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So I'm guessing Belton's been on another one if his rants.Let me have a wild guess. He kicked off this entire exchange a few days ago with his accusation of me lying about a post I made. But that's been categorically demonstrated to be a false accusation.I assume in all his posts today, he's not once done the adult thing: held his hand up and apologised?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 06, 2022, 10:19:35 pmBST, why is it only people who oppose your views that rant? Don't you rant? Didn't TommyToes Rant in his posts today?BB.I don't mind people giving me considered reasons why they disagree with me.Belton didn't do that. He wrongly accused me of lying. .I assume you can see the difference?
BST, why is it only people who oppose your views that rant? Don't you rant? Didn't TommyToes Rant in his posts today?
Quote from: ravenrover on January 06, 2022, 09:27:39 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 06, 2022, 05:32:57 pmRR. Who is to blame for what?Crikey BB didn't think I'd have to qualify that, you said in your post the BST blames the Govt for every predicament throughout this pandemic so I am asking you if not The Govt then who is to blame? Clear?Yes, BST does blame the government for every predicament throughout this pandemic. He's wrong, of course. Had he offered his pandemic expertise to the government instead of hiding away his rants on a third division off-topic football forum, he might have gotten his way and pleased the other half of the population who wanted restrictions, at the expense of the half that didn't. so he would still have been to blame according to half the country.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 06, 2022, 05:32:57 pmRR. Who is to blame for what?Crikey BB didn't think I'd have to qualify that, you said in your post the BST blames the Govt for every predicament throughout this pandemic so I am asking you if not The Govt then who is to blame? Clear?
RR. Who is to blame for what?
By the way, when I said half of the country I meant as in two halves of a different opinion, meaning two sides, not necessarily two halves equally split.
Quite clear now that there's an increase in daily deaths, corresponding to the increase in cases that started about 3 weeks ago, and the increase in cases in hospitals that started 10 days or so after that. The 7 day average of deaths by date of death was down to 108 by the week before Xmas and it had been falling steadily since late September. By New Year's Eve, it was up to 130. Fortunately the speed that the deaths are increasing is not as high as the rate that new cases and new cases in hospitals has gone up, but it's not zero either. Looks like the trend in daily deaths is going to rise up towards 200 again over this month.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 07, 2022, 06:17:00 pmQuite clear now that there's an increase in daily deaths, corresponding to the increase in cases that started about 3 weeks ago, and the increase in cases in hospitals that started 10 days or so after that. The 7 day average of deaths by date of death was down to 108 by the week before Xmas and it had been falling steadily since late September. By New Year's Eve, it was up to 130. Fortunately the speed that the deaths are increasing is not as high as the rate that new cases and new cases in hospitals has gone up, but it's not zero either. Looks like the trend in daily deaths is going to rise up towards 200 again over this month.I fear we are now spreading in an acute setting
Quote from: Ldr on January 07, 2022, 08:07:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 07, 2022, 06:17:00 pmQuite clear now that there's an increase in daily deaths, corresponding to the increase in cases that started about 3 weeks ago, and the increase in cases in hospitals that started 10 days or so after that. The 7 day average of deaths by date of death was down to 108 by the week before Xmas and it had been falling steadily since late September. By New Year's Eve, it was up to 130. Fortunately the speed that the deaths are increasing is not as high as the rate that new cases and new cases in hospitals has gone up, but it's not zero either. Looks like the trend in daily deaths is going to rise up towards 200 again over this month.I fear we are now spreading in an acute setting Genuine question Ldr. What does that mean?
RDI'd be very cautious in concluding that cases have peaked. The headline figures are based on cases reported yesterday, but cover deaths that actually occurred over several days. When you look at the figures by the date the deaths actually occurred, the figures for 1-4 Jan are all higher than those from 7 days earlier, and will probably continue going highe for a few days yet as more deaths get reported. Hopefully we're not far from the peak, but I doubt we are there yet.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 07, 2022, 02:42:46 pmBy the way, when I said half of the country I meant as in two halves of a different opinion, meaning two sides, not necessarily two halves equally split.BB, you are correct in saying the split isn’t in two equal halves but some significant employers are demanding that the government doesn’t lock us down again.The travel and hospitality sectors, which include sport of course, are desperate to keep going.That’s the trouble with being in government, those that voted for someone else will always find a reason to complain .
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 07, 2022, 08:17:30 pmQuote from: Ldr on January 07, 2022, 08:07:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 07, 2022, 06:17:00 pmQuite clear now that there's an increase in daily deaths, corresponding to the increase in cases that started about 3 weeks ago, and the increase in cases in hospitals that started 10 days or so after that. The 7 day average of deaths by date of death was down to 108 by the week before Xmas and it had been falling steadily since late September. By New Year's Eve, it was up to 130. Fortunately the speed that the deaths are increasing is not as high as the rate that new cases and new cases in hospitals has gone up, but it's not zero either. Looks like the trend in daily deaths is going to rise up towards 200 again over this month.I fear we are now spreading in an acute setting Genuine question Ldr. What does that mean?Spreading within hospitals
Quote from: drfchound on January 07, 2022, 07:31:39 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 07, 2022, 02:42:46 pmBy the way, when I said half of the country I meant as in two halves of a different opinion, meaning two sides, not necessarily two halves equally split.BB, you are correct in saying the split isn’t in two equal halves but some significant employers are demanding that the government doesn’t lock us down again.The travel and hospitality sectors, which include sport of course, are desperate to keep going.That’s the trouble with being in government, those that voted for someone else will always find a reason to complain .Of course those sectors are desperate to keep going - but with 100000's of infection per day they aren't. Hundreds of sports fixtures have been cancelled, pubs, restaraunts, theatres etc are having to close for lack of staff, buses, trains and flights are being cancelled - they aren't even collecing the bins in some areas. Thats without the effect on the NHS. Business owners on the radio are reckoning its costing them £millions' - all without government support.It's been allowed to grow far, far too high.
Quote from: wilts rover on January 07, 2022, 10:09:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 07, 2022, 07:31:39 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 07, 2022, 02:42:46 pmBy the way, when I said half of the country I meant as in two halves of a different opinion, meaning two sides, not necessarily two halves equally split.BB, you are correct in saying the split isn’t in two equal halves but some significant employers are demanding that the government doesn’t lock us down again.The travel and hospitality sectors, which include sport of course, are desperate to keep going.That’s the trouble with being in government, those that voted for someone else will always find a reason to complain .Of course those sectors are desperate to keep going - but with 100000's of infection per day they aren't. Hundreds of sports fixtures have been cancelled, pubs, restaraunts, theatres etc are having to close for lack of staff, buses, trains and flights are being cancelled - they aren't even collecing the bins in some areas. Thats without the effect on the NHS. Business owners on the radio are reckoning its costing them £millions' - all without government support.It's been allowed to grow far, far too high.I’m not disagreeing with you wilts.I’m saying that, despite the things you have pointed out, the businesses I mentioned are still desperate not to be shut down.
Quote from: drfchound on January 07, 2022, 10:16:08 pmQuote from: wilts rover on January 07, 2022, 10:09:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 07, 2022, 07:31:39 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 07, 2022, 02:42:46 pmBy the way, when I said half of the country I meant as in two halves of a different opinion, meaning two sides, not necessarily two halves equally split.BB, you are correct in saying the split isn’t in two equal halves but some significant employers are demanding that the government doesn’t lock us down again.The travel and hospitality sectors, which include sport of course, are desperate to keep going.That’s the trouble with being in government, those that voted for someone else will always find a reason to complain .Of course those sectors are desperate to keep going - but with 100000's of infection per day they aren't. Hundreds of sports fixtures have been cancelled, pubs, restaraunts, theatres etc are having to close for lack of staff, buses, trains and flights are being cancelled - they aren't even collecing the bins in some areas. Thats without the effect on the NHS. Business owners on the radio are reckoning its costing them £millions' - all without government support.It's been allowed to grow far, far too high.I’m not disagreeing with you wilts.I’m saying that, despite the things you have pointed out, the businesses I mentioned are still desperate not to be shut down.Yes agreed hound. But they defacto have been. I can't see any point in doing anything now, there is far too much in the community, is it 1 in 15 they say today have it, for any measures to do any good. Lets hope they were right and it will pass through/peak quickly.
So another of my staff has tested +be and will be off all next week. And because he was in contact with him, my antivaxxer staff member now has to isolate for two weeks.I reckon that's now 13 man weeks we've lost to COVID since the week before Xmas. All on full pay. Not a penny of Govt support.Welcome to "Living with it."