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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Jonathan on June 04, 2018, 09:34:13 pm
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Apparently. Maybe this should have gone in the rumour mill. But apparently true
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Confirmed by Sky Sports.
Ferguson: "I’m disappointed to have made this decision as I have enjoyed my time at the club and was looking forward to the new season, but I felt I had no alternative."
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Well, I'm surprised.
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That's a bit of a shock boys !!
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Heckingbottom to replace?
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NEXT !!
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http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/lma-latest/darren-ferguson-statement-jun-18/
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Not being given sufficient tools to do the job.
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I’m not surprised as the noises he was making at the end of the season paved the way for this.
That statement surely confirms he didn’t get the budget he feels he needs.
Wonder if there is anything in the MK Dons rumours.
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Sounds like he’s blaming the board, lack of backing? Will be interested to see a statement from the club and who we are in for, Tidsdale and Heckingbottom both available.
Not too disappointed to see him leave, think he did a reasonable job but I struggled to warm to him generally.
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it is a suprise but it shouldn't be considering the disagreements between the budget
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WTF? Get Tisdale now.
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Blessing in disguise
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Not being given sufficient tools to do the job.
Sounds that way or not being given what he wanted
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Left with no alternative doesn’t sound good at all.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
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Surprising but in some ways not. Probably best for both parties. Big shock though.
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I’m disappointed. Other than (at times) the frustrating and confusing tactics I liked what he stood for and he could attract a player. I sensed the players liked him - Marquis certainly did. Could be some unsettling times I’m afraid.
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Doesn't sound promising for us going forward.
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DARREN FERGUSON STATEMENT
"Following recent discussions and meetings with the board I have decided to resign from my position as Manager of Doncaster Rovers Football Club.
"I’m disappointed to have made this decision as I have enjoyed my time at the club and was looking forward to the new season, but I felt I had no alternative.
"I would like to thank the board for the opportunity and I am grateful to the players, staff and fans for their support. I wish the club all the best in the future."
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Would not have any of them heckingbottom or to scale a backward move for me
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
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Gutted myself , and something isn't quite right , with all the players released ,
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I agree...rumours have abounded about the budget been poor next year..Hard to make a case against that now..
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Was hoping he wanted to go to MK Dons but it's pointing more towards shit budget.
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
Does this “tie in” to the frightening rumour you heard a few months back?
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Redfearn will be the new manager surley? Would like us to try and get McCann, Heckingbottom or Tisdale
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
If he was told that why did we then go and shell out six figures on Whiteman, who's since done the square root of f**k all?
Maybe they just don't trust him with their money, particularly after the Evina fiasco. I'm shocked he's resigned though, normally they just wait to get the bullet and take the payout.
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Can't say I'm too disappointed, hopefully the new manager will play the players in their preferred position then we might start to get somewhere.
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Not being given sufficient tools to do the job.
Maybe he's pissed off the board at some point during his tenure and they've opted to keep the purse-strings very tight in the expectation that he'd throw his toys out the pram.
His replacement might waltz in, after impressing the board/directors at his interview, and suddenly get a good, competitive budget what's generally on a par to others in the division.
It wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened.
And pigs might fly.
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Rather odd timing and not especially nice I imagine given the last few weeks with his Dad.
Still, I thought a few weeks back with all that public shenanigans about the budget he wanted, that this was only going to end one way.
To save everyone a lot of hassle, can someone find out where SOD is now so we can cover him off in any WAP thread?
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Very disappointing. It doesn't bode well and creates more uncertainty. Didn't see that coming. Not sure if this is a move to release himself to move into another job.
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Can't say I'm too disappointed, hopefully the new manager will play the players in their preferred position then we might start to get somewhere.
That depends if we have enough players to play them there.
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DF is a very wealthy man so is in a position to walk away.
There are two sides to every story though so it will be interesting to see what the club has to say about this.
Will we be attractive to potential replacements if the rumour about a poor budget is true.
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Wellens?
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Can't say I'm too disappointed, hopefully the new manager will play the players in their preferred position then we might start to get somewhere.
"That's a nice winger you've got there, would be a shame if someone were to ... play him in defence."
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Redfearn will be the new manager surley? Would like us to try and get McCann, Heckingbottom or Tisdale
He's got a job at a different club? Tisdale has history of success with a limited budget and bringing through younger players that could be sold on. Heckingbottom road the momentum that Johnson got them going in.
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Grayson and Snodin
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DF is a very wealthy man so is in a position to walk away.
There are two sides to every story though so it will be interesting to see what the club has to say about this.
Will we be attractive to potential replacements if the rumour about a poor budget is true.
We will probably get a statement from the club in a month or so then
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Because whiteman wasn’t one of the ones he’d targeted to sign in jan.
They signed him cause he was about to go somewhere else,
It’s obvious that we’re going to go down a route now of signing kids in a hope of making money on them rather than spending money to get
Promoted
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Now for a 3 month long interview process.
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Club is run by none footballing people who value every penny above ambitions and prospects of a 130Years old football club who’s never achieved much in all that time . Business is about the future and DFs view clearly differed from the boards. ........NOW let the speculation beging. Mick McCarthy for me .
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Hope he doesn’t go to Leeds that would be disappointing.
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This is truly shocking as the club has moved forward from top to bottom after the debacle of Dickov's unfortunate reign.
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Arsenal wenger might want a challenge
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I'll plump for the cheap option in James Coppinger. I hope to God it isn't but it wouldn't surprise me.
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
Not necessarily.
If you were a director, would you be more inclined to give a decent budget to a guy who's gone stale (and produced some absolutely boring football last season) or a new manager who'll impress at interview, bring a freshness, new impetus, etc, and might use the 'need to sign my own players' line.
Don’t be daft, if that was the case they’d just sack him. They wanted him to stay but they’ve offered him no funds to do the job with
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Wilcox and Schofield
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It had to happen let’s what manager the club gets what players we get?
Will our best players decide to ask their agents to find them another club.
Wonder why nothing had been said and quite.
I suspected this would happen why stay and take the flack when the club just does not back him with the right calibration of player.
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Give it Stuart McCall. I’ve said all along that one of our owners died so the budget bound to be cut. Im sure young Watson won’t put a million a year in.
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Whoever the new manager is you can guarantee he will be the cheap option.
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
If you are on the board you could be looking at Shrewsbury’s season on a very small budget , and wonder if it is about wages or attitude of players .
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Something dorsn't add up, he gives Copps a new contract and then resigns
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Whilst I'm not in the slightest bit bothered he's gone, it would be very interesting to know the real reasons why (which I doubt very much we will)
Probably the budget, but who knows
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Don’t blame him
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100% Megson is checking our friendly schedule as we speak.
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Never said this before ,but I think with the passing of dick ,we have a change of direction about spending money ,I think this is a big turning point and I'm afraid if not thus season but next where on a slippery slope back to the conference, just my opinion ,the crowds are going to drop and all the hard work wasted , I hope someone with equal money buys the club and are willing to spend ,not loads but just a bit more than just sustainable ,I'm sick of the word sustainable, I wish I could write my point down better lol.
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Whoever comes in needs to be in pretty soon, to get cracking with the close season
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I just hope the board act fast. We don’t want another debacle where we start looking for players the week before the season starts
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Last act of a dieing man .
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Something dorsn't add up, he gives Copps a new contract and then resigns
The contract will have been given by the CEO and maybe he was told the funds left were not enough for the CEO to sign players on his list.
We will never know over to the rose tinted board supporting posters to lay it on thick.
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Whoever comes in needs to be in pretty soon, to get cracking with the close season
Yes and he will need plenty of non league contacts.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
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If it didn't point to something wider going on, I wouldn't be all that bothered. Decent manager and I'd have been happy for him to stay but I didn't feel he was ever getting more out of the team than the sum of its parts, and started to get tired of him only having two gameplans and subsequently running out of ideas when neither of them worked.
Interesting times. Not going to cast doom over the situation just yet but it will be interesting to see which way this plays out.
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Can't say I'm too bothered about Fergie, but I am bothered about the potential disruption,disarray & uncertainty that could result from this. Just hope we can get it all settled down again, without too much delay, ready for pre-season.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
So what is the truth?
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It's a funny one though. The reaction from many is they are happy which kind of says it all.
The comments on funds are more worrying, but I guess the proof will be in the pudding and the owners haven't let us down yet.
Let's get someone better now.
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Never said this before ,but I think with the passing of dick ,we have a change of direction about spending money ,I think this is a big turning point and I'm afraid if not thus season but next where on a slippery slope back to the conference, just my opinion ,the crowds are going to drop and all the hard work wasted , I hope someone with equal money buys the club and are willing to spend ,not loads but just a bit more than just sustainable ,I'm sick of the word sustainable, I wish I could write my point down better lol.
I said this at the time.
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What is the truth then?
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Seem to remember him doing something similar at Posh. The going got tough and DF got going. Can't say I'm surprised. It had been stale and mundane for a while. There is never a good time for a manager to leave - I do think however, that this is good timing. We can wipe the slate clean for next season. If we can get a man motivator in (DF wasn't this) we can compete at this level. Onwards.
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I’m pretty sure he’s got something else lined up. Just gut feeling
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Really surprised at this. I’d like to see a new name come in rather than the merry go round shite.
Unless Carlos Carvajal wants a proper South Yorkshire club
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Life goes on.
Players and managers come and go.
Who knows, maybe we will get someone to push us forward.
This doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
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I’m pretty sure he’s got something else lined up. Just gut feeling
Definitely heard this in recent months.
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Something dorsn't add up, he gives Copps a new contract and then resigns
The contract will have been given by the CEO and maybe he was told the funds left were not enough for the CEO to sign players on his list.
We will never know over to the rose tinted board supporting posters to lay it on thick.
Only as thick as the people who have had it in for the board since John Ryan stood down.
Really don't know why people are arsed, he hardly pulled up trees while he was here did he.
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DF is a very wealthy man so is in a position to walk away.
Is he? Genuine question, I don't know. Obviously his dad is a millionaire but that doesn't guarantee he is.
I find it hard to believe there are any principles in football any more. Like, I'm really struggling to believe he's walked away on some sort of principle. I'd take an educated guess we will see Fergie Jr in another job very soon.
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
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We have to be sustainable unless someone else is go9ng to put money into the club. There's no other option
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
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I’m pretty sure he’s got something else lined up. Just gut feeling
I hope he has wish him all the best.
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The BBC quotes supporters will be updated with a successor within the next 24hrs.
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
If he was told that why did we then go and shell out six figures on Whiteman, who's since done the square root of f**k all?
Maybe they just don't trust him with their money, particularly after the Evina fiasco. I'm shocked he's resigned though, normally they just wait to get the bullet and take the payout.
You could well be correct on trust , Williams , Evina etc has left the club spending good money on rubbish.
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I think the club needs to get a positive statement of intent out ASAP. And follow it up with a quick and decisive appointment to take the club forward.
Of course there’s life after Fergie. Whilst I didn’t want him out, there were things about his approach that frustrated the hell out of me. But the implied cause of his departure is a concern. And for that reason I’d like to see the club speak and act decisively.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Or he was wanting to go to MK and we wouldn't let him go and he was left with no option but to resign?
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
Not necessarily.
If you were a director, would you be more inclined to give a decent budget to a guy who's gone stale (and produced some absolutely boring football last season) or a new manager who'll impress at interview, bring a freshness, new impetus, etc, and might use the 'need to sign my own players' line.
Don’t be daft, if that was the case they’d just sack him. They wanted him to stay but they’ve offered him no funds to do the job with
If he resigns, he'll get less in a pay-of than he would if he was to be sacked - so forcing his hand with what he perceives to be a bad budget is a clever way for the board to get their own way.
It's clearly worked as he's quit long before a ball will be kicked and the new manager can come in and the budget can be 'accordingly adjusted' so the new manager can bring in his own staff, players, etc.
It's better this has happened now than Ferguson staying into next season and working with a crap budget, because he's a negative git who thinks it's a crap budget, and things going tits up.
I'd like to see the club go and appoint Danny Cowley now. Long balls, nasty kicks, flying elbows - perfect. And a damn sight better than the toothless, tippy-tappy, back-passing purposeless football what DF's 'team' produced last season!
Its only worked if we now appoint a good manager and give him a decent budget. If we appoint someone cheap and don’t spend money on players then that clearly wasn’t their plan
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Big Sam is available 😊
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
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Too many people speculating and claiming it to be fact. And some need to get their heads around the fact that we are unlikely to be spending shed loads on players certainly not for the foreseeable future and, before you start criticising the owners just remember, there isn't a queue of wealthy benefactors waiting in the wings!
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The BBC quotes supporters will be updated with a successor within the next 24hrs.
My money is on Neil Redfern
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The BBC quotes supporters will be updated with a successor within the next 24hrs.
Probably just saying they're gonna go through a process to get the best manager for us or something.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
I've got to say, the evidence so far points to that though doesn't it.
I don't want to know the ins and outs of everything at the club, but I think it's high time we stopped being treated as plebs from both sides of the fence, it seems in football no one can lie straight in bed
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All you who wanted him gone.. Be careful what you wished for..
Board haven't given him enough money clearly.. Not a good sign!
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
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The club have already issued a statement and an update will follow in the next 24 hours.
But for all those who are blaming the playing budget for this would be wrong. There has been no cost cutting with the playing staff and the club confirmed that to the supporters board and with myself.
I have a meeting scheduled with Gavin tomorrow, and we will discuss this again.
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What about DF @ MK b4 WC starts ?
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
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Hopefully they don’t spend weeks and weeks recruiting like the shambles they went through last time.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
I've got to say, the evidence so far points to that though doesn't it.
I don't want to know the ins and outs of everything at the club, but I think it's high time we stopped being treated as plebs from both sides of the fence, it seems in football no one can lie straight in bed
What evidence though Filo?
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
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I think the club needs to get a positive statement of intent out ASAP. And follow it up with a quick and decisive appointment to take the club forward.
Of course there’s life after Fergie. Whilst I didn’t want him out, there were things about his approach that frustrated the hell out of me. But the implied cause of his departure is a concern. And for that reason I’d like to see the club speak and act decisively.
we don't need to rush...we need to get it right
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
is there
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Hopefully they don’t spend weeks and weeks recruiting like the shambles they went through last time.
By the same token they don't want to rush the process.
The application period will be open for 7 days.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
It’s not really frightening though is it.
Ferguson will be replaced and life will go on.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Sensible point. The truth as is often the case may well stay quiet. All parties will be judged on their actions.
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The BBC quotes supporters will be updated with a successor within the next 24hrs.
If it’s be understood that a new one manger is here already , then the budget if true was their way of getting him out . Cheap trick .
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
OK boomstick I'll bite. Who are the high earners not being replaced?
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DF leaving creates uncertainty which isn't good for the club but if we act quick and get a decent appointment on board it could be a good thing overall
Do we know if this applies to DF's coaching team, Strachan etc, too?
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The BBC quotes supporters will be updated with a successor within the next 24hrs.
My money is on Neil Redfern
I hope not !!
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
It’s not really frightening though is it.
Ferguson will be replaced and life will go on.
I didn’t say this news was frightening
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
OK boomstick I'll bite. Who are the high earners not being replaced?
Williams, baudry for starters
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Maybe Fergie knows he can't get decent enough results without a large budget because of his own limitations as a manager. Now because the Board wont give him that large budget he needs to be successful he has no alternative but to resign to save face. Let's be honest we know & the Board knows that there are managers out there that don't need huge budgets to get promotions at this level.
So maybe it's just a case of Fergie knowing he is not good enough to get where the Board wants without spending shed loads of cash!
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammal
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
OK boomstick I'll bite. Who are the high earners not being replaced?
Williams, baudry for starters
Dickos, you're the one who usually plays devils advocate. We are about 3 weeks into the window, theres still loads of time for replacements.
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I wasn’t saying they won’t be replaced I’m just saying they are the two high earners that need to be replaced
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I'd heard rumours of an abysmal budget and the high earners leaving not being replaced.
That's just rumours though Wes, no truth in that at all.
But there's ZERO evidence to refute this, and there i a SHED LOAD of evidence to back it up
OK boomstick I'll bite. Who are the high earners not being replaced?
Williams, baudry for starters
Baudry wasn't a high earner.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammal
Until the last few years he'd been loaning us money for years, along with JR and DW. Nobody made a big deal back then.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
It’s not really frightening though is it.
Ferguson will be replaced and life will go on.
I didn’t say this news was frightening
And I didn’t say you did Mush.
I was just commenting on the quote you posted.
As I said, it isn’t really frightening is it.
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The quote I posted isn’t frightening no
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We might just get a good forward back in Mandeville, and a couple of youg defenders who he treated pretty badly when they were looking like good prospects.
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I'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.
We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.
I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTID
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammal
Until the last few years he'd been loaning us money for years, along with JR and DW. Nobody made a big deal back then.
I know, but having to do it unexpectedly cause of poor cash flow might be more of an issue.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
TB invests countless millions to DRFC, he's never taken anything out or charged a single penny in interest. Its just a ludicrous suggestion that the club would need a loan, commercial or otherwise, to cover a lack of income in ST sales. Especially since ST sales exceeded expectations.
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Valid point though. At least kongolo won't be back.....
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Maybe Fergie knows he can't get decent enough results without a large budget because of his own limitations as a manager. Now because the Board wont give him that large budget he needs to be successful he has no alternative but to resign to save face. Let's be honest we know & the Board knows that there are managers out there that don't need huge budgets to get promotions at this level.
So maybe it's just a case of Fergie knowing he is not good enough to get where the Board wants without spending shed loads of cash!
Again, incredible that it's Darren Ferguson, Doncaster Rovers' manager of all people, to suddenly break the mold of a game completely corrupted by money and self interest. Almost impossible to believe really.
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I'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.
We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.
I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTID
Crikey PDX, how high is that fence you are sitting on.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammal
Until the last few years he'd been loaning us money for years, along with JR and DW. Nobody made a big deal back then.
He doesn't loan the club money. He gives his money away, a significant difference.
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Could be Barnsley have tapped him up, it will not be the first time they have raided us, and they may splash the money about to attract him.
If he does go anywhere I think we can get ready for a raid on Marquis.
I wonder if the back room staff he has brought in will go with him, what we don,t want is them going at the start, or just after the start of next season.
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It’s always been the worst part of the year , with Player speculation etc . Add to this Fergie family situation , our poor over all form , injuries and players in high wages and not even playing for the club , it would hard for any board member to see any vertue in keeping the status quo .
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Fergie jr is a wealthy man. He has choices. He owns a very sucessful business outside of football with his dad. The business is worth millions.
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So gives up so he can waist his time elsewhere?
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I'm baffled to be honest, odd timing as well. It doesn't come across well as unless he ends up at another club in the next few days (which of course is entirely possible) then it must be about the man and the board not seeing eye-to-eye on the playing budget.
I get people saying it's not necessarily a bad thing because he's not that good a manager, he's definitely not irreplaceable or anything. But it's more upheaval, I'd really like some long-term stability in terms of our strategy and planning. Maybe I was spoiled by the 5 odd years of SOD but it does annoy me a bit. We got ourselves in a right state through the Saunders and Dickov eras and then got relegated to League Two necessitating another total revamp, now we finally have two years of solid progression and a coherent transfer/development strategy and the manager leaves out of nowhere.
So I hope the club act quickly, get a sensible replacement in and move to reassure all of us lot that there's no reason to be alarmed. Because we aren't going to get near to achieving that plan to be in the Championship by 2022 if we don't invest in improving the playing squad.
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If it didn't point to something wider going on, I wouldn't be all that bothered. Decent manager and I'd have been happy for him to stay but I didn't feel he was ever getting more out of the team than the sum of its parts, and started to get tired of him only having two gameplans and subsequently running out of ideas when neither of them worked.
Interesting times. Not going to cast doom over the situation just yet but it will be interesting to see which way this plays out.
100% agree Pib. Spot on.
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I would hope we can sign a competent manager who can get us promoted without taking the country into another recession.
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If you read the statement on the website it sounds more like mutual concent.
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At the end of the day, we’re all guessing, Martin keeps saying everything is fine, we’re going to replace the high earners we’re not cutting the Budget. Others like myself are worried, but only way we’re gonna know is by waiting and seeing what happens. If we appoint a redfearn or a coppinger and sign inexperienced players we will know why Ferguson left. If we sign experienced quality league one players and appoint a tidsdale then we will know there is no issue with the board
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I'm baffled to be honest, odd timing as well. It doesn't come across well as unless he ends up at another club in the next few days (which of course is entirely possible) then it must be about the man and the board not seeing eye-to-eye on the playing budget.
I get people saying it's not necessarily a bad thing because he's not that good a manager, he's definitely not irreplaceable or anything. But it's more upheaval, I'd really like some long-term stability in terms of our strategy and planning. Maybe I was spoiled by the 5 odd years of SOD but it does annoy me a bit. We got ourselves in a right state through the Saunders and Dickov eras and then got relegated to League Two necessitating another total revamp, now we finally have two years of solid progression and a coherent transfer/development strategy and the manager leaves out of nowhere.
So I hope the club act quickly, get a sensible replacement in and move to reassure all of us lot that there's no reason to be alarmed. Because we aren't going to get near to achieving that plan to be in the Championship by 2022 if we don't invest in improving the playing squad.
RA, we aren’t really much further forward than when Ferguson joined us though.
Maybe a few places on the league ladder.
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I get the logic behind saying we need to take the time to make the right appointment. But I hope we don’t waste too much time inviting applications, shortlisting and interviewing while other clubs are getting their squads together. There a window that means we needn’t panic, but it’s not a big window. Pre season isn’t far away. We should be approaching desirable candidates not just waiting on applications.
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Maybe not on the pitch but it’s common knowledge how much the club has moved forward under Ferguson.
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The club have already issued a statement and an update will follow in the next 24 hours.
But for all those who are blaming the playing budget for this would be wrong. There has been no cost cutting with the playing staff and the club confirmed that to the supporters board and with myself.
I have a meeting scheduled with Gavin tomorrow, and we will discuss this again.
Ask Gavin
Will the new manager be told about the clubs five year plan. Next year is year 3 plan so will he be told that the club expects him to achieve that plan.
Will he be given the funds to achieve that.
Will the new manager have promotion especially from league 1 on his CV.
Will we see quality players signed to ensure progression this season.
Will we let top players leave to give funds to get new players.
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I reckon the only reason he's stayed as long as he has is because of his Dad. If Sir Alex hadn't been taken ill before the last game of the season, he would have walked sooner. These rumours have been swilling since then.
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
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How many players did DF give new contracts to and the board ended up paying up their contracts? I just wonder after looking at some of the dross he brought in this season if they lost faith. I certainly did.
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Agree totally Rob. He moved us forwards but had some pretty big limitations as a manager IMO.
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I'm baffled to be honest, odd timing as well. It doesn't come across well as unless he ends up at another club in the next few days (which of course is entirely possible) then it must be about the man and the board not seeing eye-to-eye on the playing budget.
I get people saying it's not necessarily a bad thing because he's not that good a manager, he's definitely not irreplaceable or anything. But it's more upheaval, I'd really like some long-term stability in terms of our strategy and planning. Maybe I was spoiled by the 5 odd years of SOD but it does annoy me a bit. We got ourselves in a right state through the Saunders and Dickov eras and then got relegated to League Two necessitating another total revamp, now we finally have two years of solid progression and a coherent transfer/development strategy and the manager leaves out of nowhere.
So I hope the club act quickly, get a sensible replacement in and move to reassure all of us lot that there's no reason to be alarmed. Because we aren't going to get near to achieving that plan to be in the Championship by 2022 if we don't invest in improving the playing squad.
RA, we aren’t really much further forward than when Ferguson joined us though.
Maybe a few places on the league ladder.
This is very true Hound. However there's no denying that we've gone forward both years since relegation to League 2 which was certainly not a given at the time. I remember dropping down to that level and thinking "we might be here a while now".
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My feelings seem to be the same as everyone else's. Not arsed about Fergie. In fact I was about 60-40 in favour of him going anyway. However him leaving after announcing the retained list and everything is a pain. I hear SCWK is available though, got an eye for a player that lad.
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Maybe not on the pitch but it’s common knowledge how much the club has moved forward under Ferguson.
Agreed mate but we all know that what happens on the pitch is what brings the supporters in.
What goes on behind the scenes is not really important to the floating fans.
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I'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.
We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.
I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTID
Crikey PDX, how high is that fence you are sitting on.
I have mixed feelings about Fergie. I think many do. He was the manager and had my support but there was something always a bit off IMO. Just how I feel. Ambivalent is the word.
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
Ask Martin he will discuss this when he see Gavin and be able to tell you when the decision was made.
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Hope this means Mandeville gets another crack.
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I'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.
We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.
I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTID
Crikey PDX, how high is that fence you are sitting on.
I have mixed feelings about Fergie. I think many do. He was the manager and had my support but there was something always a bit off IMO. Just how I feel. Ambivalent is the word.
Far too complex a word to use on here mate.
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I think your fighting a losing battle tonight SM.. People are putting 2 and 2 together and maybe they are getting to 4 or maybe 5 we don't know.. I'm keeping a open mind whether it was the budget or he has had a fall out or got another job... To many people making statements portraying them as fact when we really don't know...
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I don't think there should be too much panic over the budget. We've still got a talented group of players, who I don't think Ferguson got the best out of last season. I'm interested to see what a new manager can do with two or three key additions. I don't actually think we need to spend a great deal.
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At least Fergie bottled it before the season started this time, and not in the last few games as usual. :chair:
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Maybe not on the pitch but it’s common knowledge how much the club has moved forward under Ferguson.
Agreed mate but we all know that what happens on the pitch is what brings the supporters in.
What goes on behind the scenes is not really important to the floating fans.
No but floating fans shouldn’t be the main concern. We’re a far more professionally run club now since he’s been here. Better staff, improved methods, more professional, all that can only eventually lead to improvements on the pitch
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Big Sam is available 😊
Don't even joke about it! :mad:
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
Ask Martin he will discuss this when he see Gavin and be able to tell you when the decision was made.
The decision was made today.
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Chuck my thoughts into the pot.
I said a few weeks ago he's had his head turned by MK, apparently they said a big war chest was available for the right manager to get them into the championship within 3 seasons.
My thoughts on the board.
They new most of the fans had or were turning against Fergie. They wanted a new manager in, probably had one in mind since the last day of the season. Watching Wigan get the trophy on our pitch when he blew it the season before. His rolling contract was up on 1st of June, they new he'd turn them down if we had a crap budget. Win win for them
Of course this is all pie in the sky..... Would be strange though if Fergie went to MK, our new manager was given a decent budget.
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Chuck my thoughts into the pot.
I said a few weeks ago he's had his head turned by MK, apparently they said a big war chest was available for the right manager to get them into the championship within 3 seasons.
My thoughts on the board.
They new most of the fans had or were turning against Fergie. They wanted a new manager in, probably had one in mind since the last day of the season. Watching Wigan get the trophy on our pitch when he blew it the season before. His rolling contract was up on 1st of June, they new he'd turn them down if we had a crap budget. Win win for them
Of course this is all pie in the sky..... Would be strange though if Fergie went to MK, our new manager was given a decent budget.
His rolling contract was only up on 1st June if he had been handed his notice on 1st June last year
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Isn't that what we did last time?
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Hands up who couldn’t care less ✋
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Isn't that what we did last time?
Yeah and he took us to the next level....down. :silly:
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Well I'm chuffed to death! What a dull season, team, manager. I felt that my brain was beginning to numb at times last season. For me this shows ambition by the board. Mr Ferguson believed he was an above average manager but his results just didn't back that up.
My guess is that the board just didn't believe he could take us any further despite how much brass they were likely to throw at him. He was lead to the door and he jumped (to MK Dons) with a little push. Clever business men!
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BUTLER & COPPS...DREAM TEAM
WELL IT WORKED WITH PENNEY???????
REGARDS
RAY
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
Ask Martin he will discuss this when he see Gavin and be able to tell you when the decision was made.
The decision was made today.
The announcement/informing was probably made today.Im not convinced the decision was made today.
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I would expect a Caretaker taking over most duties to be announced soon,possible Redfern or strachan,with the permanent manager taking weeks to be decided.
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Well I'm chuffed to death! What a dull season, team, manager. I felt that my brain was beginning to numb at times last season. For me this shows ambition by the board. Mr Ferguson believed he was an above average manager but his results just didn't back that up.
My guess is that the board just didn't believe he could take us any further despite how much brass they were likely to throw at him. He was lead to the door and he jumped (to MK Dons) with a little push. Clever business men!
I agree with you there.
I think it was more a case of the board not wanting to back his decisions anymore.
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
Ask Martin he will discuss this when he see Gavin and be able to tell you when the decision was made.
The decision was made today.
The announcement/informing was probably made today.Im not convinced the decision was made today.
I can assure you it was.
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I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
Maybe yeah.
I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
More rubbish 😂
The club needed the loan not brammal of course.
You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
TB invests countless millions to DRFC, he's never taken anything out or charged a single penny in interest. Its just a ludicrous suggestion that the club would need a loan, commercial or otherwise, to cover a lack of income in ST sales. Especially since ST sales exceeded expectations.
Genuine curious question SM,did Dick Watson and/or JR loan/invest the club money and if yes,did they charge any interest?
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Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?
The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story.
Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Isn't that what we did last time?
Yes and we'll gamble on this one as well. No board is infallible to making the wrong appointments and we've made some stinkers in the past. While I've not enjoyed Fergies football in the slightest, I did see the club's criteria for appointment and Fergie ticked all the right boxes.
As RTR has rightly pointed out I don't think we'd have moved much further forward with Fergie and therefore this is a blessing in disguise I hope as long as the new manager is suitably blacked instead of being offered a pittance for non leaguers and youths.
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Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?
Ask Martin he will discuss this when he see Gavin and be able to tell you when the decision was made.
The decision was made today.
The announcement/informing was probably made today.Im not convinced the decision was made today.
I can assure you it was.
Really? Is it not possible DF made his decision days or weeks ago but only told those concerned today?
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Drover,
There were loans obviously, but TB and the Watson family converted all their loans into share capital, thereby writing off all debt.
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I would expect a Caretaker taking over most duties to be announced soon,possible Redfern or strachan,with the permanent manager taking weeks to be decided.
Not sure there's any logic to a caretaker taking over in the close season. The new appointment will need to be done a lot more quicker than the lost one though.
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If you look on the MK Dons Forum, it was first rumoured on there on May 20th that Darren Ferguson had applied for their managers job.
If true, and he gets the job, he certainly goes down in my estimation after we stood by him when he took us down. And if he takes his backroom staff, they should be made to pay compensation, or resign.
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Drover,
There were loans obviously, but TB and the Watson family converted all their loans into share capital, thereby writing off all debt.
Oh right,I might be wrong,but did'nt JR do something similar(im sure its alot less than dick and Terry) when he left,Wright off loans or something?
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I would expect a Caretaker taking over most duties to be announced soon,possible Redfern or strachan,with the permanent manager taking weeks to be decided.
Not sure there's any logic to a caretaker taking over in the close season. The new appointment will need to be done a lot more quicker than the lost one though.
I agree,Im just going on the BBC qoute saying fans will be informed in 24 hours,Im thinking it may be about a caretaker,because It cannot be a replacement so quick,as SM said,there is a week for applications to go in,to start with.
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Something dorsn't add up, he gives Copps a new contract and then resigns
I hope who ever comes knows Copps as he could look at his birth certificate and wonder why at 37 he was given another contract .
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Something dorsn't add up, he gives Copps a new contract and then resigns
I hope who ever comes knows Copps as he could look at his birth certificate and wonder why at 37 he was given another contract .
If the new manager doesn't know Copps he shouldn't be in management
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You obviously don't know SM at all with that statement. Nobody but nobody impresses Martin without good justification and certainly the sun doesn't shine out of anybody's backside.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
I think he's walked because he has a job lined up, and if that turns out to be the case then his integrity is shot in my opinion, he was lucky to keep his job after the relegation fiasco
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I would expect a Caretaker taking over most duties to be announced soon,possible Redfern or strachan,with the permanent manager taking weeks to be decided.
Not sure there's any logic to a caretaker taking over in the close season. The new appointment will need to be done a lot more quicker than the lost one though.
I agree,Im just going on the BBC qoute saying fans will be informed in 24 hours,Im thinking it may be about a caretaker,because It cannot be a replacement so quick,as SM said,there is a week for applications to go in,to start with.
That BBC article is simply bad wording, nothing new there, as if you look at the Rovers statement on it they say they are going to provide more information in the next 24 hours. Understandably so, because this is out of the blue at 10pm at night so they have some clarifying of their position to do tomorrow.
I get the sense Fergie has ambushed the club and media a bit by putting out that statement through the LMA perhaps a day earlier than everyone else was expecting.
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Nudga, Dickos1 and DonnyOsmond you can all go suck my man part. I said in Big Announcement that I would not be surprised if Fergie left and you shot me down. He wanted two players for each position, and then he backed down and talked of flexible players, and then all he could sign was 8th tier players. The writing was on the wall and you were all too stupid to see it or believe me. No moves have been made for good players and the board are not coughing up the budget, it is obvious. Even the board can’t have the decency to thank Fergie for all his work, disgraceful. We’ll see if Gavin stays ....
Finding another manager and signing new players before next season means we will probably struggle for another season. Thanks to the board. Fergie was as good a manager as we could have expected at Doncaster.
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I suppose we start yet another 5 year plan or was this part of it ?
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I still to this day can’t believe how he survived the second half of 2015/16.
Yes, he redeemed himself somewhat in 16/17 and yes he achieved the primary aim this season. But given the forebearance that the club showed him after that historically appalling run in 2016, it always jarred the way he constantly complained about the resources at his disposal.
I wanted him to be a success. But frankly, f**k the Herr Lipp lookalike get.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
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What is "the quite obvious point"? DF has resigned from the post, not the board sacked DF because they did not feel he could achieve their ambitions.
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What's the point of a 5 year plan, when the Board can't provide the resources to keep a manager in post for 5 years? Clueless!
Get ready for yet another drop into L2 and maybe even lower.
What a bloody waste of time.
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Alan - what utter bloody drivel. You are Private Fraser and I claim my fiver.
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Fergie jr is a wealthy man. He has choices. He owns a very sucessful business outside of football with his dad. The business is worth millions.
The business they are directors of is only a company SAF gets paid commercial revenue into.
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DF @ MK b4 WC
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
utter clap trap. Have you got millions to invest?
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What's the point of a 5 year plan, when the Board can't provide the resources to keep a manager in post for 5 years? Clueless!
Get ready for yet another drop into L2 and maybe even lower.
What a bloody waste of time.
blinking heck...Samaritans were busy
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2
We've been in league two only once in 15 years
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So, with a clear head on the matter this morning. I’m a little disappointed / concerned as to the inference of his departure, but far from gutted. I hope the sourcing of a new manager doesn’t drag on too long, but the time to pass judgement is when the new manager is in place and the team is lining up for the start of the season. Only then will we be able to provide an assessment of what the implications of all this are / were on our ambitions.
Depending on who comes in this could be an exciting time - we’ll see shortly.
There’s a lot of rubbish written on here. I certainly don’t see the news of the last 12 hours turning us into relegation fodder. Whether it translates into progress - the jury’s out at least until we make an appointment and shape our recruitment.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
So you are saying he was pushed then?
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Whatever the reason, the fact he feels it necessary to resign has to be worrying. There’s no way he would leave if he though he had a good chance of promotion.
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If he’s been left with no alternative I would suggest whoever comes in is going to have a shite budget.
I did say back in January he had been told he couldn’t sign any of the players he wanted, maybe he’s been told the same again
If he was told that why did we then go and shell out six figures on Whiteman, who's since done the square root of f**k all?
Maybe they just don't trust him with their money, particularly after the Evina fiasco. I'm shocked he's resigned though, normally they just wait to get the bullet and take the payout.
He'll have resigned now because he has something else in the offing. I think there's a lot in what you say about Evina et al. You can add the likes of Williams, Mandeville and Lund to that list. All given new deals then bombed out.
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Etheridge, Garratt, May - all dumped and hung out after a bad performance. None of us was in training sessions and players do speak highly of him, but externally man management looked akin to small child throwing various toys from pram.
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I still to this day can’t believe how he survived the second half of 2015/16.
Yes, he redeemed himself somewhat in 16/17 and yes he achieved the primary aim this season. But given the forebearance that the club showed him after that historically appalling run in 2016, it always Jarred the way he constant complained about the resources at his disposal.
I wanted him to be a success. But frankly, f**k the Herr Lipp lookalike get.
I've said it many times - there are not many clubs where the manager would have survived a run like that, especially when he was brought in with the main aim of avoiding relegation.
He then managed to finish third in a one horse race and just recently he promised a strong finish, then saw the season peter out as we played some of the most turgid football imaginable.
No tears shed here, especially because the timing of his statement suggests he has other irons in the fire.
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With you on that TRB, amen.
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BUTLER & COPPS...DREAM TEAM
WELL IT WORKED WITH PENNEY???????
REGARDS
RAY
The romantic in me says that sounds great. But the pragmatist in me thinks back to Ian Snodin, a guy I loved as a player who ended up getting sacked as manager with us heading for the Unibond League.
Butts and Copps are legends and that's how I want to remember them, not as failed managers.
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You can see on social media his relationship with the players is still strong.
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Hopefully it is a case of DF getting in the first blow and the real reason is that he has been (in a round about way) sacked.
if this is the case then fine, I for one wont lose any sleep over him going.
If on the other hand however..............
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
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I still to this day can’t believe how he survived the second half of 2015/16.
Yes, he redeemed himself somewhat in 16/17 and yes he achieved the primary aim this season. But given the forebearance that the club showed him after that historically appalling run in 2016, it always Jarred the way he constant complained about the resources at his disposal.
I wanted him to be a success. But frankly, f**k the Herr Lipp lookalike get.
I've said it many times - there are not many clubs where the manager would have survived a run like that, especially when he was brought in with the main aim of avoiding relegation.
He then managed to finish third in a one horse race and just recently he promised a strong finish, then saw the season peter out as we played some of the most turgid football imaginable.
No tears shed here, especially because the timing of his statement suggests he has other irons in the fire.
Yes, I can’t argue with any of that TRB
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Etheridge, Garratt, May - all dumped and hung out after a bad performance. None of us was in training sessions and players do speak highly of him, but externally man management looked akin to small child throwing various toys from pram.
Nobody in their right mind would have kept etheridge in goal after the start he made here
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He's obviously got a better offer and, compared to that club's budget, he can say ours is not enough. Well sod off then, no-one will mourn your passing.
I never warmed to the bloke. He seems an angry sort and that approach isn't the way to work with toddlers never mind grown-ups.
I look forward to getting a new manager who will take us forward, rather than backwards and then back to where we were.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
You speak like DF hasn't resigned, and was in fact sacked
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
You speak like DF hasn't resigned, and was in fact sacked
Exactly, the only information we’ve got is Fergie saying he’s resigned as he had no alternative, but Martin keeps implying this isn’t true
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Well the board need a statement today assuring us fans of the clubs ambition going forward.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
The evidence points to the opposite.
Im thinking DF forced the board to show their true colours.
We will see won't we
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
utter clap trap. Have you got millions to invest?
The point is - they have.
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There were rumours of unrest as far back as December and anyone, Dickos especially, who suggested such was shot down as a shit stirrer. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and that pudding has just been swallowed.
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
Don’t you think butler was a leader?
As for mason looking lost, I thought he was our best player for the majority of last season
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
utter clap trap. Have you got millions to invest?
The point is - they have.
The thing is that it isn’t an investment. It’s a donation. You expect to see a return on an investment.
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Well this is interesting news to wake up to.
Unlike many of you "in the know", I will never know the reason or reasons for what has happened, just got to hope we have a good season next season, and closed season and preseason are not necessarily indicative of how the season will go.
I don't think people slating the budget have seen the budget, but I don't see the benefit in this conversation of Martin saying "you're wrong". I understand that his hands may be tied in what can be said, but when the majority of those posts fall into two camps, one of saying "that isn't correct" or secondly, pointing out when someone's passions have clearly gone ahead of then and they've claimed something ludicrous, I think it's an approach that has gone stale with time.
This isn't to take away from the doubtless value that is brought behind closed doors, in the other direction, but where forums are used to release frustration and angst, the lack of information within what can be said can only serve to build tension rather than a link with the club.
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Ferguson will long be remembered here by his continuous practice of making decent players look poor by playing them out of position and seemingly being unable to acknowledge the fact.
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Comfortably on the fence with this one. Despite his success at Posh I always thought that was down to big spending that he'd never get here. On the flip side, he seemed committed to progressing the club in all aspects and seemed to speak a lot of sense. We can debate finer details like multiple keepers and dodgy contract extensions but whilst the full truth may never come out, the next few weeks will help answer a few questions in terms of where he ends up and the calibre of manager we attract.
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I think he’ll be remembered for the good signings he’s made of young players
Ie Wright, mason, beestin, whiteman, lawlor, who I’m sure will all have very good careers and we will make good money on all of them
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
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Etheridge, Garratt, May - all dumped and hung out after a bad performance. None of us was in training sessions and players do speak highly of him, but externally man management looked akin to small child throwing various toys from pram.
Nobody in their right mind would have kept etheridge in goal after the start he made here
I hear that Liverpool are interested in Etheridge.... :blink:
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
There is no evidence for the best budgets in the League as they refused to release it. It's just words.
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I hope we get David Flitcroft in - at least we'll save on buying a new tracksuit...... :whistle:
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
Yeah this sort of confirms my feelings around it.
Which is basically the board don't trust him to spend the budget wisely.
The extention for Williams and then not playing him. The knee jerk reaction to spend God knows how much on the not very good Whiteman etc.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
That answers no questions at all,
He said he was left with no alternative but to resign, at the minute there’s only you saying he was pushed rather going of his own accord.
So maybe we will know more when the board come out with their statement, if they say they wanted him to stay but he wanted to leave then it will be obvious why he’s left
The chief executive came out in the press only a couple of weeks ago stating how happy they were with Ferguson and how excited they were with the future with the plans Ferguson had
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
There is no evidence for the best budgets in the League as they refused to release it. It's just words.
Of course they've released it, they have to do it on a quarterly basis, the same as every other club in the EFL.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
This seems a reasonable conclusion. Putting aside the relegation, he did a serviceable job but not more than that in League One. We need someone who with decent but not spectacular budgets can push on - we always felt to be soft-peddling in this league under Ferguson.
Not sure what he was thinking though trying to take on the Board last month with so little credit in his account. SOD could bugger around with Burnley and Blades as he was SOD but Ferguson was trying to cash a cheque for a million quid with only his JSA in the account.
A decent manager for us but not someone who ever really looked like being a great manager for us.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
Can you give us some clarity on this?
All the articles seem to point towards Fergie leaving because he wasn't happy with the budget to me. You seem to be suggesting otherwise?
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
That answers no questions at all,
He said he was left with no alternative but to resign, at the minute there’s only you saying he was pushed rather going of his own accord.
So maybe we will know more when the board come out with their statement, if they say they wanted him to stay but he wanted to leave then it will be obvious why he’s left
The chief executive came out in the press only a couple of weeks ago stating how happy they were with Ferguson and how excited they were with the future with the plans Ferguson had
You're doing it again. A) I haven't suggested he's lying, and B) I haven't said that he was pushed.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
There is no evidence for the best budgets in the League as they refused to release it. It's just words.
Of course they've released it, they have to do it on a quarterly basis, the same as every other club in the EFL.
Ok great cheers. Can you fire us in the right direction?
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It appears externally and without any direct knowledge that he did only an adequate job and probably undershot expectations, all while stirrring up in the media his desire for a major budget increase that his performance did not merit. I would guess also that this decision might have been made a few weeks earlier at the time of his meltdown in the local press, but for the very sad circumstances of his father.
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Can interpret it however you want. Just because Ferguson felt he had "no alternative" but to resign doesn't mean that the club has no ambition or that the budget is poor.
It might suggest that Darren Ferguson THINKS the budget is poor, but I would suggest that he's been used to having a blank cheque at Peterborough and maybe doesn't like the fact that he's got to work within more sensible parameters.
I don't think he's done much to prove he's not just a chequebook manager.
My interpretation is that he's asked the board for more money, they've told him they expect him to work with the current budget (which they clearly perceive to be sufficient), and he's not taken it well.
Whether that budget IS adequate, we'll see. Fergusons statement gives a very one-sided perspective.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
Can you give us some clarity on this?
All the articles seem to point towards Fergie leaving because he wasn't happy with the budget to me. You seem to be suggesting otherwise?
What articles? You mean the FP? Hardly a source of infinite wisdom.
I've said it numerous times in the last few hours, the playing budget wasn't cut.
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Only just heard the news this morning. Shocked as I did not see this coming. Could be a blessing in disguise as let’s face it most of the football last season was pretty dire. Tactics and formations were all over the place and players constantly being played in wrong positions.
Was happy to give him this season to see where he could take us.
Not to be so let’s get the right man in. Onwards and upwards. :rtid:
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
That answers no questions at all,
He said he was left with no alternative but to resign, at the minute there’s only you saying he was pushed rather going of his own accord.
So maybe we will know more when the board come out with their statement, if they say they wanted him to stay but he wanted to leave then it will be obvious why he’s left
The chief executive came out in the press only a couple of weeks ago stating how happy they were with Ferguson and how excited they were with the future with the plans Ferguson had
You're doing it again. A) I haven't suggested he's lying, and B) I haven't said that he was pushed.
Youve stated the board do have ambition which is why Ferguson isn’t here anymore and you’ve also stated he’s gone because we finished 16th with a top ten budget.
Neither of these statements agree with his statement of him resigning
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Can interpret it however you want. Just because Ferguson felt he had "no alternative" but to resign doesn't mean that the club has no ambition or that the budget is poor.
It might suggest that Darren Ferguson THINKS the budget is poor, but I would suggest that he's been used to having a blank cheque at Peterborough and maybe doesn't like the fact that he's got to work within more sensible parameters.
I don't think he's done much to prove he's not just a chequebook manager.
My interpretation is that he's asked the board for more money, they've told him they expect him to work with the current budget (which they clearly perceive to be sufficient), and he's not taken it well.
Whether that budget IS adequate, we'll see. Fergusons statement gives a very one-sided perspective.
It is important therefore that the board and CEO get their act together to give us their version of "the resignation"
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
All we know at the minute is Ferguson left of his own accord, so that certainly doesn’t suggest the board have ambition.
Their ambition will only be known when we see who the new appointment is and the players we sign
He said, 'after discussions with the board' he felt he had to resign. Having one of the best budgets in the league and finishing 16th should answer your question.
Yeah this sort of confirms my feelings around it.
Which is basically the board don't trust him to spend the budget wisely.
The extention for Williams and then not playing him. The knee jerk reaction to spend God knows how much on the not very good Whiteman etc.
Williams signed a 3 year contract with us in June 2015 which has now expired.
So I’m not sure he’s ever signed an extension?
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Can interpret it however you want. Just because Ferguson felt he had "no alternative" but to resign doesn't mean that the club has no ambition or that the budget is poor.
It might suggest that Darren Ferguson THINKS the budget is poor, but I would suggest that he's been used to having a blank cheque at Peterborough and maybe doesn't like the fact that he's got to work within more sensible parameters.
I don't think he's done much to prove he's not just a chequebook manager.
My interpretation is that he's asked the board for more money, they've told him they expect him to work with the current budget (which they clearly perceive to be sufficient), and he's not taken it well.
Whether that budget IS adequate, we'll see. Fergusons statement gives a very one-sided perspective.
It is important therefore that the board and CEO get their act together to give us their version of "the resignation"
I agree, you'd normally expect the usual thanks and good wishes, but in this case DF has caught everyone out by releasing a statement via the LMA, very disrespectful in my opinion and paints the board in a bad light, so in my opinion the board need to put their side of the story out
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Sorry to see Darren go. But that decision has been made now. The club must move quickly to bring in a competitive manager to match their ambition. Although ambition is subjective depends on the individual. It as been said before that some ones ambition may not be the same has the clubs.
The CEO reiterated again at the end of last season the club had been moved forward under DF, which goes against the insinuation that the club were dissatisfied with his performance. The CEO also said the 5 year plan was still ongoing and being consolidated in the Championship by 2022. That means in my opinion promotion by at least 2020.
So the process has begun, and if the board were not satisfied by DF then surely that process ie. talking to people could have already started.
We will only see if what is perceived as ambition when a new manager is appointed and quality players are signed.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
Can you give us some clarity on this?
All the articles seem to point towards Fergie leaving because he wasn't happy with the budget to me. You seem to be suggesting otherwise?
What articles? You mean the FP? Hardly a source of infinite wisdom.
I've said it numerous times in the last few hours, the playing budget wasn't cut.
His own statement - you seem to be suggesting something very different what his statement is clearly suggesting - him being unhappy with the budget.
"The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager." - elaborate
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Official statements whether issued by football clubs or governments are there to say as little as possible - not to give you the full picture.
You do not have to be sitting at the Board table to see what has gone on here - manager without huge amounts of achievement at the club has been making case aggressively in local media about his desire for greater budget and overstepped the mark, leading to relations souring. You try going into work and telling your employers where they are going wrong and see what happens.
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
Don’t you think butler was a leader?
As for mason looking lost, I thought he was our best player for the majority of last season
Agree with you on Mason, and yes Butler is very much a leader.
However, do you remember in the relegation season when he subbed Butler after a half time bust up and left him out for a few games afterwards, even though the team was clearly missing his influence.
I suggested at the time that DF didn’t like players that stood up to him.
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"The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager." - elaborate
Surely that’s Martins opinion has a supporter. When talking to the club has the supporters board only deal with governance not the running of the playing side of football.
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"The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager." - elaborate
Surely that’s Martins opinion has a supporter. When talking to the club has the supporters board only deal with governance not the running of the playing side of football.
Are you saying the supporters board are only there to discuss governance of the club?
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"The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager." - elaborate
Surely that’s Martins opinion has a supporter. When talking to the club has the supporters board only deal with governance not the running of the playing side of football.
Oh dear, why do you have to be so obtuse? I chat with the club on numerous levels, be it FSF, VSC or supporters board. The question about managers and budgets etc. crops up frequently, and budgets are quite clearly in the governance arena.
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I would be horrified if our supporter representative was being consulted on team issues! Jesus I have heard some of the blokes around me and they would be last folks you want making these decisions.
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I would be horrified if our supporter representative was being consulted on team issues! Jesus I have heard some of the blokes around me and they would be last folks you want making these decisions.
I don't think for a minute anyone is suggesting this.
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"The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager." - elaborate
Surely that’s Martins opinion has a supporter. When talking to the club has the supporters board only deal with governance not the running of the playing side of football.
Oh dear, why do you have to be so obtuse? I chat with the club on numerous levels, be it FSF, VSC or supporters board. The question about managers and budgets etc. crops up frequently, and budgets are quite clearly in the governance arena.
Does that mean you give your personal opinion on how the club is progressing or a representative view from either the FSF, VSC or supporters board.
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
Don’t you think butler was a leader?
As for mason looking lost, I thought he was our best player for the majority of last season
Butler was the best we had but no, he was too slow and wasn't a true leader in the old school sense, just a good team player. Agree that Mason was very good but week after week people who couldn't see he was out of position derided him and his skills on here. A true leader would have stopped some of the predictable turgid dross we have had to watch the majority of this season, thats my point.
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Amazing that the posters who were wanting DF to leave have now turned this around to blame the board are you sure you are not Arsenal fans ???
Let’s not bother to get the full story before making opinions
SM is as always trying to give us as much information as is available and I’m sure will update as and when
Chill guys it’s just another Rovers close season
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
Don’t you think butler was a leader?
As for mason looking lost, I thought he was our best player for the majority of last season
Agree with you on Mason, and yes Butler is very much a leader.
However, do you remember in the relegation season when he subbed Butler after a half time bust up and left him out for a few games afterwards, even though the team was clearly missing his influence.
I suggested at the time that DF didn’t like players that stood up to him.
I wasn’t aware of a dressing room bust up no.
But even if there we have no idea why, if he was standing up to him or not.
Bit for the last two years he’s played him every week and had him captain on many occasions so surely that’s a sign he’d not overly bothered if someone stands upto him or not
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Can interpret it however you want. Just because Ferguson felt he had "no alternative" but to resign doesn't mean that the club has no ambition or that the budget is poor.
It might suggest that Darren Ferguson THINKS the budget is poor, but I would suggest that he's been used to having a blank cheque at Peterborough and maybe doesn't like the fact that he's got to work within more sensible parameters.
I don't think he's done much to prove he's not just a chequebook manager.
My interpretation is that he's asked the board for more money, they've told him they expect him to work with the current budget (which they clearly perceive to be sufficient), and he's not taken it well.
Whether that budget IS adequate, we'll see. Fergusons statement gives a very one-sided perspective.
It is important therefore that the board and CEO get their act together to give us their version of "the resignation"
I agree, you'd normally expect the usual thanks and good wishes, but in this case DF has caught everyone out by releasing a statement via the LMA, very disrespectful in my opinion and paints the board in a bad light, so in my opinion the board need to put their side of the story out
Spot on.
He made his statement first to save face.
Now fetch Grayson/Snods in please.
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Can't forgive him for taking us down with a tailspin he couldn't address then simply taking us back up to where we were Hartlepool said it all to me. The football was pedestrian at best and players like Mason were looking lost where he played them, and I still don't know what the "diamond" was an what it would achieve. More importantly to me was his lack of a true leader aka Rob Jones, Wellens etc. Copps wasn't in that mould, other strengths, but not a Roy Keane etc. My theory for what its worth is that he didn't want a strong leader as it could present a challenge to him and he didn't want that scenario, not as a manager but a challenge to tactics etc. Jut a thought? Don't wish him anything bad but I never warmed to him personally....
Don’t you think butler was a leader?
As for mason looking lost, I thought he was our best player for the majority of last season
Agree with you on Mason, and yes Butler is very much a leader.
However, do you remember in the relegation season when he subbed Butler after a half time bust up and left him out for a few games afterwards, even though the team was clearly missing his influence.
I suggested at the time that DF didn’t like players that stood up to him.
I wasn’t aware of a dressing room bust up no.
But even if there we have no idea why, if he was standing up to him or not.
Bit for the last two years he’s played him every week and had him captain on many occasions so surely that’s a sign he’d not overly bothered if someone stands upto him or not
I was told about it by a player who was also in the dressing room when it happened.
It was during the run of defeats when we were persisting with a back three and Butler spoke out about it not being suitable at that time, basically saying that it wasn’t working.
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There’ll be bust ups every week in every dressing room. But the fact he made him captain and played him every week showed there’s no overriding issue
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There’ll be bust ups every week in every dressing room. But the fact he made him captain and played him every week showed there’s no overriding issue
I know about dressings rooms, as you do too.
They obviously kissed and made up but the fact that he left Butler out when the team needed him also showed that he didn’t like a player going against him in front of others and also displayed his stubbornness to the detriment of results.
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I have no trouble believing that that happened, because I remember plain as day the sudden absence of Butler in the team. Many of us thought he'd be leaving when we went down because Fergie clearly didn't like him. Perhaps if we had stayed up he'd have been let go but thankfully he wasn't and Fergie turned around on him.
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Bloody hell..
I just read through this thread and if "conclusion jumping" became an olympic sport then GB would have all the medals sewn up with folks on this forum.
Since when did speculation, opinion, hearsay etc become evidence?
Fergie's gone - the important thing now is to move on and find the next manager.
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I remember when John Ryan sacked Dave Penney, who was far more successful than Fergie has been for us and I don't remember seeing this amount of meltdown
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I remember when John Ryan sacked Dave Penney, who was far more successful than Fergie has been for us and I don't remember seeing this amount of meltdown
In fairness posting shite on the internet wasn't as big a thing as it is now.
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I know it’s great in it !
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I remember when John Ryan sacked Dave Penney, who was far more successful than Fergie has been for us and I don't remember seeing this amount of meltdown
You are right about Dave Penney’s success but if compare the side he had in league 1 especially it had better players than we have got know.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
Can you give us some clarity on this?
All the articles seem to point towards Fergie leaving because he wasn't happy with the budget to me. You seem to be suggesting otherwise?
What articles? You mean the FP? Hardly a source of infinite wisdom.
I've said it numerous times in the last few hours, the playing budget wasn't cut.
The problem with the club Martin, is the fact that they don't tell the fans anything for an age and then that sets in hysteria and speculation and leaves us all fighting against each other. It's as if they don't value the fans until it's time for season ticket renewal then they want to be our best buddies. We, the fans, pay a lot of money, sometimes we can't afford to be part of our club, the least we deserve is information, just my opinion.
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A board with no ambition, except to keep us yo-yoing between Lg.1 and 2, unwilling to give an ambitious manager the funds to improve the side, so he walks. Silent majority will not like this as the sun shines out of the boards according to him. They can do no wrong, but the proof is there for all to see, just watch the massive investment in signing juniors this summer to "improve the squad".
You miss the quite obvious point. The board do have ambition which is why DF will no longer be our manager.
Can you give us some clarity on this?
All the articles seem to point towards Fergie leaving because he wasn't happy with the budget to me. You seem to be suggesting otherwise?
What articles? You mean the FP? Hardly a source of infinite wisdom.
I've said it numerous times in the last few hours, the playing budget wasn't cut.
The problem with the club Martin, is the fact that they don't tell the fans anything for an age and then that sets in hysteria and speculation and leaves us all fighting against each other. It's as if they don't value the fans until it's time for season ticket renewal then they want to be our best buddies. We, the fans, pay a lot of money, sometimes we can't afford to be part of our club, the least we deserve is information, just my opinion.
I tend to agree to an extent, today is an example, we had the short statement last night saying yes Fergie has left, then today total silence, it breeds speculation and rumours, most unfounded. So we fans have to try and read between the lines to work things out
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Liam Hoden confirmed on Twitter that there is still a statement due out today, although I am surprised it hasn't been issued earlier.
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That is the point, it should be out there in the morning after to save any panic with us fan, i love my club but they drive me to dispare some times
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The thing I found odd about DF was his decision to give extended contracts to players, then later concluding that they were not part of his plans.
Evina, Middleton, Lund are examples.
Having made a poor choice about how to spend his budget, did he then expect the BoD to cough up more to cover his mistake?
You would lose faith in his judgment if that were the case.
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That is the point, it should be out there in the morning after to save any panic with us fan, i love my club but they drive me to dispare some times
Why would there be any panic? How many clubs change manager each season, some more than once?? I would be more worried if there was no movement with a new manager this time next month, but to need informatino so urgently isn't going to make any difference.
The clamour for instant information these days really makes my piss boil, in general, not aimed at you vicar..
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Almost as if people are looking for any reason to have a dig at the club, isn't it. Imagine that...
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im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
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im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
The problem though Dave was the timing of the announcement by DF. Nobody knew that it was coming quite late on a Monday evening, the staff would have been at home and not prepared. As it happens the club put out a holding statement last night with plans for a more detailed response today, which they've now done.
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im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
The problem though Dave was the timing of the announcement by DF. Nobody knew that it was coming quite late on a Monday evening, the staff would have been at home and not prepared. As it happens the club put out a holding statement last night with plans for a more detailed response today, which they've now done.
I wonder why DF chose that time of night to announce it, it could have eaited till this morning surely?
Unless he already had a meeting lined up today with potential future employers
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He was probably just getting in there first and being awkward
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im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
Just chill out, it'll work itself out. There is nothing to argue or speculate. We are recruiting a new manager (who has the ability to manage in the Championship). That's good enough for me, is it not good enough for you?
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The thing I found odd about DF was his decision to give extended contracts to players, then later concluding that they were not part of his plans.
Evina, Middleton, Lund are examples.
Having made a poor choice about how to spend his budget, did he then expect the BoD to cough up more to cover his mistake?
You would lose faith in his judgment if that were the case.
What about Etheridge? He was brought in by Ferguson to be our #1 and admittedly after a few mistakes he was dumped out of club. It was his signing and as the main guy not some youth bloke stuck in at last minute. If he was deficient in some way then shoulder the burden - you signed the guy!
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It's like no other managers given contracts to players then later regretted it...
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im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
Ever since I've been on this forum you've had a problem with Terry Brammall.
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Best thing for the club in 3 years
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The thing I found odd about DF was his decision to give extended contracts to players, then later concluding that they were not part of his plans.
Evina, Middleton, Lund are examples.
Having made a poor choice about how to spend his budget, did he then expect the BoD to cough up more to cover his mistake?
You would lose faith in his judgment if that were the case.
What about Etheridge? He was brought in by Ferguson to be our #1 and admittedly after a few mistakes he was dumped out of club. It was his signing and as the main guy not some youth bloke stuck in at last minute. If he was deficient in some way then shoulder the burden - you signed the guy!
At the Accrington away game I was stood next to his dad who said despite other offers Etheridge signed for us because his agent was a mate of Fergie's. A shame that it went so badly for him especially as he wasn't even the worst keeper on the pitch that day.
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The other one has just signed for Peterborough