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Ed Balls talking to Ian Blackford on GMB this morning:“The House of Commons has rules. You were saying the Prime Minister should not break the rule of misleading the House of Commons.“At the same time, you were undermining the rules of the House of Commons because you know full well the Speaker has to enforce the rules that you can’t call people a liar.“It seems a bit disingenuous to me for you to claim you didn’t know what you were doing, you did that to get thrown out.”
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.
My older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.
My older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Trying to disregard Billy’s preconceived nonsense, Tommy, my point is it is very difficult to debate anything regarding Johnson or this Government with you.I never inferred that you thought your brother (or me, for that matter) was a serial fool. But with Johnson, you appear to think there is no debate to be had. That’s wrong, but unfortunately, it’s another example of the ‘with me or agin me’ state of discussion we are trapped in at the moment.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 11:01:12 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Trying to disregard Billy’s preconceived nonsense, Tommy, my point is it is very difficult to debate anything regarding Johnson or this Government with you.I never inferred that you thought your brother (or me, for that matter) was a serial fool. But with Johnson, you appear to think there is no debate to be had. That’s wrong, but unfortunately, it’s another example of the ‘with me or agin me’ state of discussion we are trapped in at the moment.Here we go again.You said that i believe that anyone who doesn't think like me is a fool.Which kind of infers that on any subject anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. This is not so as has been proved to me on many occasions throughout my life.By the way BST is spot on as usual.
Belton.You are right that I will hear nothing good about Johnson and this Government.They keep going on about how they've rolled out the most successful vaccine project, when blow me, I thought it was the scientists and the NHS who'd done all the work.Brexit is a disaster and as time goes by we'll all recognise that.Just think about it, what's good about getting trade deals with Australia and NZ, when we had better deals with no red tape with countries on our doorstep.Doesn't make any sense.Still. we've taken back control and have £350m going into the NHS every week
Belton.What you wrote is there in black and white. There was no 'perhaps'I ain't going down this road with you again.Have a good day.I'm off to do some unpaid work for the village now.
Quote from: drfchound on February 01, 2022, 08:48:39 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 08:46:04 amQuote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.Yes he does.It isn’t hard to see why.Fair enough.I have no regard at all for you either, whereas I respect BB for his forthrightness.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 08:46:04 amQuote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.Yes he does.It isn’t hard to see why.
Quote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.
TT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour party
BB.1) On Brexit, the Bank of England tells us that we have lost £727 per second over the past 5 years de to the Brexit vote. You are perfectly at liberty to explain how we a) stop that loss and b) make up the difference. Please point me to some specific policies that you reckon can turn that around.2) On Johnson, I was in this instance talking about his honesty and decency. I assume, since you've never once said anything to the contrary, that you are happy with him on those issues, but in the wider population, there's a growing realisation that they've been had by a pathological liar, and that having a pathological liar in charge is a very bad thing. That doesn't mean I think those people are incapable of getting any decision right. Whereas you, by your own words, are so against the people you see on the other side of the debate that you'd rather be wrong and support a liar than admit they might have a point.
It doesn't have to be one or the other though. It's fine to think that Boris is a Kitson but also think that the opposition isn't up to much either. A bit like the football tonight, I'm not wholely convinced that Rovers are good enough to get the job done, but it doesn't mean I'm buying a ticket in the away end.
Back on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?
Back on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin.