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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Woodhead Passer on February 05, 2012, 10:56:54 am
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Sorry if this has been mentioned but he will be on Late Kick Off tomorrow...
Tony Greenall@TonyCSGreenall
Late Kick Off is a must see for #DRFC fans tomorrow,our friendly neighbourhood football agent Willie McKay is on.
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
Dont watch it then.
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
Why? Would you rather be watching Gary Woods in goal at the minute?
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
I`m surprised you`re allowed up that late on a school night! ;)
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
Does mummy let you stop up that late?
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I'll have to try really hard not to chuck something at my TV when he's on then.
Would you throw. Something at JR . He was the one who agreed to use Willie McKays services. Fed up of people having a go at McKay yet all over JR. I called it double standards. The chairman and what was the board made the decision because they believed it was the right way to take the club. We supporters if that's what you are should support the club, you may not agree with the McKay scheme but I believe you support JR so it's the same thing.
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What time and wot channel this on :)
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After hearing JR's interview on Radio Sheffield recently, I would have thought it may have acted as a wake up call for the pathetic little digs like that of donnyroversfc.
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In the past I have been verbal about not being Willie McKay's biggest fan. However in his interview on DROS a few weeks back he is a very positive character with lots of good things to say about Doncaster Rovers. I think this will show the fans the real McKay and that he isn't the money grabbing corrupted figure he has been portrayed to be.
Too many of our own fans didn't accept this was JR's employment and were under the self implicated illusion that this was the work of the 'other money men tying Ryans hand'. Although if memory serves correct the last time Ryan's hands were tied he walked (under Richardson regime) and for that reason I fully believe that McKay is here through JR's own choice, and a decision we must acknowledge and respect.
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Massive fan of Mckay done a great job!
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What time and wot channel this on :)
Tomorrow night on BBC1 at 23:05 i think
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Dont like McKay so must be a schoolkid... Fantastic logic.
I suppose you'll all be watching the programme and hanging on to his every word.
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You know what, I'm going to disagree with a lot of the fine people in this thread.
I hope you do watch it, especially if you're going to throw something at your TV. Let's face it, if you do that there's only one loser - and that's you, because you'll have broken your T.V. for a very stupid reason.
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I'll have a broken TV, like Rovers will have a broken club if they continue with McKay.
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\"They\" eh? Not \"us\"? Ironic coming from somebody whose very username is 'donnyroversfc'!
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\"They\" eh? Not \"us\"? Ironic coming from somebody whose very username is 'donnyroversfc'![/quote
'They' meaning the board!
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\"They\" eh? Not \"us\"? Ironic coming from somebody whose very username is 'donnyroversfc'!
'They' meaning the board!
So 'they' meaning JR then?
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It wasn't just John Ryan though at the time they agreed to do this crap with McKay, so no, i mean them all!
They've fcuked off now though and left it all for John Ryan to deal with.
EDIT to say, obviously Dick Watson left for Health reasons, the rest though are a bunch of fcuking cowards!
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A thing I've noticed is that most anti-Mckay people seem to own a crystal ball that allows them to forsee impending doom for the club. Where can I get one?
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Shut up with the constant whining about mckay. He's done nothing wrong at all. If he has outline what he has done wrong.
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It wasn't just John Ryan though at the time they agreed to do this crap with McKay, so no, i mean them all!
They've fcuked off now though and left it all for John Ryan to deal with.
EDIT to say, obviously Dick Watson left for Health reasons, the rest though are a bunch of fcuking cowards!
Dick Watson had an interview in the Free Press that the decision was made (to replace SOD) between him and John Ryan, he also said Bramall was 'away' at the time and they made the decision on his behalf.
Given that the other two were his family and Brammal gave up all interest long ago I fail to see your logic behind JR being left in the mess. John Ryan is no mug, he is is own man.
As for calling them cowards, they owe DRFC and its fan such as you and me nothing, they made a choice to be directors and they have the right to resign when they want.
If however you feel the club is in jeopardy then please do your bit and join the VSC...
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A thing I've noticed is that most anti-Mckay people seem to own a crystal ball that allows them to forsee impending doom for the club. Where can I get one?
As oppose to these 'pro-McKay' who see us stopping up (quite comfortably) and seem to think all the players brought in are world class (Benaldo exaggeration).
He was brought in to A.) keep us up (midtable was even mentioned) and B.) get the wage bill down.
Hows that working out so far?
He's fcuking scum who shouldn't be allowed in football!
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You calling the ex-board 'f**king cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
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Free speech is all well and good and yes everyone is allowed an opinion but mods can we please get this clown banned.
It is because of idiots like him that we are now left with a chairman who is getting more and more upset by the negative comments on here and directors who have resigned in part because of it.
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Bet he not a rovers fan anyway.....!!!
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
So why are you still moaning you idiot??????
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Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did) and because i can? because i dont agree with what the club are doing? because i don't like McKay?
Or should i just not say anything and go along with something that i think is complete b*llocks? i was brought up to stand up for things i believe in and i beleive McKay is more bad than good!
If the people in charge of this site wanna ban me for that (like Wellred has suggested) then go ahead.
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
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Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did) and because i can? because i dont agree with what the club are doing? because i don't like McKay?
Or should i just not say anything and go along with something that i think is complete b*llocks? i was brought up to stand up for things i believe in and i beleive McKay is more bad than good!
If the people in charge of this site wanna ban me for that (like Wellred has suggested) then go ahead.
You really are a clown.
How do YOU know they didn't leave because of moaning fans. I would like you to answer that question.
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
My first comment was giving you the reason that JR gave for them leaving... The second was me saying they didn't leave because of that, quite simple really.
people are really fcuking gullible if they believe they resigned because of a few fans moaning.
I called them cowards because they we're a part of bringing McKay to the club, yet they left without seeing it to a conclusion. They haven't even came out to give their own reasons on leaving, just left it for John Ryan to scapegoat the fans.
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A thing I've noticed is that most anti-Mckay people seem to own a crystal ball that allows them to forsee impending doom for the club. Where can I get one?
You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
My first comment was giving you the reason that JR gave for them leaving... The second was me saying they didn't leave because of that, quite simple really.
people are really fcuking gullible if they believe they resigned because of a few fans moaning.
I called them cowards because they we're a part of bringing McKay to the club, yet they left without seeing it to a conclusion. They haven't even came out to give their own reasons on leaving, just left it for John Ryan to scapegoat the fans.
You still haven't answered my question. How do you know they didn't leave because of moaning fans?
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It wasn't just John Ryan though at the time they agreed to do this crap with McKay, so no, i mean them all!
They've fcuked off now though and left it all for John Ryan to deal with.
EDIT to say, obviously Dick Watson left for Health reasons, the rest though are a bunch of fcuking cowards!
Dick Watson had an interview in the Free Press that the decision was made (to replace SOD) between him and John Ryan, he also said Bramall was 'away' at the time and they made the decision on his behalf.
Given that the other two were his family and Brammal gave up all interest long ago I fail to see your logic behind JR being left in the mess. John Ryan is no mug, he is is own man.
As for calling them cowards, they owe DRFC and its fan such as you and me nothing, they made a choice to be directors and they have the right to resign when they want.
If however you feel the club is in jeopardy then please do your bit and join the VSC...
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Why to be told what to think or write Lee. Recently this is not the VSC that I initially joined, hence the reason for NOT renewing this season.
Before you ask , I am an Alliance member , STH and have shares. Now convince me why I should renew ?
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
My first comment was giving you the reason that JR gave for them leaving... The second was me saying they didn't leave because of that, quite simple really.
people are really fcuking gullible if they believe they resigned because of a few fans moaning.
I called them cowards because they we're a part of bringing McKay to the club, yet they left without seeing it to a conclusion. They haven't even came out to give their own reasons on leaving, just left it for John Ryan to scapegoat the fans.
You still haven't answered my question. How do you know they didn't leave because of moaning fans?
Because TB left ages before that, Watson left for health reasons, the other 2 (watson's kids) majority of people didn't even know they were on the board never mind moaning at them.
Thousands of fans protest at leeds, Blackburn, Man U and it doesn't make their owners/board leave. Yet we were meant to believe a few of our fans can make our board quit? Behave.
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Free speech is all well and good and yes everyone is allowed an opinion but mods can we please get this clown banned.
It is because of idiots like him that we are now left with a chairman who is getting more and more upset by the negative comments on here and directors who have resigned in part because of it.
Are you serious Wellred, on that basis 90% of posters are ready for banning orders then for previous remarks including me and thee.!
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I don't necessarily agree with what donnyroversfc is saying but the VSC does not exist to keep John Ryan happy with overwhelming support and stamping out comments that don't. Nor does it exist to constantly scrutinise the club. The VSC was established and has always existed for the benefit of the Doncaster Rovers fans, to acquire shares in the club and be a 'stop-gap' between the fans and the Club Board.
It is great when all the fans come together and show their support for our Club and John Ryan, but the VSC is a vehicle for the fans (not just members) to get their opinions and concerns across to the club.
That said I believe all who wanted to express concern about what is happening at the club have expressed their veiws and I hope John Ryan has been made aware of the views by either reading this forum or being informed by our Chair Gartom. Because those concerns should be noted because as much as some of us may not like it, they do exist, and if the VSC did ignore these concerns (which I am sure they don't) they would not be operating under the terms set out in its aims and objectives.
I don't think people should be banned for posting their opinion, but when most stopped discussing this long ago it becomes a tad repetitive and (if recent developments are anything to go by RE madmick) become heated and hostile scenarios.
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
My first comment was giving you the reason that JR gave for them leaving... The second was me saying they didn't leave because of that, quite simple really.
people are really fcuking gullible if they believe they resigned because of a few fans moaning.
I called them cowards because they we're a part of bringing McKay to the club, yet they left without seeing it to a conclusion. They haven't even came out to give their own reasons on leaving, just left it for John Ryan to scapegoat the fans.
You still haven't answered my question. How do you know they didn't leave because of moaning fans?
Because TB left ages before that, Watson left for health reasons, the other 2 (watson's kids) majority of people didn't even know they were on the board never mind moaning at them.
Thousands of fans protest at leeds, Blackburn, Man U and it doesn't make their owners/board leave. Yet we were meant to believe a few of our fans can make our board quit? Behave.
Get your facts right even though you still cannot back your information that they didn't leave because of fans moaning.
TB did not leave before the other 3 directors. They all left at the same time.
None of them are Rovers fans so when Dick Watson resigned because of his health (and YOU don't know all that entails)why wouldn't his two children leave at the same time as their father.
I have been a rovers supporter since before you was born and if I had money and could afford to be a director I would seriously consider whether it was worth it when so called fans like you persist in posting such negative rubbish.
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A thing I've noticed is that most anti-Mckay people seem to own a crystal ball that allows them to forsee impending doom for the club. Where can I get one?
You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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Nobody is denying you the chance to put across your argument, just highlighting its flaws.
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I don't necessarily agree with what donnyroversfc is saying but the VSC does not exist to keep John Ryan happy with overwhelming support and stamping out comments that don't. Nor does it exist to constantly scrutinise the club. The VSC was established and has always existed for the benefit of the Doncaster Rovers fans, to acquire shares in the club and be a 'stop-gap' between the fans and the Club Board.
It is great when all the fans come together and show their support for our Club and John Ryan, but the VSC is a vehicle for the fans (not just members) to get their opinions and concerns across to the club.
That said I believe all who wanted to express concern about what is happening at the club have expressed their veiws and I hope John Ryan has been made aware of the views by either reading this forum or being informed by our Chair Gartom. Because those concerns should be noted because as much as some of us may not like it, they do exist, and if the VSC did ignore these concerns (which I am sure they don't) they would not be operating under the terms set out in its aims and objectives.
I don't think people should be banned for posting their opinion, but when most stopped discussing this long ago it becomes a tad repetitive and (if recent developments are anything to go by RE madmick) become heated and hostile scenarios.
I thought the policy of the forum moderators was that constant bad language would result in a poster being banned from the forum?
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You calling the ex-board 'fcuking cowards' is really out of line and so ungrateful to all that they have given to this club. Two of the other board members being Watson's children surely explains why they left at the very least.
I am not one who is a huge lover of the McKay plan but so far he nor who he has brought in have done anything to deserve the way you're carrying on in this thread. For your own sake I'd just leave it now.
All of them (apart from Watson) left because of moaning fans apparently.
Right...
Because they didn't leave because of moaning fans (no matter how much people say they did)
Can you make your mind up please? You aren't even making sense anymore.
My first comment was giving you the reason that JR gave for them leaving... The second was me saying they didn't leave because of that, quite simple really.
people are really fcuking gullible if they believe they resigned because of a few fans moaning.
I called them cowards because they we're a part of bringing McKay to the club, yet they left without seeing it to a conclusion. They haven't even came out to give their own reasons on leaving, just left it for John Ryan to scapegoat the fans.
You still haven't answered my question. How do you know they didn't leave because of moaning fans?
Because TB left ages before that, Watson left for health reasons, the other 2 (watson's kids) majority of people didn't even know they were on the board never mind moaning at them.
Thousands of fans protest at leeds, Blackburn, Man U and it doesn't make their owners/board leave. Yet we were meant to believe a few of our fans can make our board quit? Behave.
Get your facts right even though you still cannot back your information that they didn't leave because of fans moaning.
TB did not leave before the other 3 directors. They all left at the same time.
None of them are Rovers fans so when Dick Watson resigned because of his health (and YOU don't know all that entails)why wouldn't his two children leave at the same time as their father.
I have been a rovers supporter since before you was born and if I had money and could afford to be a director I would seriously consider whether it was worth it when so called fans like you persist in posting such negative rubbish.
I thought it was pretty well known that TB had effectively withdrawm from the board months ago so when his resignation was announced it was to nobodies surprise.
So Dick's 2 children leaving at the same time as him obviously means they didn't leave because of the moaning right?
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A thing I've noticed is that most anti-Mckay people seem to own a crystal ball that allows them to forsee impending doom for the club. Where can I get one?
You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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Nobody is denying you the chance to put across your argument, just highlighting its flaws.
Which flaws are you exactly referring to as my post was a general one, were you replying to my post in error ?
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You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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I'm not picking sides, thats stupid. So are the people who can somehow predict the doom of the club as a result of McKay's involvement based on sod all. Maybe we'll be worse off with less directors but that's different.
I don't think that anybody minds people's opinion providing its put across well and actually based on something that makes sense. Others are then also allowed to question their logic too.
I do think though, that some people choose to dislike things for the sake of it and go out of their way to criticise or take a dig at the club at every opportunity. That will probably never change whatever happens.
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Pointless f**king post once more .....
If you want to watch it f**king watch it end off!
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It wasn't just John Ryan though at the time they agreed to do this crap with McKay, so no, i mean them all!
They've fcuked off now though and left it all for John Ryan to deal with.
EDIT to say, obviously Dick Watson left for Health reasons, the rest though are a bunch of fcuking cowards!
Dick Watson had an interview in the Free Press that the decision was made (to replace SOD) between him and John Ryan, he also said Bramall was 'away' at the time and they made the decision on his behalf.
Given that the other two were his family and Brammal gave up all interest long ago I fail to see your logic behind JR being left in the mess. John Ryan is no mug, he is is own man.
As for calling them cowards, they owe DRFC and its fan such as you and me nothing, they made a choice to be directors and they have the right to resign when they want.
If however you feel the club is in jeopardy then please do your bit and join the VSC...
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Why to be told what to think or write Lee. Recently this is not the VSC that I initially joined, hence the reason for NOT renewing this season.
Before you ask , I am an Alliance member , STH and have shares. Now convince me why I should renew ?
Before I attempt to convince you, can I point out that what I write is my personal opinion and I am not representing the VSC in any of my posts, they are merely my own opinions of the Co-operative and I do have my own visions of what the VSC should and shouldn't do. I don't believe in censorship and fundamentally I believe the Supporters Trust (or Co-operative) should always be their for the fans and I would have preferred the VSC to defend the fans who John Ryan not only labelled as 'unloyal' but also blamed them for the directors walking out.
The VSC is first and foremost a voice of the fans at Club board level, it's principles are focused on primarily ensuring the future of Doncaster Rovers for future generations. And your last line displays why should join the VSC; it doesn't matter if you are a STH, an Alliance member, if you pour £1000s into the club each year through shares or other avenues (becoming a VIP member), the VSC is a democratic organization that gives everyone just one share in the trust and 1 vote, no matter how many shares you may be responsible for the VSC purchasing. If you want further proof of this look at our current system of ownership. John Ryan is first and foremost a fan, he has poured his fortune into the club but what happens if he decides to walk away? Now imagine the VSC was the majority shareholder of Doncaster Rovers with John Ryan a member who poured his money into the Co-operative (and subsequently DRFC), he would still have only only one share and one vote, as does every other member.
Of course John Ryan has not made any rash or harsh decisions that has jeopardized the Club's future, and I doubt he ever will. However while he is Chairman, we have a scenario of \"his way or the high way\", this may not necessarily be the case with JR, but what is to say this won't be the same with the next Chairman? Richardson seems so long ago but it only takes one man to take it all away.
As a fan the only thing you can do to ensure this doesn't happen again is to become a member of the VSC, it's okay saying you already donate money to the club but that money can easily have a face value of nothing if we ever take the turn for the worst, currently despite buying quite a few shares the VSC doesn't own sufficient shares to ever really take on the responsibility of running a football club, but that doesn't mean we should give up now because this generation can't achieve it, only by the fans working together can the VSC grow and become a major game-player in the future of DRFC.
Currently their is talk of censorship being enforced by the VSC, and I don't think this is fair. The VSC does not tell people what to write, maybe it could be doing more to encourage those concerned to step forward and speak their minds (in a civilised manner) but it is not willy nilly deleting posts because John Ryan might become upset. The VSC spends much time in JR's company and obviously it has to represent the fans, but that doesn't mean Gareth should go battering on John Ryan's door demanding answers (although a more 'relaxed' approach should be encouraged). In terms of censorship I will argue that more of our own posters have enforced the censorship and not the moderators of this forum.
Now I am sure this probably hasn't convinced you to go running to the bank tomorrow with your standing order in hand but I hope this has contributed to your thoughts on the VSC and hopefully re-established your belief in it's cause and future role.
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I would just like donnyroversfc to explain exactly what Willie McKay has done wrong whilst at the club?
Forget what you might have heard or what you think you know to be true.
Lets have some FACTS.
If you can do this then you might have a bit more credibility.
I think you might struggle though.
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Can I just point out that we may / may not have signed some dogshit players over last few months, but pre-McKay we signed the following players under SOD and paid them money during their time here -
- Tomi Ameobi
- Shelton Martis
- Harry Worley
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You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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I'm not picking sides, thats stupid. So are the people who can somehow predict the doom of the club as a result of McKay's involvement based on sod all. Maybe we'll be worse off with less directors but that's different.
I don't think that anybody minds people's opinion providing its put across well and actually based on something that makes sense. Others are then also allowed to question their logic too.
I do think though, that some people choose to dislike things for the sake of it and go out of their way to criticise or take a dig at the club at every opportunity. That will probably never change whatever happens.
I will tell you this Akinfenwa, there are many of our supporters who work their b****x off and spend every spare penny on this club.....I'm one of them. No holidays or luxury homes for us!!
It pisses me off mightily that our supporters have to feel bad collectively time after time again quite frankly these statements shouldn't be coming out of the club/ (JR).
I don't know what happened at that last Board meeting but I do know that personally if I had a huge investment in a club ; I would certainly want at least one of my children to keep an eye on the direction the club was taking.....would you ?
Finally I don't believe that anyone would walk away from their investment/debt because of one or two mindless fans do you ? Is it just a coincidence that the Keepmoat lease/purchase question came up on the back of that Board meeting, perhaps but one day we will really find out what exactly everyone's agenda was bearing in mind that 4 of them are 'supposedly' not interested in the club itself from a fan's point of view.
I expect that call shortly (Glen how do you deal with it :angry: )........
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I would just like donnyroversfc to explain exactly what Willie McKay has done wrong whilst at the club?
Forget what you might have heard or what you think you know to be true.
Lets have some FACTS.
If you can do this then you might have a bit more credibility.
I think you might struggle though.
Go to agree mate. Its the same old slaver every other day or every time Mckay's name is mentioned. When the real facts tell us he has helped to give us half a chance. For that i can't see why people can slag him off.
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I would just like donnyroversfc to explain exactly what Willie McKay has done wrong whilst at the club?
Forget what you might have heard or what you think you know to be true.
Lets have some FACTS.
If you can do this then you might have a bit more credibility.
I think you might struggle though.
Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
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Can I just point out that we may / may not have signed some dogshit players over last few months, but pre-McKay we signed the following players under SOD and paid them money during their time here -
- Tomi Ameobi
- Shelton Martis
- Harry Worley
Oh please. Don't put Martis in the same category as two players who clearly were never good enough to play professional football.
The opinion of Martis held by some of our fans is so far past even wanting to acknowledge the good facets of his game. He isn't the worst defender at the club presently and he is a damn sight better than a great many of the defenders to pass through our doors, especially Harry Worley!
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Can I just point out that we may / may not have signed some dogshit players over last few months, but pre-McKay we signed the following players under SOD and paid them money during their time here -
- Tomi Ameobi
- Shelton Martis
- Harry Worley
What has that got to do with anything?
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You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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I'm not picking sides, thats stupid. So are the people who can somehow predict the doom of the club as a result of McKay's involvement based on sod all. Maybe we'll be worse off with less directors but that's different.
I don't think that anybody minds people's opinion providing its put across well and actually based on something that makes sense. Others are then also allowed to question their logic too.
I do think though, that some people choose to dislike things for the sake of it and go out of their way to criticise or take a dig at the club at every opportunity. That will probably never change whatever happens.
I will tell you this Akinfenwa, there are many of our supporters who work their b****x off and spend every spare penny on this club.....I'm one of them. No holidays or luxury homes for us!!
It pisses me off mightily that our supporters have to feel bad collectively time after time again quite frankly these statements shouldn't be coming out of the club/ (JR).
I don't know what happened at that last Board meeting but I do know that personally if I had a huge investment in a club ; I would certainly want at least one of my children to keep an eye on the direction the club was taking.....would you ?
Finally I don't believe that anyone would walk away from their investment/debt because of one or two mindless fans do you ? Is it just a coincidence that the Keepmoat lease/purchase question came up on the back of that Board meeting, perhaps but one day we will really find out what exactly everyone's agenda was bearing in mind that 4 of them are 'supposedly' not interested in the club itself from a fan's point of view.
I expect that call shortly (Glen how do you deal with it :angry: )........
And therein lies the problem.
There are far too many supporters on here who for want of a better word are calling JR and the other directors liars.
No matter what they say some people refuse to accept that they might just be telling the truth.
Not just in the matter of why 4 directors have resigned but also the dismissal of SOD.
It amazes me why anyone would want to be a director of DRFC.
Oh yes they are all in for the money aren't they. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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It wasn't just John Ryan though at the time they agreed to do this crap with McKay, so no, i mean them all!
They've fcuked off now though and left it all for John Ryan to deal with.
EDIT to say, obviously Dick Watson left for Health reasons, the rest though are a bunch of fcuking cowards!
Dick Watson had an interview in the Free Press that the decision was made (to replace SOD) between him and John Ryan, he also said Bramall was 'away' at the time and they made the decision on his behalf.
Given that the other two were his family and Brammal gave up all interest long ago I fail to see your logic behind JR being left in the mess. John Ryan is no mug, he is is own man.
As for calling them cowards, they owe DRFC and its fan such as you and me nothing, they made a choice to be directors and they have the right to resign when they want.
If however you feel the club is in jeopardy then please do your bit and join the VSC...
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Why to be told what to think or write Lee. Recently this is not the VSC that I initially joined, hence the reason for NOT renewing this season.
Before you ask , I am an Alliance member , STH and have shares. Now convince me why I should renew ?
Hoola, it is everyone's choice whether they join and once joined whether they renew or not, I assume you understand what the VSC is here to do and that hasn't changed, so I would encourage you ( and anyone else) to renew or join. If you don't like what you think is happening then play an active part in challenging it and if necessary changing it.
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I agree debate should be encouraged but theanti mckay brigade are just saying the same thing week after week. Its just boring but more worryingly they step it up just as we seem to be turning the corner. Its as if some folk on here want us to be relegated just to beproved right. If you have nothing original to post please shut up.
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I would just like donnyroversfc to explain exactly what Willie McKay has done wrong whilst at the club?
Forget what you might have heard or what you think you know to be true.
Lets have some FACTS.
If you can do this then you might have a bit more credibility.
I think you might struggle though.
Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'. Incorrect. It is a fact we are in a better position than when he came to help the club.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record. Supposition. Based on your own opinion no factual basis for this statement.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start. It is working. When WM came to the club we sat bottom of the table. We are now 3rd bottom. One place to go and we stay up.
As to why you hate McKay. I don't care that's up to you. It doesn't answer the question as to what he has done wrong as far as this club is concerned.
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
Is that the best answer you can come up with??
4/10 must try much harder.
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
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I agree debate should be encouraged but theanti mckay brigade are just saying the same thing week after week. Its just boring but more worryingly they step it up just as we seem to be turning the corner. Its as if some folk on here want us to be relegated just to beproved right. If you have nothing original to post please shut up.
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Don't be daft NNR, those that don't feel comfortable with what's happening over the last 3/4 months DON'T want to see relegation.
Anything 'original' on here is instantly pounced upon (with/without data). Fora aren't always about statistics but mainly about 'gut feelings' as to the current or future direction of the club and individuals who work/run/associate themselves with it. If it was all about statistics, being successful/popular etc........we would all be armchair fans of one of the Prem. teams.
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
Is that the best answer you can come up with??
4/10 must try much harder.
Sorry had homework to do.
I've moved up a set so got really hard adding and subracting to do.
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
and you claim to be a supporter???
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
Is that the best answer you can come up with??
4/10 must try much harder.
Sorry had homework to do.
I've moved up a set so got really hard adding and subracting to do.
Do they give you homework in junior school now? My how times have changed.
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Can I just point out that we may / may not have signed some dogshit players over last few months, but pre-McKay we signed the following players under SOD and paid them money during their time here -
- Tomi Ameobi
- Shelton Martis
- Harry Worley
Oh please. Don't put Martis in the same category as two players who clearly were never good enough to play professional football.
The opinion of Martis held by some of our fans is so far past even wanting to acknowledge the good facets of his game. He isn't the worst defender at the club presently and he is a damn sight better than a great many of the defenders to pass through our doors, especially Harry Worley!
Shelton is not very good. Let's be honest. He is usually fit for circa 1/3 of each season and in the games he plays there are usually 25% admittedly good performances and 75% where he is usually, although to be fair note always, at fault for the winning goal(s).
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
and you claim to be a supporter???
Yes, have been since the conference days Wellred.
Year 4 was when i started to get homework, its pretty hard but i can do my times tables upto 6. Got my first 'bien' sticker last week so im pretty proud of myself right now.
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Chris_Black_come_back - I don't think that's quite fair, he isn't at fault for 3/4 of the opposition winning goals when he plays. I don't think he's made any more mistakes than some of our other players in the last couple of seasons. But really I just didn't like you putting him in the same bracket as Ameobi and Worley, because those two are lucky if they manage to walk in a straight line without falling over for 10 seconds based on what we saw of them.
whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
You cannot possibly call yourself a DRFC supporter if you truly mean this statement 'donnyroversfc'. Unbelievable that really is...so you're saying you want us to fail, what just so you can be proven right, and come on here and say \"I told you so!\" when we go down?
Also, 'whilever' isn't a word so I hope you weren't moved up a set in English as well as Maths because it would be a terrible mistake.
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
The wage bill has gone down since McKay has arrived. As for keeping us up, lets wait until the end of the season to judge. We were going down anyway so was worth a shot in my opinion (and the board's). I couldn't give a toss if agents are getting more involved, what difference does it make? Its hardly like we actually had a long term plan, losing millions per season and patching the team up each summer with at max, year long solutions who were trialists and whatnot. That couldn't have carried on long term, proven now by the resignation of the directors.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Are we a laughing stock really? Don't think so. We were more of a laughing stock when we were getting tonked every week. And even if we are a laughing stock, who cares what anyone else thinks? Since we've been in this league we've mostly had other bitter fans putting us down regarding crowds, club size and \"likes of Doncaster\" etc. Sod 'em.
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on Martis to be honest.
Much more sympathy on Ameobi though. He is literally the most incapable footballer I have ever seen at Rovers, and that includes all the tripe that was served up in 97/98. God only knows what on earth SOD saw in him. It is one thing signing him but then playing him? Good god that was a real SOD low point. I genuinely think you could have put any able bodied fan on the pitch and they would have matched up to Tomi. I hear he is now playing football in Iceland (the country, not the supermarket).
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Actually the guy Timlin we had on loan from Fulham was pretty bad and both Alford and Jackson were total dog shit. Think Tomi would make it in a five a side team with Weaver's fat neighbour in net, Timlin, Alford and Jackson. The worst Rovers have had to offer.
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Chris_Black_come_back - I don't think that's quite fair, he isn't at fault for 3/4 of the opposition winning goals when he plays. I don't think he's made any more mistakes than some of our other players in the last couple of seasons. But really I just didn't like you putting him in the same bracket as Ameobi and Worley, because those two are lucky if they manage to walk in a straight line without falling over for 10 seconds based on what we saw of them.
whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
You cannot possibly call yourself a DRFC supporter if you truly mean this statement 'donnyroversfc'. Unbelievable that really is...so you're saying you want us to fail, what just so you can be proven right, and come on here and say \"I told you so!\" when we go down?
Also, 'whilever' isn't a word so I hope you weren't moved up a set in English as well as Maths because it would be a terrible mistake.
No its not because i want to be proven right at all... If we fail it means McKay leaves, thats what i want.
I was unfortunately moved down a set in English (rightly so because i mistakenly didn't use commas in one of my essay's). Thankfully my english teacher doesn't read this forum otherwise i fear he'd move me down even more!
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Some stats on this based on league games only. Fairly simple stats I'd say.
SOD in 2011;
Matches 32
Won 3
Drawn 10
Lost 19
Points 19
PPG 0.59375
46 Games 27.3125
DS since he took over
Matches 21
Won 6
Drawn 5
Lost 10
Points 23
PPG 1.095238095
46 Games 50.38095238
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Actually the guy Timlin we had on loan from Fulham was pretty bad and both Alford and Jackson were total dog shit. Think Tomi would make it in a five a side team with Weaver's fat neighbour in net, Timlin, Alford and Jackson. The worst Rovers have had to offer.
Surely Nic Priet deserves a mention? One of the worst players i've ever had the displeasure to see in a rovers shirt!
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
Wage bill - so far minus BS, Wilson and some of the previous loanees. Plus what? Button reportedly VERY cheap, the rest all on low wages. Could be in terms of a \"longer plan\" next season we lose a few more regular players and survive on cheap (and thats undoubtedly so for what we're getting) loanees and short term contracts a lot more. Also, the long term plan was to reduce the wage bill, JR never mentioned the short term plan. If you can't cost it, even approximately, please don't make such claims.
If we're relegated - thats an if mate, and we may well have been relegated anyway, certainly was looking that way. The precident you mention is ifs and but and anyway is stretching your argument, please stick to DRFC.
The players coming to us and ending up at other clubs statement is very negative and anyway irrelevant.
Saunders only here because of WM isn't \"fact\". Even if it is, you've no reason to say why that has a negative effect on the club. And here lets look at negative in terms of results, club position, finances and long terms plans. As far as I see it, we're moving forwards on all those points, and yes, including finances as the WM players are cheaper.
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Chris_Black_come_back - I don't think that's quite fair, he isn't at fault for 3/4 of the opposition winning goals when he plays. I don't think he's made any more mistakes than some of our other players in the last couple of seasons. But really I just didn't like you putting him in the same bracket as Ameobi and Worley, because those two are lucky if they manage to walk in a straight line without falling over for 10 seconds based on what we saw of them.
whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
You cannot possibly call yourself a DRFC supporter if you truly mean this statement 'donnyroversfc'. Unbelievable that really is...so you're saying you want us to fail, what just so you can be proven right, and come on here and say \"I told you so!\" when we go down?
Also, 'whilever' isn't a word so I hope you weren't moved up a set in English as well as Maths because it would be a terrible mistake.
No its not because i want to be proven right at all... If we fail it means McKay leaves, thats what i want.
I was unfortunately moved down a set in English (rightly so because i mistakenly didn't use commas in one of my essay's). Thankfully my english teacher doesn't read this forum otherwise i fear he'd move me down even more!
Surely if Mckay succeeds, Rovers succeed and we're all happy right?
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Chris_Black_come_back - I don't think that's quite fair, he isn't at fault for 3/4 of the opposition winning goals when he plays. I don't think he's made any more mistakes than some of our other players in the last couple of seasons. But really I just didn't like you putting him in the same bracket as Ameobi and Worley, because those two are lucky if they manage to walk in a straight line without falling over for 10 seconds based on what we saw of them.
whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
You cannot possibly call yourself a DRFC supporter if you truly mean this statement 'donnyroversfc'. Unbelievable that really is...so you're saying you want us to fail, what just so you can be proven right, and come on here and say \"I told you so!\" when we go down?
Also, 'whilever' isn't a word so I hope you weren't moved up a set in English as well as Maths because it would be a terrible mistake.
No its not because i want to be proven right at all... If we fail it means McKay leaves, thats what i want.
I was unfortunately moved down a set in English (rightly so because i mistakenly didn't use commas in one of my essay's). Thankfully my english teacher doesn't read this forum otherwise i fear he'd move me down even more!
Surely if Mckay succeeds, Rovers succeed and we're all happy right?
McKay will succeed whether we do or not.
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Chris_Black_come_back - I don't think that's quite fair, he isn't at fault for 3/4 of the opposition winning goals when he plays. I don't think he's made any more mistakes than some of our other players in the last couple of seasons. But really I just didn't like you putting him in the same bracket as Ameobi and Worley, because those two are lucky if they manage to walk in a straight line without falling over for 10 seconds based on what we saw of them.
whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
You cannot possibly call yourself a DRFC supporter if you truly mean this statement 'donnyroversfc'. Unbelievable that really is...so you're saying you want us to fail, what just so you can be proven right, and come on here and say \"I told you so!\" when we go down?
Also, 'whilever' isn't a word so I hope you weren't moved up a set in English as well as Maths because it would be a terrible mistake.
No its not because i want to be proven right at all... If we fail it means McKay leaves, thats what i want.
I was unfortunately moved down a set in English (rightly so because i mistakenly didn't use commas in one of my essay's). Thankfully my english teacher doesn't read this forum otherwise i fear he'd move me down even more!
Surely if Mckay succeeds, Rovers succeed and we're all happy right?
McKay will succeed whether we do or not.
I suggest you look out of your windows and if you see any men in white coats coming lock the doors.
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Ok then, he was brought in to reduce or wage bil and keep us up. So far i'd say he's failing.
if we're relegated (near enough nailed on for me) then it'll be a proven failure and one that was disastrous. It also sets a dangerous precident for agents getting even more involved with football clubs, and clubs long term plans being thrown out of the window.
It's genuinly a pathetic route that the club have gone down, and one that has seen us be the laughing stock of english football.
Great publicity for us though. Us being linked with foreign players and them ending up at other clubs on loan or trial.
ONE LAST TIME MCAKAY IS NOT AN AGENT ANYMORE. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE POSTING CRAP. Thats why i don't get people saying he is only here for the money, get real. If he wanted more money he would be an agent still. He is a friend of Deanos not his agent. FACT.
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Not being funny but this lad does not have a clue what he is talking about, everything he says is presumption. McKay hasn't failed, if we stay up he has succeeded massively. We've also currently got one of the best goalkeepers, defenders and forward we've ever had. Our home form is as good as its been in about 2 years.
The lad has not got a clue, he jumped on the bandwagon at the start and now people are deciding to give the regime a chance he doesn't like it, we're all in the same boat were all fans we all want us to stay up. At the end of the season we can discuss the rights and wrongs but to attempt it now is ridiculous. Let the young lad carry on with his ludicrous views and statements, but just leave him to it..
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Anybody who states he wants us to get relegated and has given his season ticket away should surely be ignored..
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You won't need one soon .......it may well be self-evident. Why does everyone on here questioning the divine wisdom of either JR or the VSC get treated in such a disparaging manner?
There was a time when everyone's point of view could be heard on this forum, whether it fits the general concensus or not. Do you all remember when Richardson was embraced as a 'saviour and brother -in -arms ? Wake up folks and allow everyone to express their opinions in a democratic way without being rubbished as a young lad/trouble maker that knows feck all.
Many of you made made this mistake before .........:angry:
Btw I am not pro or con yet but like many of you I am keeping an open mind until the picture fully unfolds.
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I'm not picking sides, thats stupid. So are the people who can somehow predict the doom of the club as a result of McKay's involvement based on sod all. Maybe we'll be worse off with less directors but that's different.
I don't think that anybody minds people's opinion providing its put across well and actually based on something that makes sense. Others are then also allowed to question their logic too.
I do think though, that some people choose to dislike things for the sake of it and go out of their way to criticise or take a dig at the club at every opportunity. That will probably never change whatever happens.
If only you was right on that Akinfenwa. How about the treatmet dished out to VivaRovers? He certainly put his opinion across well and based it on something that makes sense. Unfortunately there still were people who disliked it and acted in a less than civilised manner.
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Anybody who states he wants us to get relegated and has given his season ticket away should surely be ignored..
You could look at it like that, and I wouldn't blame you for doing so, or you could look at it as someone who feels so passionatley against what is happening at Doncaster Rovers that he has resorted to wanting us relegated for (in his view) the good of the club and has thrown away his own money because he can't stand to see what is currently happening.
Personally I don't agree with what he is saying, I (like you dickos) believe the time will come in the future where we can fully discuss the \"sucess\" or \"failure\" of this season. I expressed my concerns in the past and now I (along with many others) want to move on from the matter, but just because someone else doesn't isn't an invitation for us to single him out as an idiot or make comparisons between him and mental disorders, ignore him by all means that is your right, but please don't encourage others to do so, I imagine they will able to come to that conclusion themselves if it is the right one.
P.S. Good to see you back Dickos, the forum has been quiet over the weekend without you B)
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Not being funny but this lad does not have a clue what he is talking about, everything he says is presumption. McKay hasn't failed, if we stay up he has succeeded massively. We've also currently got one of the best goalkeepers, defenders and forward we've ever had. Our home form is as good as its been in about 2 years.
The lad has not got a clue, he jumped on the bandwagon at the start and now people are deciding to give the regime a chance he doesn't like it, we're all in the same boat were all fans we all want us to stay up. At the end of the season we can discuss the rights and wrongs but to attempt it now is ridiculous. Let the young lad carry on with his ludicrous views and statements, but just leave him to it..
I agree that the best time to assess this is at the end of the season or beyond. Meanwhile people do have opinions and questions and thats only right that they're aired. However, there are too many presumptions and so on which make a mess of the forums. Everything he says isn't presumption, but lets not dwell on that, lets hone into the facts or reasons behind statements and deal with those. That way its not personal... which is what gets feckin tiresome on here.
As for letting him, or anyone else carry on - thats fine if its a one statement thing but it isn't, its endless. As it has been with a few others. Thats why it was great he was asked here to back up his arguments, and why I tried to focus in on that. Otherwise we have diarrhea.
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Much as it pains me to take the trouble even to post under this thread i just need to register my total contempt for the original poster of this thread and furthermore my disgust at his comment on Mckay. WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING THIS SITE ?IF THE AIM IS TO SUPPORT ROVERS .... WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO POST ON HERE??? People like him must just drive JR spare and personally I do not wish to continue to support VSC if this is what the site has sunk to.
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donnyroversfc :suicide:
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
and you claim to be a supporter???
Yes, have been since the conference days Wellred.
Year 4 was when i started to get homework, its pretty hard but i can do my times tables upto 6. Got my first 'bien' sticker last week so im pretty proud of myself right now.
So you've been going since the conference days eh! Well then its been pretty much success every year since you started going (Obviously thats because of your age) - its been good hasn't it.
Now then this current period is the first downturn you will have experienced unlike alot of the contributors on here.
All of us who have been through some seriously poor years following the Rovers, such as myself from when I first went in 1974, managed to remain loyal supporters hoping beyond hope that one day we could be truly proud of our club despite everything that went wrong. Therefore you suggesting that we are relegated just because you happen to disagree with the current plan does dissapoint me greatly.
Remember to be a true supporter means getting behind your team no matter what!!
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
and you claim to be a supporter???
Yes, have been since the conference days Wellred.
Year 4 was when i started to get homework, its pretty hard but i can do my times tables upto 6. Got my first 'bien' sticker last week so im pretty proud of myself right now.
So you've been going since the conference days eh! Well then its been pretty much success every year since you started going (Obviously thats because of your age) - its been good hasn't it.
Now then this current period is the first downturn you will have experienced unlike alot of the contributors on here.
All of us who have been through some seriously poor years following the Rovers, such as myself from when I first went in 1974, managed to remain loyal supporters hoping beyond hope that one day we could be truly proud of our club despite everything that went wrong. Therefore you suggesting that we are relegated just because you happen to disagree with the current plan does dissapoint me greatly.
Remember to be a true supporter means getting behind your team no matter what!!
I would get behind the club, just not with McKay here! I'm not some glory hunter or antything like that, i just dont want to be involved in supporting a football club while they are emplying McKay. If we go down this season, then McKay leaves, so i'll be first in the queue to renew my season ticket and support the team!
I feel strongly on this and nothing anyone says or does is gunna change my views on this plan or McKay himself.
Dagenham.Rover :suicide:
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Yes you're right, i will struggle. We're in a worse position now though than when he came here, and thats with all these so called 'superstars'.
What happens next season if/when we're in league 1? we're left with hardly any players, no board, no money, less fans, and a manager with no proven track record.
The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start.
I'll not go into why i personally hate McKay either though.
We're in a better place in the league, fact.
Djiouf for one is a benefit to the club, massivley IMO.
\"What happens if...\" What happens if we stay in the Championship? Anyway, your point says with hardly any players... WM is reponsible for what exactly there, in that \"what if...\" scenario?
No board. WM's part in that?
Less fans? Well our league position and results are better, our squad is anything but weaker. Are you saying WM has a BO problem or what?
Manager with no proven track record... like DP perhaps? WM may have been involved with promoting him as an option to JR, but he is his agent. DS is yet to prove himself maybe, but so far he's done at least okay. Either way, thats a DS issue and not a WM one, unless you are suggesting that DS deal came with a WM package tied to it. Thats not a fact, though even if true there's nothing to show its a problem. Please be specific.
The route we're going down can't work... why?
I don't care about any personal issues you have with WM, and why even mention it if you're then going to leave it hanging?
Please make an argument that contains reasoning and then we can discuss it.
Saunders is only here because of McKay and thats another thing that really winds me up about all this!
I've left it hanging cos i dont wanna get done (or worse), i really really hate him and im probably one of the only people on here who'll openly say that whilever he is involved in our club then i want us to fail!
and you claim to be a supporter???
Yes, have been since the conference days Wellred.
Year 4 was when i started to get homework, its pretty hard but i can do my times tables upto 6. Got my first 'bien' sticker last week so im pretty proud of myself right now.
So you've been going since the conference days eh! Well then its been pretty much success every year since you started going (Obviously thats because of your age) - its been good hasn't it.
Now then this current period is the first downturn you will have experienced unlike alot of the contributors on here.
All of us who have been through some seriously poor years following the Rovers, such as myself from when I first went in 1974, managed to remain loyal supporters hoping beyond hope that one day we could be truly proud of our club despite everything that went wrong. Therefore you suggesting that we are relegated just because you happen to disagree with the current plan does dissapoint me greatly.
Remember to be a true supporter means getting behind your team no matter what!!
I would get behind the club, just not with McKay here! I'm not some glory hunter or antything like that, i just dont want to be involved in supporting a football club while they are emplying McKay. If we go down this season, then McKay leaves, so i'll be first in the queue to renew my season ticket and support the team!
I feel strongly on this and nothing anyone says or does is gunna change my views on this plan or McKay himself.
Dagenham.Rover :suicide:
I never said you were a glory hunter. I said you should support the team no matter what.
When Richardson was here I despised the man but although it was hard I still supported the team. Never wish that your team gets relegated - just saying!
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I would get behind the club, just not with McKay here! I'm not some glory hunter or antything like that, i just dont want to be involved in supporting a football club while they are emplying McKay. If we go down this season, then McKay leaves, so i'll be first in the queue to renew my season ticket and support the team!
I feel strongly on this and nothing anyone says or does is gunna change my views on this plan or McKay himself.
Dagenham.Rover :suicide:
So you want the club to be relegated, even during these potentially difficult times financially just because you don't like agents? Odd priorities! Also a bit selfish don't you think? Afterall its going to be someone else (JR and co.) who has to somehow plug the financial gap upon relegation. I don't see how anyone can think that relegation would be a good thing for the club. Nor do I get why someone can dislike McKay so much for seemingly no reason.
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It'll be their own fault if the club is relegated and they lose money.
The club have always been proud that we are run properly and do things in 'the correct way'. Now they are throwing all that away and letting a football agent (who are the scum of the game) run things.
The club wants more fans down at the keepmoat but spend most of their time slagging off the supporters in interviews and such. If they spent less time doing that and more time promoting the f*** games then maybe we'd have more fans.
John Ryan said when talking about Sheff Utd that too many loans (short term players) at the club is bad and will only end in failure. So why go with a plan that is based around having short term players?
Also, why the f*** is McKay on The Late Kickoff anyway? Who they having on next week? An exclusive interview with the Kitman at Rotherham?
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It'll be their own fault if the club is relegated and they lose money.
The club have always been proud that we are run properly and do things in 'the correct way'. Now they are throwing all that away and letting a football agent (who are the scum of the game) run things.
The club wants more fans down at the keepmoat but spend most of their time slagging off the supporters in interviews and such. If they spent less time doing that and more time promoting the fcuking games then maybe we'd have more fans.
John Ryan said when talking about Sheff Utd that too many loans (short term players) at the club is bad and will only end in failure. So why go with a plan that is based around having short term players?
Also, why the fcuk is McKay on The Late Kickoff anyway? Who they having on next week? An exclusive interview with the Kitman at Rotherham?
So many contradictions in there,,
No football agent is running the club
We currently don't have anymore loan/short term players than we have had any other season, in fact we have less
Maybe if you watch the programme you will get a better understanding of him rather than guessing
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Also, why the f*** is McKay on The Late Kickoff anyway? Who they having on next week? An exclusive interview with the Kitman at Rotherham?
Actually cleverdick, they had an interview with Bradford's kit man on last weeks show!
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Also, why the fcuk is McKay on The Late Kickoff anyway? Who they having on next week? An exclusive interview with the Kitman at Rotherham?
Actually cleverdick, they had an interview with Bradford's kit man on last weeks show!
Was he on the show as a guest though or just an interview? Do they also have proper guests on like managers/players? or is it the norm for The Late Kick-Off to have people like kitmen/transfer advisors on the show?
Doesn't sound like a very good programme tbh.
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What a load of anal retentive moaning t**ts.No wonder no one wants to join this joke of a foruum.If i was JR i would be half way to the Carabean by now.Here are the facts .Rovers were going down.JR took a gamble and brought Mcay in to save the club.If it doesnt work out at least he has had a go.Sod was and is a top man but was honest enough to recognise he couldnt keep us up.JR as worked his b*llocks off keeping this club afloat and like us all wants to see us LIVING THE DREAM and having one last crack at the promised land before he pops his clogs.As for Mckay i dont care if he is a child molester as long as he can deliver the goods .Having said that , the guy is a business man and someway along the way there will be a pay off .Maybe he just wants some posotive PR since he fell foul of the press.But this is true of all capitilast and is no better or worse than your average exploiting bourgouise friendly gaffer who keeps you in the shit on a daily basis .
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Must admit I haven't read all of this thread because there seems to be quite a lot of crap on it.
All I will say is that I'm impressed with the quality of players we have managed to attract since Mr McKay has come on board ie,Diouf,Beye. However, he didn't do himself any favours by stating he was here to make money for himself. I'm sitting firmly on the fence at the moment, but Mr Mckay seems to have more enemies than friends from what I'm hearing.
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I didn't hear too many people creating a fuss when he brought Gordon Greer to the club.
I also didn't hear anybody kicking up a fuss when we paid agent's thousands of pounds in the last few years, so why this guy? At least this guy lives in Doncaster and has his son's in the academy, or is that the problem?
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I didn't hear too many people creating a fuss when he brought Gordon Greer to the club.
I also didn't hear anybody kicking up a fuss when we paid agent's thousands of pounds in the last few years, so why this guy? At least this guy lives in Doncaster and has his son's in the academy, or is that the problem?
Like Grayx I really can't be arsed to read the drivel on this thread. However SM, the reason I'm not convinced is nothing to do with McKay at all. It's due to our complete about turn in policy and beliefs. Let's not forget JR went public last season bemoaning Cardiff bringing in Craig Bellamy with Man City paying most of the wages. I'm perfectly happy to accept that JR has thought, stuff em if we can't beat them join them and it's one way to deal with our relative lack of means at this level. If that's the case then I'll continue along... but if it was anyone else other than JR doing this I'd be just as unhappy as some of the others on here. It's the trust and respect that we have for him which has enabled some to buy completely into it whilst others stomach it without liking it.
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I think thats exactly it, Rios, which is why (to me, at least) we need to give this a bit of time to see how it pans out.
I dare say Willie's public persona from the press has got a few peoples backs up without them ever meeting him. I've never met him, but I know he's doing his level best for us, and in my eyes that means the bloke doesnt deserve a slagging from folks who have made a snap judgement on whether they like him or not.
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How many of these \"Loans\" did DRFC actually get in, Ilunga,Baye,Goulon and Three \"Keepers\", only 2 of which managed more than 1 game ( and as 2 are not being tried to be moved out by parent clubs, maybe all 3, they maybe didnt come cheap )and latterly Plessis and the younger brother Robert . FFS they were loans, same as any other loan DRFC have had, just cheaper.
Is it McKay's fault that DRFC were able to obtain their services cheaply.
I think McKay and JR and anyone associated with the move should be applauded, not derided.
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Some stats on this based on league games only. Fairly simple stats I'd say.
SOD in 2011;
Matches 32
Won 3
Drawn 10
Lost 19
Points 19
PPG 0.59375
46 Games 27.3125
DS since he took over
Matches 21
Won 6
Drawn 5
Lost 10
Points 23
PPG 1.095238095
46 Games 50.38095238
I haven't seen a thread/article/topic/post on 'Sean O'driscoll vs Dean Saunders' for about a month or so now, and I was quite enjoying it!
Congratulations on bringing this up again! :clapping: :thumbdown:
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Yeah why did you bring that up again bfyp? What was the point exactly? Cause another argument ?
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No arguments to be seen on this forum! :huh:
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Some stats on this based on league games only. Fairly simple stats I'd say.
SOD in 2011;
Matches 32
Won 3
Drawn 10
Lost 19
Points 19
PPG 0.59375
46 Games 27.3125
DS since he took over
Matches 21
Won 6
Drawn 5
Lost 10
Points 23
PPG 1.095238095
46 Games 50.38095238
I haven't seen a thread/article/topic/post on 'Sean O'driscoll vs Dean Saunders' for about a month or so now, and I was quite enjoying it!
Congratulations on bringing this up again! :clapping: :thumbdown:
I think it`s relevant to counteract the view that donnyroversfc is putting across, he says we are doing no better now, when those stats prove we are, considerably!
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Ok but whilst you can argue the stats, you know full well that donnyroversfc means league position. He's pretty much right that we're doing no better. We're still in relegation... If we got relegated under sod bottom of the table would it be worse than getting relegated under DS 3rd bottom? I don't think it's that relevant. if we get relegated, then we get relegated. Regardless of league position we will have done no better.
Hope that makes sense
But still i don't agree with this constant slating of McKay, it's totally undeserved
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It is a fair comparison, when it's stated we haven't improved the stats clearly show that we have. But fact is given our awful start we aren't improving enough to bridge that gap as to get to 50 points we'd need to be catching up on the 7-8 points we are behind schedule.
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For what it's worth, I dont think we'll lose another home game this season (fingers crossed), we still have Millwall to play at Fortress Keepmoat, and Florist and Cov to play away (Cov being the last away game of the season, DS being more than capable of 'firing' the players up to get a result)
If we go down then a lot of people would say it's our own fault with the calibre of players we have at the club (although we haven't got an outstanding goalscoring threat!), also if we get relegated Willie McKay will most probably leave, good for some (Donnyroversfc), bad for others! Personally I dont care, as long as John Ryan is our chairman, I think this club will be fine and be able to 'hold its own' no matter what division we play in, no matter who the manager is and no matter what playing staff we have!
P.S, a mention to Brian Carey, the defence is looking a lot more physical and stronger, and I would say that is mainly down to you. :clapping:
ROVERS TILL WE DIE??????
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Definitely Rovers Til I Die!
I don't care what league we are in, we could be playing sunday football outside a pub and i'd still be supporting Rovers!
Agreed that as long as JR is our chairman we'll be ok. I have plenty of faith in him!
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Ok but whilst you can argue the stats, you know full well that donnyroversfc means league position. He's pretty much right that we're doing no better. We're still in relegation... If we got relegated under sod bottom of the table would it be worse than getting relegated under DS 3rd bottom? I don't think it's that relevant. if we get relegated, then we get relegated. Regardless of league position we will have done no better.
Hope that makes sense
But still i don't agree with this constant slating of McKay, it's totally undeserved
All well and good but arguing the toss about the change of regime when statistically we are doing better and when there is still just under half the season left makes no sense. We aren't totally cut adrift either and with a now pretty solid home record all we need to do is try and transfer that to some away games and we should just about scrape it. That's not mentioning the woeful form of those around us and a Portsmouth points deduction......
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I got the feeling there was a lot of grumbling that Saunders wanted to rip apart the squad and start again. He hasn't done that has he?
Look at it this way, he's had Sharp sold and whilst he brought in players initially (we'd have had no eleven had he not), he's been choosy over who has remained. Goulon didn't do it, Diatta was cover and Spurr came back meaning we didn't retain Ilunga.
Saunders has some negatives (largely the lack of away form) however he has made us better defensively, we're not there but we are improving, we're fitter and we now seem to be able to get some key players fit that we couldn't before (Stock, Woods for example).
The players brought in have strengthened us and if Barnard does come in this week that's another good signing. Fortune did a good job but we couldn't keep him, he's now scoring goals in the Premier league and the goalkeepers are improved. Long way to go but it is better.
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I got the feeling there was a lot of grumbling that Saunders wanted to rip apart the squad and start again. He hasn't done that has he?
Look at it this way, he's had Sharp sold and whilst he brought in players initially (we'd have had no eleven had he not), he's been choosy over who has remained. Goulon didn't do it, Diatta was cover and Spurr came back meaning we didn't retain Ilunga.
Saunders has some negatives (largely the lack of away form) however he has made us better defensively, we're not there but we are improving, we're fitter and we now seem to be able to get some key players fit that we couldn't before (Stock, Woods for example).
The players brought in have strengthened us and if Barnard does come in this week that's another good signing. Fortune did a good job but we couldn't keep him, he's now scoring goals in the Premier league and the goalkeepers are improved. Long way to go but it is better.
Yes the doom mongers were saying how the squad was going to be ripped apart come January and replaced by a whole host of short term deals, it has n`t happened has it, look at the facts
OUT
Naylor released, not good enough
Wilson contract cancelled, been out on loan and did n`t feature anyway
Dumbaya out on loan, was n`t featuring anyway
Sharp sold, was always going to happen
IN
Plessis
Bamogo
Bagayako
Hardly a revolving door is it?
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Add to that a premiership striker on his way if the Mail is correct!
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Also, why the f*** is McKay on The Late Kickoff anyway? Who they having on next week? An exclusive interview with the Kitman at Rotherham?
If McKay is as insignificant to the running of the club as a kitman, I fail to see why you're getting the vapours about him...
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The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start. It is working. When WM came to the club we sat bottom of the table. We are now 3rd bottom. One place to go and we stay up.
Position in bottom 3 is meaningless.
Please publish the gap to safety just before he arrived with the gap to safety as of today (and consider the reduced number of games there now is to close said gap).
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The route we are going down can't work at all! It was destined to fail from the start. It is working. When WM came to the club we sat bottom of the table. We are now 3rd bottom. One place to go and we stay up.
Position in bottom 3 is meaningless.
Please publish the gap to safety just before he arrived with the gap to safety as of today (and consider the reduced number of games there now is to close said gap).
The fact is results have improved, we're as good as anybody at home currently and we've been playing top teams while getting these terrific results at home. If we manage to pick up another 7 or 8 points away from home we will stay up.
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A similar gap now to then shows an improvement. If there was no improvement then that gap would have proportionally increased over time rather than remaining similar.
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A similar gap now to then shows an improvement. If there was no improvement then that gap would have proportionally increased over time rather than remaining similar.
Exactly what I was going to say. For example if we were 5pts behind after 5 games you'd expect in proportion to be 25 points behind after 25, so their argument is flawed. They're clutching at straws saying things haven't improved, the results clearly demonstrate that they have. Whether you love or hate any changes the results reflect positively.
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Just to offer my view, I think people should give Willie a chance. Clearly he has been very successful in the past and maybe he is helping Rovers as he is RTID and wants to help his friends Sir John and Dean et al.
This season the club is in huge transition, yes some parts of the club are far from perfect such as marketing, the shop etc but as we are not on the board there is little we can do about it.
I believe that if we were under the previous management we would have been relegated as despite our good style of football we had become predictable and had too many small players.
Without Willie would we really have brought in some very experienced and quality players such as Diouf and Beye. The influx of ex-top flight players haven't replaced most of our squad they have helped develop them, ie Sam Hird is a prime example.
If any of the bottom three survive it will be us, millwall and Bristol City will struggle, our home form is good, we are fitter (thanks Mal), defending better and not conceding from every set piece (thanks Brian Carey), keeping clean sheets (as long as we keep Button).
Babayoko, Bamogo, Pleissis, Robert all may turn out to be Heroes and if so that makes Willie a hero - so get off his back and give him a chance.
Willie, Dean and John if you do read this - good luck with the rest of the season, I believe the majority of fans want you all to do well. I have faith, and i urge the infighters to reflect on their behaviour, support the boys (Willie doesn't pick the team so if we lose how can it be his fault), stand by the board unless you win the Euromillions and put your money where your mouth is. Ignore the crap refereeing decisions and be positive.
If the players read this let's help them believe that they are good enough to compete in the championship.
:scarf: :rtid:
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Come across great did our Willie!
Have to say thought it was poorly put together by the BBC....
Too many throw away comments.....
How does McKay make money out of it?
By heightening the player profile and selling on...Christ shall we paint by numbers next time?
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I agree, seemed very lightweight by the BBC, but like alan knill said the players are quality and that quality is what we need. Shame simon grayson got sacked this week or it may have been a bit more in depth.
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The more details that emerge about billys contract the less i understand why folk are wound up by the current situation. If a player is any good he will leave us at a time of his choosing for a fee dictated by the player under a one sided contract deal. At least this way we arent crippled by the players wages.
We are lucky to have mckay. Any way a parting thought to help us all sleep tonight.another mckay man joey barton seems one step from self destruction.imagine him and doufy.!