Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[Not Now Kato]

Would you like to show me a link or is it confidential? it's quite normal when posting figures supporting and argument that the source of those figures are posted along with them.

How do these Albanian criminals compare in numbers to other ethnic groupings including English, Scottish and Welsh?

How do you know that the Albanians are 'boat people' and not here by immigration channels?

I suspect he read it in the Daily Mail.

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR
1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.

2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.

3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.

5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?

On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country.

On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?

On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk  in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control.

On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.

Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.

Bump.

NR.
Did you get anywhere with the source of these numbers? I'm interested in seeing them.

If you look under world population review you may find them. Sorry don’t have the link.

Thanks.

[normal rules]

Would you like to show me a link or is it confidential? it's quite normal when posting figures supporting and argument that the source of those figures are posted along with them.

How do these Albanian criminals compare in numbers to other ethnic groupings including English, Scottish and Welsh?

How do you know that the Albanians are 'boat people' and not here by immigration channels?

I suspect he read it in the Daily Mail.

I don’t read the daily Mail. Never have, never will.
The open source stuff is freely available on the internet web regarding Uk based Albanian criminality and the effect mass migration of Albanians to the uk is having on this.
The closed source stuff Im privy to is not for public consumption.

As a starting point might I suggest you search under “ albanian organised crime in the uk nca”
You will see various threads all relating to recent NCA ops targeting the people traffickers. And this is the tip of the iceberg. There will be dozens and dozens of similar operations ongoin as we speak.
Of course, once they get to the uk, tracking and disrupting them becomes a whole different ballgame. One which is devolved to the forces of the shires who have neither the money or resources to deal with it properly.
To get a feeling for uk based Albanian crime , take a look at the Organised crime index aka OCINDEX. Scroll down to the criminal actors part which talks about Drug supply into the UK and who controls it. There is one specific country named. Just one.
This is the tip of the iceberg also.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjR0JCLpJz7AhXDlFwKHYFTBCgQFnoECCAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Focindex.net%2Fcountry%2Funited_kingdom&usg=AOvVaw3AxmD1-sAtaM9NK9Wx7rKG.

[SydneyRover]

I suggest you read this NR it may help you see what is happening in the media. If you type in 50 migrants escape from hotel and then look at the responses you will likely find that the tele, daily mail, express plus a few more obscure sources at the top of the list. I think you would find lots of countries are dealing with the masses of displaced people and migrants right across Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/07/tories-myth-migrant-crisis-brexit-immigration-centre

[tyke1962]

I'm just trying to get a fix on what your priorities are, what would make a difference in your life, the UK receiving a few less boat people or being able to get an appointment at the doctors when you need one and a bed in a hospital that's not decaying (hospitals need 10bn spent to bring them up to scratch on buildings and equipment)

Yes immigration does make a big difference to the economy, not half or a tenth to what a well run economy would. Parliament having to chase a corrupt government around. The biggest difference immigration makes is it improves and economy.

That's not what your great leader says .


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-many-people-28420205?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[Sprotyrover]

What he hasn’t said is that we are pinching highly skilled medical staff from Third world countries where they are really needed that’s morally wrong, I don’t see anything wrong in recruiting warehouse staff etc from Eastern European nations properly or technology minded Individuals  for that matter
But the issue with Albanians is they are being trafficked into the UK and are then being made to conduct immoral activities such as Drug dealing or Prostitution to pay back their Debts, we got 6,000 Romanians in Donny and 11,000 Poles 99% of them working and paying tax, by the way have a look at Copley and Netherhall Road they are buzzing.

[SydneyRover]

Good point sprot, modern western countries should strive to train their own whilst also giving opportunities for staff to be cross trained across the world.

[wilts rover]

A new poll out today shows that instead of 'taking back control', a large majority of the public think Brexit has made our borders less secure.

According to the latest Opinium poll, 73% think the UK has not been in control of its borders since Brexit. Only 12% think Britain has been in control. Meanwhile, only 9% of the public believe Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders better, while 45% think it has made it worse.

Those who backed Brexit are also taking a dim view. Only 7% of leave voters think the UK is in control of its borders since Brexit, while 85% think it is not.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/most-britons-think-country-has-lost-control-of-its-border-since-brexit-poll

Vote Tory.

Wilts stop quoting’Woke’ Cr’p since we left Europe we can have a look at all entrants, no more convicted Child molesters and Killers just sauntering on the Ferry  those 300,000 immigrants Germany let in a large proportion of who ran riot on New Year’s Eve Sexually assaulting Hundreds of German Women , now qualify for a German Passport fortunately we can now check em at the order!

Don't blame me for what the public think sproty. Including one prominent poster who is telling us we are not doing any of those things but instead letting in criminals by the boatload. 6 years after the Brexit vote and 3 years since Johnson's deal.

When is it exactly we are going to take control of our borders then?

[wilts rover]

It would appear people have either missed or ignored this, so posted again for information:

According to the latest figures I can find, August 2022, 53% of Albanian refugees were granted Asylum status. That is, it was accepted by this Tory government that they were fleeing persecution.

And of the 53% of Albanians who were granted asylum - 86% of them were women being trafficked.

So rather than the false narrative some people have been keen to push, rather than these people being Albanian criminals they are mostly victims of Albanian criminals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62676829
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/braverman-asylum-seekers-albania-trafficking-b2215187.html

[Ldr]

I would like to see proof that all boat arrivers claim asylum before I get convinced by figures on refugee status Wilts

[SydneyRover]

I would like to see proof that all boat arrivers claim asylum before I get convinced by figures on refugee status Wilts

There's either gov't figures or nothing Ldr, there is no other data.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022

[Ldr]

That’s the problem Syd, a case of don’t know what we don’t know

[wilts rover]

That’s the problem Syd, a case of don’t know what we don’t know

I am quite prepared to believe this government is useless, has no idea how to control small boat crossings and is using inflamatory language to turn people against refugees fleeing persecution and war (much of which they had supported) in order to hide their failures.

What I wont believe is that they are inflating the number of people making the crossing and claiming refugee. When in order to keep support of those people who dont believe the refugees are refugees - they could just make it up and put a lower figure in. As you say - no one can check.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1595362008072863746

[ravenrover]

And then she couldn't/wouldn't answer the question of when she, as Home Sec, became aware of problems at Manston in that the Govt was breaking the law

[mugnapper]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-sees-highest-net-migration-since-second-world-war-12754404

[Sprotyrover]

Germany returns all Albanian Asylum seeker immediately as they have deemed it a ‘Safe’ Country

[SydneyRover]

Here's some more about Germany sprot

''Five Years Later, One Million Refugees Are Thriving in Germany''

https://www.cgdev.org/blog/five-years-later-one-million-refugees-are-thriving-germany

''With the number of people fleeing to Germany this year set to exceed the 1.2 million who arrived in 2015-2016, the government is under growing pressure to avert a "refugee crisis".

As the number of asylum seekers and refugees arriving in Germany rises again, so do the comparisons to 2015, when more than 1.2 million people crossed the borders. Today, with even more expected to arrive than during the so-called "refugee crisis", there is again talk of becoming "overwhelmed" and "pressure" from an influx of migrants''

http://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/43934/over-a-million-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-germany-how-will-it-manage-this-time

I guess it's all about context

[wilts rover]

The irony of people who said we had to leave the EU to control immigration now quoting an EU country as a model to control immigration...

The US and Canada accept most Albanian asylum seekers btw.

[tyke1962]

Keith will sort it .


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63707941

[Not Now Kato]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2022?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IND_WESTMINSTER%2024-11-2022&utm_term=IND_VIEW_WESTMINSTER_cdp#immigration-to-the-uk%20%20https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1595719259048525825

[tyke1962]

Keith and his new buddy Farage will sort it .

[Branton Red]

We should be immensely proud as a nation of these latest net migration figures.

Over the last c. 20 years net migration into the UK has run at c. 250k per year.

In the year recently reported we've given refugee status to c. 175k escaping war torn regions of Ukraine and c. 75k people escaping persecution in Hong Kong.

We have a duty as a democratic nation to defend democratic values and as a wealthy nation to provide a safe haven. Like I say these net migration figures should be a source of pride.

Take the c. 250k from Ukraine and HK from the headline 500k figure and you get back to the 250k long term average.

If 250k is too much/too little immigration as a long term average is another question.

I'd suggest in the period in question given unemployment rates reached historic low levels (lowest in over 50 years) and wage growth was comparatively very high versus neighbouring countries that the level of work-related inward migration made sound economic sense.

[normal rules]

I wonder if this critter was intent on contributing to the uk economy?
More tragic stories like this to come no doubt.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj938LYkOH8AhVaiv0HHWVABowQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2023%2F01%2F23%2Fafghan-asylum-seeker-murdered-aspiring-royal-marine%2F&usg=AOvVaw3mhgDPwZQBVhYUJ-BeY500

[ncRover]

This is the future for modern western countries if the birth rate problem is not addressed and somewhat offset with immigration.

“Japan's prime minister says his country is on the brink of not being able to function as a society because of its falling birth rate.”

“Japan has continued implementing strict immigration laws despite some relaxations, but some experts are now saying that the rules should be loosened further to help tackle its ageing society.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64373950.amp

[SydneyRover]

This is the future for modern western countries if the birth rate problem is not addressed and somewhat offset with immigration.

“Japan's prime minister says his country is on the brink of not being able to function as a society because of its falling birth rate.”

“Japan has continued implementing strict immigration laws despite some relaxations, but some experts are now saying that the rules should be loosened further to help tackle its ageing society.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64373950.amp

A low birth rate makes more room for those that want to come to the UK

[SydneyRover]

If people were educated to their potential and better jobs provided maybe they would have more children.

[ncRover]

If people were educated to their potential and better jobs provided maybe they would have more children.

https://www.drake.edu/media/departmentsoffices/dussj/2020documents/Cornett%20DUSSJ%202020.pdf

“There is a strong link between increased levels of education for females and lower
fertility rates. That is, the higher the level of a woman’s educational attainment, the fewer number of children she is likely to bear, and this effect is shown in countries and cultures around the world. The data support that this relationship is causal (Alam et al. 2003)”

Not a factor Sydney

[SydneyRover]

So you think the uk is a developing country now nc, I know we have gone way backwards under tory rule but how far back is the question.

[SydneyRover]

''The research found that the two-child limit has led to a decline in the number of third and subsequent births of approximately 5,600 a year, just under 1 percent of total annual births in England and Wales''

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2022/d-Apr-22/Two-child-benefit-limit#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20the,births%20in%20England%20and%20Wales.

suggestion read this after you read the link you posted nc

This may interest you also

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/anoteonchildbearingbysocioeconomicstatusandcountryofbirthofmother/2016