Sheffield Supertram

[drfchound]

My apologies , came in at £220m , anyway what's a few million when you've got this .

Really proud of this .


https://youtu.be/Qqx0itw-IUA?si=nyvjAoPiyEJKGttG

You have a right to be proud of that regeneration Tyke.
If Donny could be like that, have cheap or free car parking areas and restore the market then I’m sure plenty of people would go back to shopping there.

[roversdude]

I honestly think DMBC have shares in Meadowhall as they do their best to stop locals shopping in the centre

[danumdon]

My apologies , came in at £220m , anyway what's a few million when you've got this .

Really proud of this .


https://youtu.be/Qqx0itw-IUA?si=nyvjAoPiyEJKGttG

You have a right to be proud of that regeneration Tyke.
If Donny could be like that, have cheap or free car parking areas and restore the market then I’m sure plenty of people would go back to shopping there.

Too true,

Meanwhile if the Frenchgate has any more shops shutting down it could well be the answer to the Cities homeless problem!!

[SydneyRover]

………….. When asked about the rumours of increased funding from Doncaster for the Sheffield Supertram, Ros Jones said ‘there was an article in the Beano some years ago and a local troll has tried recently to make more of it but has totally failed to provide supporting evidence’ We just don’t have time to listen to such nonsense and ignore those trying to big themselves up. Doncaster Council Finances are on a firm footing going forwards and we are all working hard together to maintain services as best we can under the hostile conditions created by central government'

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

[SydneyRover]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

Is there more cash from Doncaster pud?

[Sprotyrover]

………….. When asked about the rumours of increased funding from Doncaster for the Sheffield Supertram, Ros Jones said ‘there was an article in the Beano some years ago and a local troll has tried recently to make more of it but has totally failed to provide supporting evidence’ We just don’t have time to listen to such nonsense and ignore those trying to big themselves up. Doncaster Council Finances are on a firm footing going forwards and we are all working hard together to maintain services as best we can under the hostile conditions created by central government'

Where is your link to Ros Browns comment?

[Sprotyrover]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

https://www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk/p/doncaster-and-barnsley-are-helping?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

https://www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk/p/doncaster-and-barnsley-are-helping?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Go in then.

What amount NET is Doncaster now paying?

[drfchound]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

The evidence is very easy to find isn’t it tyke.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

https://www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk/p/doncaster-and-barnsley-are-helping?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Go in then.

What amount NET is Doncaster now paying?

You tell me and tell me why you think the financials of a loss making scheme adds up and if that money could be used in better ways?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wasn't aiming a question at you BFYP, but since you ask...

Not everything has to have a bottom line profit itself. Some things are subsidised because they are deemed to have a net benefit for society.

So, you wouldn't (unless you are a batshit far right fundamentalist) expect a school to break even without subsidy from society.

Me, I'd say the same about public transport. I'd make it all free at the point of use and subsidise it through taxes.

Because this is about what is best for society in the round, not a focussed accounting exercise.

And yes, I absolutely agree that Doncaster should not be subsidising Sheffield's supertram. Which is why I asked Sproty if he knows if, and how much Doncaster IS doing. The article he posted gives no indication, and to be honest, the quality of the writing is crap, which makes me wonder.

[Sprotyrover]

Aye the beano.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/mayor-ros-jones-no-more-cash-from-doncaster-taxpayers-for-supertram-473549

https://www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk/p/doncaster-and-barnsley-are-helping?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Go in then.

What amount NET is Doncaster now paying?

If we fork out £1 it blows your pathetic claim that Doncaster is the most financially deprived place in the UK doesn’t it soft lad?

[drfchound]

From Nick Fletchers Twitter:

HISTORY OF SHEFFIELD SUPERTRAMS

It is important to look back at history and make sure we don’t make the same mistakes again. Last time Sheffield took the Supertrams on they lost money hand over fist.

Taxpayers money of £241m was spent setting up these trams. They couldn’t be made to pay. The 27 year franchise to run them was sold for £1m. That’s right. An overall loss to the taxpayer of £240m.

A loss to South Yorkshire of £115m. As reported by the Yorkshire Post, we in Doncaster have been paying it back ever since over the past 27 years. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/oliver-coppard-seeking-am…

Now the franchise is up and the Labour South Yorkshire Mayor wants to have another go at it. The four Labour controlled councils in the county have agreed. Memories are short it would seem.

In the late 1990s, Doncaster council, along with Sheffield, Rotherham, and Barnsley Councils became jointly liable for a reported £115 million shortfall in funding for the Sheffield Supertram. The figure for Doncaster City Council’s direct liability is unknown as there was no Conservative MP then to establish this.

However 22% of £115m is £25.3m. That would be our share by population assuming the percentage was the same in 1996.

[SydneyRover]

Ros Jones said back in 2018 “no more cash from Doncaster taxpayers for Supertram”.
She has changed her mind!

from The Tribune:

“Imagine going out to a restaurant with three friends and, for some inexplicable reason, you and one other friend decide to order nothing. Half the table patiently sips tap water, while one person tucks into a main and another enjoys a full three-course meal. At the end, they cheerfully suggest you split the bill into equal quarters.
This is the situation that Barnsley and Doncaster find themselves in as the region prepares to bring the Supertram system into public control. It’s a change that will require significant financial investment which, according to South Yorkshire mayor Oliver Coppard, “is a down payment on our ambitions for a different type of transport network in South Yorkshire”. Except, at least for the foreseeable future, said network doesn’t cover South Yorkshire; it covers Sheffield and a bit of Rotherham. So what’s in it for the region’s two other councils?”

It would be nice if the proportion paid by Doncaster Councils funding could be spent on one of the poorest areas in the UK (apparently) and improve our City centre.
Of course some of it could also go towards re instating the airport.
I wonder how many of our residents actually use the failing Sheffield tram system which is due to go public this year and lose £6.3m in its first year of operation.

[SydneyRover]

nic fletcher

''In his first notable media presence, as part of a debate in the UK Parliament's Westminster Hall, for International Men's Day 2021, Fletcher claimed that male role models in film and television were being replaced by women (namely Luke Skywalker, The Equalizer, Doctor Who, and The Ghostbusters), linking that to the number of young men turning to crime.[11][12][13] His apparent opposition to women playing these roles was criticised by fellow MPs (including Luke Pollard), and also condemned by social media users as sexist and misogynistic''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fletcher_(politician)

Alice + Alice

[Ldr]

If anyone can let us know the relevance of the above comment to the thread please let us know

[Sprotyrover]

It just goes to show what a ‘Numpty’ Syd is !

[SydneyRover]

Has any information surfaced that Ros Jones has committed any more money from Doncaster to the Sheffield Supertram, as suggested in/by the OP?

Wouldn't like to think that it was just another attack without foundation, aye?

[Sprotyrover]

Has any information surfaced that Ros Jones has committed any more money from Doncaster to the Sheffield Supertram, as suggested in/by the OP?

Wouldn't like to think that it was just another attack without foundation, aye?

Here you go Cubby
https://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2024/01/news-8369-all-south-yorkshire-councils.html

[Ldr]

Has any information surfaced that Ros Jones has committed any more money from Doncaster to the Sheffield Supertram, as suggested in/by the OP?

Wouldn't like to think that it was just another attack without foundation, aye?

Here you go Cubby
https://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2024/01/news-8369-all-south-yorkshire-councils.html

It’s not from the guardian Sprot, be prepared for it to be rejected

[SydneyRover]

Thanks sprot, finally after all the guesswork some numbers to look at.

[SydneyRover]

''Passenger numbers are down from a year of work laying new track and covid from 15m to 9.5m''

logic says this will improve as people move back out of their cars again.

The levy: ''The 2% increase would mean that Sheffield Council would pay in £23.6m, Doncaster £12.5m, Rotherham £10.6m and Barnsley £9.9m''

''The new company's five year strategy sees Supertram go through a recovery phase before an improvement phase and then a growth phase. The plan forecasts that the operating deficit will decline as energy prices begin to stabilise''

Please be aware when reading the comments that someone that lives in Doncaster supports Sheff Utd.

This link was provided in the commments

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[drfchound]

Has any information surfaced that Ros Jones has committed any more money from Doncaster to the Sheffield Supertram, as suggested in/by the OP?

Wouldn't like to think that it was just another attack without foundation, aye?

Here you go Cubby
https://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2024/01/news-8369-all-south-yorkshire-councils.html

It’s not from the guardian Sprot, be prepared for it to be rejected

It probably won’t  be in The Guardian mate.
We shouldn’t forget as well that figures quoted today will significantly increase over those thirty years, a bit like the HS2 project.