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What I don’t like about a 12 month rolling contract is that it doesn’t suggest a great deal of confidence in the manager. If we had a player we thought had a big future in the game we’d try and tie him down to a 3 year contract (like Whiteman) so why do we not do the same with managers? I appreciate that it gives us flexibility and limits potential compensation if we were to sack the manager but given the confidence the fans and board seem to have in Moore would it not make sense to try to tie him down to a longer term contract?I don’t understand the benefits being that it gives security to Moore and our ability to claim compensation - surely most managers are on longer term deals so there’d be less compensation for us if he was poached and less security for Moore than most jobs? I can’t see many managers having month to month deals and surely the norm is for a couple of years or longer? (Short term deals like Warnock’s with Boro notwithstanding)
Thanks SM - so my assumption was correct too.!
Nick - I see the merits in it even if I do think we should tie Darren down to a long deal. It is probably to guard financially against the scenario where we need to sack a manager yet would need to pay out a big sum to do so. With a rolling contract, presumably it wouldn't be a massive outlay if we did need to do that, again not that I do with Darren.This contract method didn't stop us keeping hold of Darren Ferguson for three years, after all.Also, it isn't a "month to month" contract. It's a constant one-year deal in essence.
Quote from: RoversAlias on June 27, 2020, 07:05:14 pmNick - I see the merits in it even if I do think we should tie Darren down to a long deal. It is probably to guard financially against the scenario where we need to sack a manager yet would need to pay out a big sum to do so. With a rolling contract, presumably it wouldn't be a massive outlay if we did need to do that, again not that I do with Darren.This contract method didn't stop us keeping hold of Darren Ferguson for three years, after all.Also, it isn't a "month to month" contract. It's a constant one-year deal in essence.I should clarify - the month to month deal that i mentioned was in reference that any manager on that sort of deal would have less time to run than Moore, and that isn’t the norm. I wasn’t implying that is what Moore is on - I’m aware that he always has a year to run. In terms of us keeping hold of Ferguson for 3 years, that’s probably because no one else wanted him!I just can’t see how giving a manager a rolling 12 month contract is showing more trust than a long term deal and SM won’t be able to convince me otherwise. Of course after the first year of a two year deal you’re in a worse position than we are now with Moore, but for the first half you’re in a better position. And what about 3 year or 4 year deals? The benefit to me is clear that it’s protection against facing a massive pay off if things soured whilst there was still a lengthy period left on the contract.
Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree. I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course?
Quote from: IDM on June 27, 2020, 06:20:30 pmThanks SM - so my assumption was correct too.!Yep, we were both right. Embarrassingly for me that Gav had to remind me!
Thoughts are with NewDonny in his hour of need x
Quote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 12:35:41 pmNot sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree. I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course? Well you underestimate the potential of Doncaster Rovers.Doncaster MBC has a population of 309.000. So the potential is there believe me. Doncaster is not a small town like Burton, Fleetwood, Crewe etc.etc.If we had a billionaire owner who was happy to spend 100.000.000 and didn’t want it back we could be a premier league club. You only have to look at Bournemouth & see what they have achieved with a stadium of under 11.000 capacity.Football is pretty much about money now and the more of it you have that is disposable the more likely you are to be successful.
Quote from: drfchound on June 27, 2020, 04:41:07 pmLads, FR is having a laugh.Don’t take him seriously.Ha ha you’ve seen through me hound. Genuinely I hope DM stays here and is successful with you as I really like him as a bloke and wish Donny only well. As for Wanderers, it’s been a painful downhill slide since Big Sam left with continuing bad decisions and actions by owners but hopefully we have now hit bottom and can start to look up again. As for Wanderers future, it took us 7 years to get back to the PL last time we were in Div 4 so no reason we shouldn’t repeat that again Padgett with the right set up. Quoting us not as big as Leeds, Sunderland or Portsmouth is a bit childish really because Wanderers have spent more time of their history in the top division than all of them and I don’t mean pre war and have won more than all but Leeds but let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good insult attempt eh? 😊
Lads, FR is having a laugh.Don’t take him seriously.
Well I’m not quite as pessimistic as that BigH but I don’t think any of us are taking things for granted. That said I’d be both surprised and disappointed if we weren’t back in the Championship in 3 or 4 years at worst. Next season due to still being under embargo we can’t pay transfer or loan fees but we have 14 current senior squad players out of contract so we should be able to pick up some good players for the wages we can afford. I’m hoping one we keep will be Ali Crawford because he was influential before his injury but he may not want to play L2 football. Why ever did you let him leave? Anyway I agree about clubs coming and wanting to beat us but I’m hoping that if Ian Evatt does become our new manager he will instill a good working attitude so we won’t be overawed. In fairness having to play youth last year has been a benefit because we now have around 5 or 6 that have excelled and will be regular starters. We will see but let’s hope we both have good seasons next year whenever that is and I think you have a great chance of promotion with Darren Moore who I rate highly.
They are looking at that Klopp bloke as well, to step up from Anfield.
Frankie, it is a good word that mirrors the more chance of seeing rocking horse S**T that you have got of getting Darren Moore