Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[BobG]

Compare our chilling, un Christian and vengeful policy towards refugees to that which applies in Colombia. 20% of the population of Venezuela have WALKED out of the country in the last 10 years. A helluva lot of those have walked into Colombia. It's a huge, huge number. On every road you walk, drive or look down you will see a family walking. Destitute. Begging. Starving. And the reaction of the locals, and the politicians? The locals put their hands in their pockets. The poliiticians last year granted such refugees, en masse, a 5 year visa which allows them to work and to be there legally. It gave them dignity and it stopped them being forced into the shadows. Yes. A lot of them are poor, very poor. But they have a chance now.

Us? I am in the midst of trying to obtain a UK visitor visa for a none European.For a bloody holiday. No more. Not only is the process itself shameful in its mendacity and its well nigh unbelievable rules and processes, but the tick box decision makers, in Sheffield, are inexperienced, almost untrained (all the good ones are now devoted to Ukraine only), and, impossible to appeal. It is ILLEGAL to appeal! What sort of f**king country is this??? Billy is right. Throiw out some red meat.

Oh. And the government appointed contractors who do the leg work taking photos and finger prints of applicants, seem to be unpoliced, unchecked and uncontrolled. Extortion rackets are going on under the name of the British government. Even my local Tory MP, a devoted leadership sycophant, was moved to call it 'concerning'. I await Pritti Patel's response...

BobG

[Sprotyrover]

population of Nigeria will reach £450 million by 2050 Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[SydneyRover]

Wash rinse repeat .......

''Clear majority of people crossing Channel are refugees, says UNHCR
UN agency says most arriving in UK by small boat should not be called migrants, in challenge to Priti Patel''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/02/clear-majority-of-people-crossing-channel-are-refugees-says-unhcr

[Sprotyrover]

Yes they are.. economic refugees!

[Not Now Kato]

Yes they are.. economic refugees!

You are Jonathan Harmsworth and I claim my £5

[normal rules]

Wash rinse repeat .......

''Clear majority of people crossing Channel are refugees, says UNHCR
UN agency says most arriving in UK by small boat should not be called migrants, in challenge to Priti Patel''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/02/clear-majority-of-people-crossing-channel-are-refugees-says-unhcr

Is this the same UNHCR where staff in Uganda and Kenya were taking back handlers from “refugees” to be resettled in western countries?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just to set out the utter moral vacuum at the heart of this Government, the plan is to send 15 Syrians to Rwanda. That's 15 people who have fled another one of Putin's bestial wars.

They won't send them of course, beuse as ever, the Home Office will have played fast and loose with the legal process. There will be appeals. Patel will put her Himmler face on and play to the reactionary pensioners in the Culture War, with lines about lefty activist lawyers from the Elite stopping you having your pound of flesh.

And does anyone think for a minute it's a coincidence that this has been announced as the 54 letter target is hoving into view?

Aaaaaaaaannnnnddddd....here we go.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Samfr/status/1534647311342743559

[BillyStubbsTears]

All so depressingly predictable.

No solutions from this Govt. Just yet another play in the Culture War. Because that is the only strategy they have.

[glosterred]

When the EU do it, when the UN do it not a word when this government do it everyone is up in arms

[glosterred]

And

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've no idea about the detail of the EU scheme, but what exactly is your point. If we implement a policy that is simply barbaric, is it all OK as long as the EU is doing something bad?

[drfchound]

I think his point is that no one has said a word about the EU policy.
Some might say, why has that got anything to do with us because we are in another country.

[danumdon]

I think his point is that no one has said a word about the EU policy.
Some might say, why has that got anything to do with us because we are in another country.

Your right it doesn't have anything to do with us as a different country. But his point does stand that there is always a certain hypocrisy from some of the biggest whiners about all things and everything when it's done here but not a murmur when the same things are occurring elsewhere in the world. Some of the climate change rent a mob are some of the worst, they complain about our emissions but not a word is spoken about what happens in the far east where they buy there bundles of crap from, jump on planes to holiday destinations and have their heating on full blast all autumn and winter, like anything they do doesn't matter, it has to be someone else, shocking.

Back to genuine refugees, its pretty obvious that there are a sizable number of these on the continent who wish to come here for various reason, (language, family ties, friends, the British way of life?)whats desperately required is a solution that allows these people to stake their claims in their current place of abode, to be processed by competent border control and when all criteria is satisfied to allow them to come here by convectional means, the people smugglers must be taken out of the equation, if this happens then we might just find that the overall coast to the country is reduced by billions. This is taken off the front pages and people can get back to moaning about something else.

[drfchound]

I think his point is that no one has said a word about the EU policy.
Some might say, why has that got anything to do with us because we are in another country.

Your right it doesn't have anything to do with us as a different country. But his point does stand that there is always a certain hypocrisy from some of the biggest whiners about all things and everything when it's done here but not a murmur when the same things are occurring elsewhere in the world. Some of the climate change rent a mob are some of the worst, they complain about our emissions but not a word is spoken about what happens in the far east where they buy there bundles of crap from, jump on planes to holiday destinations and have their heating on full blast all autumn and winter, like anything they do doesn't matter, it has to be someone else, shocking.

Back to genuine refugees, its pretty obvious that there are a sizable number of these on the continent who wish to come here for various reason, (language, family ties, friends, the British way of life?)whats desperately required is a solution that allows these people to stake their claims in their current place of abode, to be processed by competent border control and when all criteria is satisfied to allow them to come here by convectional means, the people smugglers must be taken out of the equation, if this happens then we might just find that the overall coast to the country is reduced by billions. This is taken off the front pages and people can get back to moaning about something else.

You are right with much of that Danumdon.
I also agree about the hypocrisy factor.
It should be true as well that some people from overseas have no right to complain about how things that happen in England have anything to do with them.

[selby]

  I only want the answer to the question what some people on here think the word illegal means, would they be happy for someone to smash their head in with a brick if someone said t was ok and was not illegal?
  Legal immigrants even if they were sky blue pink with yellow dots would be welcome for me, but the illegal and economic migrants are not whatever colour or creed.

[SydneyRover]

Look up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it.

Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye?

[wilts rover]

Only just realised that the policy is a transfer agreement - that is the UK government has agreed to take-in refugees FROM Rwanda in return for us shipping some out there (Point 16).

Funny how this hasn't been more widely publicisied...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/memorandum-of-understanding-mou-between-the-uk-and-rwanda/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-government-of-the-republic-of-r#part-1--transfer-arrangments

[Ldr]

Look up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it.

Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye?

Genuine Refugees Welcome
Illegal migrants Not Welcome
Telling the difference? Thats the million dollar question

[wilts rover]

Look up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it.

Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye?

Genuine Refugees Welcome
Illegal migrants Not Welcome
Telling the difference? Thats the million dollar question

75% of arrivals to year end March 2022 were granted asylum - so clearly there is a system

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

[Ldr]

Look up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it.

Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye?

Genuine Refugees Welcome
Illegal migrants Not Welcome
Telling the difference? Thats the million dollar question

75% of arrivals to year end March 2022 were granted asylum - so clearly there is a system

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

75% of those that presented and requested asylum, what about the ones who land on the beaches and just disappear?

[SydneyRover]

Are they the similar to the ones that arrive by plane and just disappear?

[Ldr]

Are they the similar to the ones that arrive by plane and just disappear?

Syd, I dont think any decent human being has an issue with genuine refugees, likewise I don't think anyone who thinks about it can honestly say all beach arrivals are genuine refugees

[Sprotyrover]

I've no idea about the detail of the EU scheme, but what exactly is your point. If we implement a policy that is simply barbaric, is it all OK as long as the EU is doing something bad?

Why is it Barbaric?

[SydneyRover]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

[Sprotyrover]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Don't come on here criticising the UK Government, have a go at you own countries policies first!

[SydneyRover]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Don't come on here criticising the UK Government, have a go at you own countries policies first!

We just voted them out sprot

[drfchound]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.

[wilts rover]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.

Someone has made a claim that people land on a beach and then disappear - so they must know more about it?

Lets hope they are not potential terrorists if it is that easy to land in this country - and just disappear. I would be surprised if this were so - but happy to await the evidence.

[drfchound]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.

Someone has made a claim that people land on a beach and then disappear - so they must know more about it?

Lets hope they are not potential terrorists if it is that easy to land in this country - and just disappear. I would be surprised if this were so - but happy to await the evidence.

Wilts, I would be even more surprised if anyone has evidence of numbers, given that no one has any records of them.

[wilts rover]

That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?

Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.

Someone has made a claim that people land on a beach and then disappear - so they must know more about it?

Lets hope they are not potential terrorists if it is that easy to land in this country - and just disappear. I would be surprised if this were so - but happy to await the evidence.

Wilts, I would be even more surprised if anyone has evidence of numbers, given that no one has any records of them.

Somebody said they were landing - so they must have evidence of them - or how would they know they are landing?