for sometime now, so I'm not surprised.
The universal message I keep hearing from the public and prominent people is, change the flag or boycott it.
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The bigger issue is the price - scandalous. I'd love to get the kids one each but I don't remortgage until next year.
But, who sat in a room and thought pissing about with flag colours was a good idea on a national shirt? AND who in the FA signed it off? A proper OG.
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Listening to Talksport discuss this. I was going to say debate but there is wholesale agreement that this is 'disrespectful'. That's the best way to describe this insult to the English nation.
We should be the most positive we've ever been going into this tournament, but this has put a dampner on it. If I was a player, I would want my flag on my shirt not some other woke persons interpretation of it.
As for the price? Well, they've been taking the p*so for sometime now, so I'm not surprised.
The universal message I keep hearing from the public and prominent people is, change the flag or boycott it.
If people don't like it, don't buy it.
If anyone's spending £100+ on a football shirt they probably need accompanying in public anyway.
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
Or the flag of Islam!
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No one gave a shit when the Peter Saville designed shirt had green, blue and I think purple St Georges Crosses in it. no one gives a shit when club teams have st georges crosses in their club colours.
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
What the hell's a 'libtard'?
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
What the hell's a 'libtard'?
'Liberal retard' although this is from someone who's spelled Lenin with a double n.
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
Or the flag of Islam!
Next thing they'll be cramming some reference to Palestine onto the shirt.
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Should just go full on and have some Ukraine coloured stripes down the shorts and one of those Facebook logos "I'VE HAD MY COVID VACCINE" instead of the England badge.
:lol: exactly....and knee pads for putting the knee on grass, a Palestinian flag on the back, an LQWERTY Alice band and all made of vegan materials.....I support what new thing what everyone else supports so I fit in
Wouldn't it be marvellous if sport was just....sport
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Changing the flag is a bit of a pointless thing to do, and probably a bit daft, but there's no doubt which team the shirt represents. I do think that some folks are getting a little too cross about something which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty small fry isn't it?
On the 'Off Topic' thread, someone once told me to stop going on about GB news and if I don't like it then simply don't watch it, which was a fair shout I'd guess. So I'd recommend using the same philosophy in this instance; if you don't like it then don't buy it. Actually, if you are thinking of buying it then you must be crazy at them prices!!
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Usual libtards defending it.
They won't be happy unless the 3 lions are replaced with lennin, corbyn and George Floyd.
What the hell's a 'libtard'?
'Liberal retard' although this is from someone who's spelled Lenin with a double n.
Thanks for clearing that up Vaya.
I must confess, a Liberal retard is a new one on me!! People in glass houses and all that...
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Changing the flag is a bit of a pointless thing to do, and probably a bit daft, but there's no doubt which team the shirt represents. I do think that some folks are getting a little too cross about something which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty small fry isn't it?
On the 'Off Topic' thread, someone once told me to stop going on about GB news and if I don't like it then simply don't watch it, which was a fair shout I'd guess. So I'd recommend using the same philosophy in this instance; if you don't like it then don't buy it. Actually, if you are thinking of buying it then you must be crazy at them prices!!
Your analogy works if this was some cheap knock off from sports direct - kinda like describing GB new there haha
But this isn't, this is the OFFICIAL national kit producer and FA themselves telling you this is what your flag looks like. And of crouse if you don't like it, it's your fault and you're the problem
The complaints arent just about "a bit of embrodiery', nazi or confederate flag are just bits of embroidery dude. People are just slowly getting sick to death of multinational millionaire companies using any opportunity possible to spread their work diversity BS and when you just thought they couldn't do any more they change the national flag and release utter dross about why. Yes the same companies that use sweat shops and won't fly their rainbow stuff in the UAE
They've attempted diversity and only achieved division. Yet if you don't like it you're the problem. Goodness that sentence is like the definition of the left :lol:
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Yes absolutely disgraceful that a multi-millionaire run organisation is allowed to change the colour of our flag for political point scoring.
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The accompanying message from Nike is the context here. It’s not part of the artistic expression of the kit either. I’m not getting riled up about it that’s just my thoughts we’re all allowed an opinion!
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Just realised, if you take all the letters of the colours on the flag and mix them up, it nearly makes "Trans Islamic Caliphate."
If you change a few letters.
The absolute Kitsons.
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Changing the flag is a bit of a pointless thing to do, and probably a bit daft, but there's no doubt which team the shirt represents. I do think that some folks are getting a little too cross about something which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty small fry isn't it?
On the 'Off Topic' thread, someone once told me to stop going on about GB news and if I don't like it then simply don't watch it, which was a fair shout I'd guess. So I'd recommend using the same philosophy in this instance; if you don't like it then don't buy it. Actually, if you are thinking of buying it then you must be crazy at them prices!!
Your analogy works if this was some cheap knock off from sports direct - kinda like describing GB new there haha
But this isn't, this is the OFFICIAL national kit producer and FA themselves telling you this is what your flag looks like. And of crouse if you don't like it, it's your fault and you're the problem
The complaints arent just about "a bit of embrodiery', nazi or confederate flag are just bits of embroidery dude. People are just slowly getting sick to death of multinational millionaire companies using any opportunity possible to spread their work diversity BS and when you just thought they couldn't do any more they change the national flag and release utter dross about why. Yes the same companies that use sweat shops and won't fly their rainbow stuff in the UAE
They've attempted diversity and only achieved division. Yet if you don't like it you're the problem. Goodness that sentence is like the definition of the left :lol:
Since when did blue, black and purple stand for "diversity"?
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Or even the worst of all ...... doing it to la tricolore, there would be riots on the streets of Paris, sports shops selling it would be burnt down, farmers blocking the route to the stadium Le Roi beheaded.... oh they've done that already etc etc
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I can hear the chant now..
“Ni-i-ike, Ni-i-ike, you’re not fit to make the shirt!”
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There are a few points to make on this.
First the England kit doesn't traditionally feature the St George Cross at all.
Second The England home kit doesn't traditionally feature the colour red at all. This is because when we played the first ever international against Scotland they chose to wear blue and white whilst Ebgland chose white and blue.
This was mainly because sports kit in the mid 1800s was only really available in white or blue. Though apparently some England players wore White and Black!
Anyway White and Blue it was and that stuck as the tradition.
Thirdly up until then1980s most English football fans though the Union flag was the English flag! Look at the footage of 1966, everyone is waving the union flag not the George Cross!
My personal favourite England shirt is the 1982 iteration... Which actually features an abstract graphic print of the union flag on the shoulder's.
So I tend to think we're getting our knickers in a twist about nothing here. As for the idea the Nike stylised cross is a rainbow flag? Well it clearly isn't.
To be honest I'm more annoyed the England away kit is grey, which every Man Utd fan knows is difficult to see on a football pitch.
Also, I can't imagine Germany playing in a Nike football kit but apparently that's going to be a thing... Germany should always wear Adidas or at a push Puma.
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The twisted knickers is messing about with the flag and choosing to use the England Football kit to display it.
The kit is otherwise a very good one. Yes, I understand the whole tradition, although I'm from the generation who would perhaps prefer the red shirts as no 1, particularly post 66, but that's another debate.
So the issue remains, if we are to display our national flag on the kit, don't abuse it.
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The twisted knickers is messing about with the flag and choosing to use the England Football kit to display it.
The kit is otherwise a very good one. Yes, I understand the whole tradition, although I'm from the generation who would perhaps prefer the red shirts as no 1, particularly post 66, but that's another debate.
So the issue remains, if we are to display our national flag on the kit, don't abuse it.
If we are going to be really pedantic the St George Cross isn't really the flag of England either.
It's the flag of the ancient state of Genoa, the English hired the flag as a flag of convenience, Genoa being the biggest power in the Med at the time... We forgot to stop using it.
Not long ago the mayor of Genova wrote a nice letter to the Queen asking for it back.
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No one gave a shit when the Peter Saville designed shirt had green, blue and I think purple St Georges Crosses in it. no one gives a shit when club teams have st georges crosses in their club colours.
I seem to remember Peter openly said, he chose multicoloured crosses to make the shirt more inclusive...
Not a peep from anyone decrying this overtly woke stylistic choice back then that I can recall.
Edit: yep, thought he did.
https://www.dezeen.com/2010/09/02/england-home-kit-by-peter-saville-for-umbro/
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The mayor of Genoa won't be happy either then!
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Yes absolutely disgraceful that a multi-millionaire run organisation is allowed to change the colour of our flag for political point scoring.
I see Farage is wading in about how nobody should f**k about with the colours of our flag.
Ahem
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1771211078753505418
All a bit silly really, int it?
Snowflakes seeing Woke Threats everywhere they look.
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That's Stewart Lee's next tour all worked out now.
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No one gave a shit when the Peter Saville designed shirt had green, blue and I think purple St Georges Crosses in it. no one gives a shit when club teams have st georges crosses in their club colours.
I seem to remember Peter openly said, he chose multicoloured crosses to make the shirt more inclusive...
Not a peep from anyone decrying this overtly woke stylistic choice back then that I can recall.
Edit: yep, thought he did.
https://www.dezeen.com/2010/09/02/england-home-kit-by-peter-saville-for-umbro/
On the flip side, it would be nice to see the current level of outrage aimed instead at the dogs abuse repeatedly lobbed at actual England players.
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This flag shit is so dramatic. Numerous examples online of when we've had different shades of flags, I guess we've just become more intolerant as a nation, a nation of Karen's.
The price is an outrage though.
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Even the outrage at the price is a bit overblown.
The media keep quoting £125 but that is for the players version.
The regular replica top is about £80. Still too much but it's less of a contentious price.
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Even the outrage at the price is a bit overblown.
The media keep quoting £125 but that is for the players version.
The regular replica top is about £80. Still too much but it's less of a contentious price.
£80 for a football shirt is an effing ridiculous price whichever way you look at it. Football for the fans eh?
Edit: also why is the 'players' version over a third more expensive than the 'stadium' version? Are there extra fine fabrics which help a players performance in the more expensive one? Is the less expensive one actually a crop top and is that why its a third cheaper?
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Flagshaggers, going all gammon.
Once again, the dead cat theory in action.
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Even the outrage at the price is a bit overblown.
The media keep quoting £125 but that is for the players version.
The regular replica top is about £80. Still too much but it's less of a contentious price.
£80 for a football shirt is an effing ridiculous price whichever way you look at it. Football for the fans eh?
Edit: also why is the 'players' version over a third more expensive than the 'stadium' version? Are there extra fine fabrics which help a players performance in the more expensive one? Is the less expensive one actually a crop top and is that why its a third cheaper?
I believe the players version does use different high performance fabrics. Probably not worth the extra money but there it is.
There is a good chance the stadium version will actually be a more robust version. The players one will be extra lightweight.
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This is just a hilarious story.
I don't buy the idea that this is a conspiracy to raise PR and sell more shirts.
I put this down purely to stupidity and incompetence.
a) Not realising that a flag is defined by it's colours and changing the colours means it's no longer the flag in question
b) Not realising the bleeding obviousness of the potential backlash to the above.
Then we have the huge media storm; the pathetic excuses from the FA and Nike; politicians rowing in to nail their populist colours to the mast; former footballers weighing in; the angry vox pops.
Like I say hilarious. And great entertainment.
I think on relatively minor matters it's best just see the funny side of people's stupidity and incompetence and what results from it.
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It will probably have a few vented panels & maybe a tad more detail, like RD says the stadium version might be a bit more robust & accommodate a beer belly better lol.
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Even the outrage at the price is a bit overblown.
The media keep quoting £125 but that is for the players version.
The regular replica top is about £80. Still too much but it's less of a contentious price.
£80 for a football shirt is an effing ridiculous price whichever way you look at it. Football for the fans eh?
Edit: also why is the 'players' version over a third more expensive than the 'stadium' version? Are there extra fine fabrics which help a players performance in the more expensive one? Is the less expensive one actually a crop top and is that why its a third cheaper?
I believe the players version does use different high performance fabrics. Probably not worth the extra money but there it is.
There is a good chance the stadium version will actually be a more robust version. The players one will be extra lightweight.
Well if this high performance fabric is so good it boosts performances by 33% then I must find where its made and get some boxer shorts done.
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The USA kit doesn’t have the Stars and Stripes on it as far as I can tell. We don’t normally have St George’s flag either it’s the 3 lions.
Yeah it’s a bit dumb to change it up but it’s been done before (2012 olympics). Doesn’t bother me either way.
The disgrace is the price. It should be made in England if they are going to justify that price. The FA and Nike will talk a good game about ethics etc but you can bet the people actually making the shirts are been taken advantage of.
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The USA kit doesn’t have the Stars and Stripes on it as far as I can tell. We don’t normally have St George’s flag either it’s the 3 lions.
Yeah it’s a bit dumb to change it up but it’s been done before (2012 olympics). Doesn’t bother me either way.
The disgrace is the price. It should be made in England if they are going to justify that price. The FA and Nike will talk a good game about ethics etc but you can bet the people actually making the shirts are been taken advantage of.
If this hadn’t been all over the media I wouldn’t even have noticed.
Yes it should be a Red Cross on White but really is this such a major issue.
As you say the big disgrace is the price. Talk about exploitation. Taking the p..s The profit margin must be enormous.
This shirt should be boycotted 100%
Anyone with 2 or more children buying it must be either very affluent or very stupid.
Don’t buy it and then they will have to reduce prices in the future.
It’s supply and demand. If there is little or no demand then the prices will come down.
The ball is in the consumers court as always.
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The trouble is Camps, there are the usual people that will continue to buy them. Hence why they continue to price them at these high prices.
It’s like ticket prices and sky sports prices etc. people continue to fund them.
Where there will be one person refusing to pay the price, there will be ten that buy it.
Never ending corruption from these big companies
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
Stirling? Why would they be asking someone in Scotland?
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
Stirling? Why would they be asking someone in Scotland?
They wouldn't. He would have commented on the original story on the BBC website and then they would have used his comments in an updated feature.
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
You’re straw-manning this argument now. Basically suggesting “Either you aren’t bothered about the flag or you are as stupid as Joe in Stirling.”
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
You’re straw-manning this argument now. Basically suggesting “Either you aren’t bothered about the flag or you are as stupid as Joe in Stirling.”
I'd be a lot more receptive to "Don't touch the flag" arguments if a) people had been as vitriolic about it when the Tories and UKIP and other football teams were messing with it and b) there wasn't this weird argument that the colours are somehow "Woke".
Given those two points, I'll stick with my observation that this is snowflakes looking for something to be upset about.
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
Bill Hicks had the best response to stuff like this.
"My daddy died for that flag!"
"Really? I bought mine."
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Well, of all the bizarre stories about this flag, this one from the BBC website takes the biscuit.
Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
It's actually a little concerning just how little it takes to trigger this sort of reaction.
I remember in 1977 when a Bus Driver put his boot through his telly when the Sex Pistols were being interviewed by Bill Grundy.
I remember think8ng that was a very expensive way to demonstrate your anger, when you could just fire off a letter to Points of View for the price of a stamp.
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I predict we win the Euros and this becomes the best-selling shirt of all time. Someone will even make flags in those colours.
It just looks a bit naff to me and ridiculously expensive, just like every other England shirt since 1973. But overall it's not the worst we've ever had. The previous one was terrible.
Here's my design: Long sleeve, cotton, 3 lions badge. Choice of white (home) or red (away). No other logos, flags or any other nonsense.
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A man as despicable as Kyle Walker being the England captain?