Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Rich_The_Conisbrough_Rover on October 17, 2017, 09:48:43 pm
-
WOW!
Onwards and upwards now, let’s get the ball rolling, absolute howler by Lawlor but nobody is perfect, thankfully it didn’t cost us the 3 points.
🔴⚪️🔴
-
Yep, great result. Funny old game!
-
the bluper own goal will be shown for years to come
-
Possibly the worst game of football I've ever seen by both teams.
-
We were shit and still won. No link between defence and attack. Constant hoof ball to Mandeville who had no one in support.
But as they say good teams play bad and win. Bad teams play bad and lose. We've done enough of the latter so it's good to do the former.
-
Once you go 2 up early it's never a good game, the onus was on them to attack and cause us problems and it didn't happen, very good performance for me as they created hardly anything
-
Once you go 2 up early it's never a good game, the onus was on them to attack and cause us problems and it didn't happen, very good performance for me as they created hardly anything
This. Again defence was good and we looked a decent side. They were always going to attack second half and did. Absolute shocker of a goal for them but then a shocker in the daft sending off.
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
-
Awful performance but 3 PST and we need another 3 on Saturday. Hats off to Toffolo who I thought was motm.
-
Once you go 2 up early it's never a good game, the onus was on them to attack and cause us problems and it didn't happen, very good performance for me as they created hardly anything
It did n't help us parking to bus so early in the game
-
Very gritty and determined performance
Feels a lot better than a very good performance and a defeat i.e. Shrewsbury
Done our homework on their zonal marking too and exposed it excellently
-
Lawlor redeemed himself with a great save in injury time. A win's a win!
-
Once you go 2 up early it's never a good game, the onus was on them to attack and cause us problems and it didn't happen, very good performance for me as they created hardly anything
It did n't help us parking to bus so early in the game
Not a case of parking bus
They had nothing to lose and went for it and we didn't have the players on the pitch to pick them off
Alfie did well when he came on
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
Got an assist though.
-
Impressed with their number 11, lots of pace and a deadly cross on him. Rowe our best player thus far. All in all, happy to take the points.
-
Thought baudry looked very rusty
-
Awful performance but 3 PST and we need another 3 on Saturday. Hats off to Toffolo who I thought was motm.
Thought he played very well tonight & wouldnt have been surprised if he got MOTM.
-
Not been a fan of Toffolo but he’s growing on me, didn’t look fit when he first arrived
Great save by Lawlor but my oh my will he have mares about that goal
Could we please have a whip round and buy Mandy some studs he spend more time on the floor than Lewis Guy
Beestin looked good in his brief appearance
Final word for the ref ..... shocker I’ve just about calmed down and we won
-
Great result! It'd be really good if we could win Saturday now and make it 3 home wins in a row
-
Well, Baudry's back and that's the main thing.
Could be a danger that Fergie might pull us out of a bad run! What will people talk about then? Oh yes, catering!
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
He was not awful Frosty!!
-
Got to agree that their No 11 Kennedy was class until his temper got the better of him
-
BBC blaming Baudry for their goal.
His back pass was too strong apparently....
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
He was not awful Frosty!!
Yes, he was.
-
Good result. And after his howler Lawlor ended up winning us the game with that save at the death. Great way to get rid of the post-gaffe jitters in time for the next game.
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
He was not awful Frosty!!
Yes, he was.
What in your opinion made him awful ?
-
It wasn't his best performance but there's been a lot worse individual performances this season.
A lot worse
-
If Rodney is the future of Dutch football no wonder they are in crisis. A woeful performance besides his assist.
-
BBC blaming Baudry for their goal.
His back pass was too strong apparently....
Press Association report so not the BBC's fault, but I agree that was an odd slant on it.
Lawlor however made up for his colossal mistake by saving that header at the death. I thought it was a certain goal, brilliant save.
We played well tonight, not sure what some people watch when they go to a game. Our defence was superb, such a strong, cohesive unit throughout that dealt with the considerable height of Hawkins, and at set pieces the defenders Burgess & Clarke too. I was very impressed, especially with how we kept them at bay in the second half up until the red card changed the dynamics of the game.
Mandeville was too tired by the end and didn't show enough physicality but let's give him credit, he had to play an unfamiliar, unsuited lone striker role against the biggest centre half pairing in the division, and he bagged a goal and had an impact on proceedings. We did keep resorting to the long ball up to him which was silly but it was hard to find any rhythm at times.
Tommy Rowe was superb I thought too, he should play off the striker every game if we want to get the best out of him all season.
As for Kongolo, he has that ability to take a ball on and run at defenders, they hate to play against players like him. He played alright, great assist for the opener and had a lot of hard work to do off the ball covering the beleagured Blair in the first half. He was much better than against Scunny for one, Frost, so can't agree with your statement on Rodders there at all.
-
I thought Kongolo was god awful as well. Didn't think the overall performance was bad at all though. We were effective.
-
Before this game started I would have taken a point against a good Pompey side. The lads did us proud tonight and worked their socks off! It's interesting how we view things differently, I thought Kongolo was class! Shame about Lawlor's error but still a superb keeper! Well done Donny!! ⚽️😀👍
-
I thought Kongolo was god awful as well. Didn't think the overall performance was bad at all though. We were effective.
Kongolo was very disciplined tonight & did all the basic things required from a midfielder very well. He didnt put in an outstanding perfirmance but to say he was awful or woeful is simply unfair.
-
Had Copps played tonight it would have been all over by halftime!!
-
Our main problem is our centre 3 midfield players are all young and naive. Rodney is good when he has the ball but when he hasn't, he has no idea and his awareness is shocking. But, he is a young lad. We need more experience and muscle in the middle - it's crying out for it. I have yet to see Whiteman live up to all the hype that he came with, but again, he's a young lad. This is our Achilles heel, our inconsistency and performances are dependant on 3 young lads getting it together. It may come, but it's not in evidence yet.
I sincerely hope Matty is ok as he had a good first half, but you know what, Selby, Mason was solid when he came on!
Mandeville? Well, put it this way, thank goodness Marquis is only out for 1 game.
Good 3 points tonight, but my, what hard work we made of it.
-
Whiteman scored a hat trick last week
-
But according to reports played no differently!
-
Not sure if Matty was feeling ok he seemed to misjudge about 4 times the ball going out on East Stand
-
Our main problem is our centre 3 midfield players are all young and naive. Rodney is good when he has the ball but when he hasn't, he has no idea and his awareness is shocking. But, he is a young lad. We need more experience and muscle in the middle - it's crying out for it. I have yet to see Whiteman live up to all the hype that he came with, but again, he's a young lad. This is our Achilles heel, our inconsistency and performances are dependant on 3 young lads getting it together. It may come, but it's not in evidence yet.
I sincerely hope Matty is ok as he had a good first half, but you know what, Selby, Mason was solid when he came on!
Mandeville? Well, put it this way, thank goodness Marquis is only out for 1 game.
Good 3 points tonight, but my, what hard work we made of it.
A bit harsh on Mandy there, he's never been a lone striker, and never will be, but he ran his blood to water tonight performing a thankless task
-
Yep been to the pub Alan to celebrate he did O.K. tonight when he came on,but we were two nil up when he came on and only won two one against ten men,ahem only joking mate.
I thought we did well all round tonight,the back three looked solid,Blair and Toffolo did O.K. against dangerous wide players,as did my favourite player when he came on,he did well.
Mandeville was always going to have a hard night of it, but took his goal well,and his close control at times caused problems,Rowe and Houghton both played very well, Whiteman got about the field and put a shift in.
Kolongo was a funny one to me,he seemed to do a lot of running after the ball in the first half without actualy touching it,the same with most of his challengers,he didnt get the ball,I thought that he did much better in the second half covering their runners when he played in front of our coaching staff.
Not the best game to watch ,but they are a decent outfit,and a good win and three points,bloody awful goal to give away though.
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
-
Burgess? Who's team do you support? Clearly not a rovers fan . Clearly no idea of a good player when you see 1 either!! Burgess assisted our goal by the way . Not sure you were at the game?
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
Are you for real. Burgess is a complete donkey of a player who thinks he is better than he is. As I said previously Kongolo was very disciplined tonight without being spectacular and did everything expected of a midfielder to an acceptable standard so to say he was awful is simply wrong!!
-
Well done lads just shows you how quick things can change. Three out of the last four won i won't hear anything against the EFL cup though it wasn't the regular side the win gave a bit of confidence to the squad. Last season it served us well and this season so far the same.
-
Burgess was dreadful and a direct contributor to Pompey's downfall on both goals. His central partner Clarke was far better than him, and all three of our centre halves played better than both of theirs!
-
Burgess was highly rated a few seasons ago he just hasn't developed into what many expected him to.
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
😂😂😂😂😂
I've honestly no idea what you're doing when you go to a match.
Worst performance of the season, burgess best player on the pitch
Get a grip man
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
Are you for real. Burgess is a complete donkey of a player who thinks he is better than he is. As I said previously Kongolo was very disciplined tonight without being spectacular and did everything expected of a midfielder to an acceptable standard so to say he was awful is simply wrong!!
No, it isn't wrong.
-
Burgess? Who's team do you support? Clearly not a rovers fan . Clearly no idea of a good player when you see 1 either!! Burgess assisted our goal by the way . Not sure you were at the game?
So it's impossible for an opposition play to be better than one of ours. That's just idiotic
-
I had a beaming smile on my face at the final whistle but I have to say it was more through relief than anything else, plus the fact that we'd got one over their fans who taunted us for most of the match!
But my word, what a different mood it would have been on this board if Lawlor hadn't kept out that late header. I don't think I could have taken dropping points in injury time again!
Fine margins, but we got the win, which is the most important thing.
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
Are you for real. Burgess is a complete donkey of a player who thinks he is better than he is. As I said previously Kongolo was very disciplined tonight without being spectacular and did everything expected of a midfielder to an acceptable standard so to say he was awful is simply wrong!!
No, it isn't wrong.
Im still waiting for the reasons why in your opinion you thought he was awful.
-
Mandeville was fine. Took his goal well and spent 80 mins having the ball hoofed up to him with no support, he tired towards the end so couldn't pull certain things off but he was fine overall.
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
😂😂😂😂😂
I've honestly no idea what you're doing when you go to a match.
Worst performance of the season, burgess best player on the pitch
Get a grip man
Im not sure he actually does go to games Dickos!!
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
Are you for real. Burgess is a complete donkey of a player who thinks he is better than he is. As I said previously Kongolo was very disciplined tonight without being spectacular and did everything expected of a midfielder to an acceptable standard so to say he was awful is simply wrong!!
No, it isn't wrong.
Im still waiting for the reasons why in your opinion you thought he was awful.
If you were there, you'd know.
-
It's all about opinions.
For me, Kongolo's performance last night was the worst by a Rovers player this season. His positional play defensively is awful, he can't tackle and he's 'all legs' and gets himself tangled up. As someone else said on this thread, if he is the future of Dutch football there's no wonder they're struggling.
And yes, I thought the second half was poor. At times it looked like we were a man short, not them.
But we won, so that's all that counts
-
I think the second half was probably the worst I've seen us play this season. But the main thing was the result.
Kongolo?? Absolutely awful for me. Has not a clue for my money. Thought Baudry was our best player, but the best player on the pitch by a country mile was Burgess
Are you for real. Burgess is a complete donkey of a player who thinks he is better than he is. As I said previously Kongolo was very disciplined tonight without being spectacular and did everything expected of a midfielder to an acceptable standard so to say he was awful is simply wrong!!
No, it isn't wrong.
Im still waiting for the reasons why in your opinion you thought he was awful.
If you were there, you'd know.
Thats not an answer. I have given my reasons as to why in my opinion he was not awful you haven't. You're "Dad" has tried to answer for you but just generalised but given no specifics from last nights game. So as I say in your opinion why do you think he could be classed as awful last night?
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
-
I sit behind the dugout also and ferguson was going mental at baudry a number of times but you said he was fantastic so you can't use that as a reason surely.
He may not have been great on the ball but he ran his b*llocks off which is what you have to do when it's not going well for you on the ball.
Showed great character and commitment.
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!
First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!
First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
I think you need to rewatch the game.
I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!
First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
I think you need to rewatch the game.
I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?
Pretty much the answer I thought I would get. Care to give a counter argument to the points I raised? That contribution alone is enough in my opinion to suggest that his performance was not awful.
I am only "calling you out" as you put it because you are the only one responding to my comments. I am hardly going to have a debate with myself am I!!
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!
First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
I think you need to rewatch the game.
I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?
Pretty much the answer I thought I would get. Care to give a counter argument to the points I raised? That contribution alone is enough in my opinion to suggest that his performance was not awful.
I am only "calling you out" as you put it because you are the only one responding to my comments. I am hardly going to have a debate with myself am I!!
The counter argument is that I disagree, and that you need to rewatch the game and see for yourself he was guilty of all the points I raised.
-
I reckon Rovers could win the World Cup and folk would still find something to bicker about.
Never change.
-
Correct
Some are only happy when they've searched for a negative and then moaned to everyone about it
-
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins,
Marquis v Scunthorpe
Williams numerous times
He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.
Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.
He gave the ball away several times.
He couldn't beat his man.
His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position.
Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!
First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
I think you need to rewatch the game.
I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?
Pretty much the answer I thought I would get. Care to give a counter argument to the points I raised? That contribution alone is enough in my opinion to suggest that his performance was not awful.
I am only "calling you out" as you put it because you are the only one responding to my comments. I am hardly going to have a debate with myself am I!!
The counter argument is that I disagree, and that you need to rewatch the game and see for yourself he was guilty of all the points I raised.
Disagreeing is not a counter argument & neither is just saying rewatch the game.
I am sure that if I rewatched the game I would find that Whiteman, Houghton, Rowe & others were guilty at some points in the game of the points you raised but you are not saying that they were awful.
In the lead up to our first goal can you honestly say that the points you raised about Kongolo are valid.
You need to remember that he is a young professional learning his trade & that he may make mistakes at times, he is not the finished article.
Tommy Rowe, Copps, Butler are all guilty of making the mistakes/errors you are singling Kongolo out for and they are supposedly the finished article. Have a proper think before labelling a young professional awful.
-
Correct
Some are only happy when they've searched for a negative and then moaned to everyone about it
Wrong. It was an objective opinion, which is why I put a positive statement in my post aswell.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
-
A gritty performance by the team last night.
Mandeville did well in a role not suited to him, and he got a goal.
Toffolo is beginning to impress me as he improves his match sharpness.
I like the way he drills the ball into good areas from free kicks and corners too.
Baudry looked very composed.
Beestin did well when he came on and seems to have bulked up over the last few months.
Rowe had another good game and once again Butler and Wright bossed things at the back.
Kongolo did enough for me, he wasn't brilliant but he wasn't crap either.
Everyone else contributed and as has been said, after going 2-0 up we did what we had to do, Portsmouth struggled to break us down and if it hadn't been for the howler of a goal i don't think they would have scored at all.
I was concerned at kick off time because i thought we would be overpowered by Portsmouth but it didn't turn out like that.
Tactically we were good last night, well done DF.
As for Burgess, i didn't rate his performance at all last night.
His passing was poor and he nearly gifted us a couple of scoring chances with bad touches back to their keeper.
-
Disagreeing is not a counter argument & neither is just saying rewatch the game.
Is this a 5 minute argument or the full half-hour ;) :lol:
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised
I said we battled well. I don't see your point.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it.
A 15 second snap shot isn't enough evidence to base how he performed in 90 minutes.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it.
A 15 second snap shot isn't enough evidence to base how he performed in 90 minutes.
Neither is your generalisation based on no evidence.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised
I said we battled well. I don't see your point.
We battled well and then followed it up with over the top negativity.
I was speaking to your dad who stated it was one of the worst performances of the season. Which is just ridiculous. But you replied for him
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised
I said we battled well. I don't see your point.
We battled well and then followed it up with over the top negativity.
I was speaking to your dad who stated it was one of the worst performances of the season. Which is just ridiculous. But you replied for him
I would certainly take a few more performances like that if we end up with the same result if it means that the confidence is built up through getting the reward of three points.
-
It's not wrong
When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose
When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.
What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it.
A 15 second snap shot isn't enough evidence to base how he performed in 90 minutes.
Until you show me some evidence that only Kongolo was guilty of the issues your are backing your argument with then I am unable to give any creedance to your opinion that he was awful.
-
There's been some tiresome back and forths on here over the past couple of months but this one is a clear winner for me.
-
Yeah, can we please leave the Kongolo debate now and discuss other aspects of the match?
Just agree to disagree for the sake of the wider audience!
;)
-
At the end of the day fans look at a game and players that they like get less criticism than those that they don't.
You might like a player because of his effort and forgive a technical lapse.
You like another player's skill and allow him leeway on his work rate.
The guy next to you though picks up on the failings that you forgive and is entitled to his point of view.
We are a league one club, perfect players will either never play for us or possibly only briefly on their way up or down. We all look at life differently but support the same club so there's no reason to fall out. Agree to disagree and move on.
-
There's been some tiresome back and forths on here over the past couple of months but this one is a clear winner for me.
Glad you enjoyed it Nick!!
-
Yeah, can we please leave the Kongolo debate now and discuss other aspects of the match?
Just agree to disagree for the sake of the wider audience!
;)
[/quote
Cant understand why when we were 2-0 up that we wanted to rush everything. There was one occassion when a Pompey player headed towards goal & it was going wide Lawlor sprinted to stop the ball going out for a goal kick. There were other incidents where we could have slowed the game down but chose not to. I guess its due to the young average age of the team, but you would expect the likes of Rowe or Butler would tell them to slow down a bit.
That alright for you Panco 🤣🤣
-
Yep, and I agree with that observation Bessie. I don't recall Lawlor sprinting to prevent a goal-kick, but I was baffled why we rushed the taking of a few free-kicks.
I don't like time-wasting but I did feel the need to shout "We are 2-0 up lads!" on one occasion when we hurried to take a free-kick which then came to nought.
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
I don't often agree with you (well just about never) but in this case your spot on.
-
I couldn't go last night but reading this thread makes me wonder...
We've been struggling for results and confidence is pretty low and last night we knew that we had one forward available who frankly has been disappointing this year, and I'm a fan of Liam...We were playing a team on the up after 2 straight wins...It was never going to be a game were we played pretty flowing football,last night was about one thing and one thing only,walking off the pitch with 3 points and a bit of confidence under the players belts,everything else was unimportant....We achieved that so anybody moaning about how we actually played needs to get a grip of reality on how games pan out when a teams struggling.....
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
I don't often agree with you (well just about never) but in this case your spot on.
Ssshh.
Bessie will be demanding evidence on why you think that.
-
If Rodney is the future of Dutch football no wonder they are in crisis. A woeful performance besides his assist.
He is 50% genius and 50% clown
-
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.
Baudry was fantastic.
I don't often agree with you (well just about never) but in this case your spot on.
Ssshh.
Bessie will be demanding evidence on why you think that.
Still waiting for yours Frosty!! 😉😉