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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 08, 2023, 11:14:29 amAnd meanwhile, once again my brother in law who was born, raised and schooled to the age of 8 in the UK, to a father with indefinite leave to remain, is hitting a brick wall with this disgusting Home Office when he tries to exercise his right to receive a British passport. Once again HE is being asked to provide written proof that his father had leave to remain, despite the fact that his father died in chaotic circumstances when he was only 8 years old. Despite his father having lived, married, worked, raised two families, run three companies and paid taxes in the UK, the Home Office has no record of him.Most people in this country have no idea whatsoever of this callous incompetence, and how it f**ks up people's lives. Worse, I think there's a decent proportion of the population who really don't care what is done in their name. I think one of the problems is that for all the genuine cases like your brother-in-law’s, there are, no doubt, many fraudulent claims for a British passport. As harsh as it sounds, talking someone’s word for it just opens the floodgates for false claims to be accepted.
And meanwhile, once again my brother in law who was born, raised and schooled to the age of 8 in the UK, to a father with indefinite leave to remain, is hitting a brick wall with this disgusting Home Office when he tries to exercise his right to receive a British passport. Once again HE is being asked to provide written proof that his father had leave to remain, despite the fact that his father died in chaotic circumstances when he was only 8 years old. Despite his father having lived, married, worked, raised two families, run three companies and paid taxes in the UK, the Home Office has no record of him.Most people in this country have no idea whatsoever of this callous incompetence, and how it f**ks up people's lives. Worse, I think there's a decent proportion of the population who really don't care what is done in their name.
This is why this law is a stain on the country.1) The Govt has made it impossible for people from the vast majority of countries to legally claim asylum here.2) You CAN claim asylum if you fly to the UK and claim it at border control. But the whole point is that people fleeing genuine oppression will not be able to get a visa to be able to legally fly to the UK in the first place3) Last year, 90% of "illegal" arrivals on Channel boats claimed asylum.4) Of the cases dealt with to date, 62% have been granted asylum or some other leave to remain.5) So the Govt's response is to remove the legal right to claim asylum if you arrive illegally.Just beyond words.
BRRI'm generally a believer in the cock up model of history rather than the conspiracy model.In the case of my brother in law, the core of the problem is that the Home Office which granted his father indefinite leave to remain has no record of the fact that it did so. I KNOW they did because I once saw the documentary evidence he had.That is a classic case of institutional incompetence. The HO haven't had the systems to record their own decisions on something as fundamental as who has the right to live and work here. Under this Govt though, there's been more of a move towards the conspiracy angle. By batting this back to a person who was 8 when his father died and insisting it is HIS responsibility to prove that the HO made that decision, they are deliberately choosing to prevent someone who currently lives overseas from getting his birthright. And of course, it's a low hanging fruit in their aim of being able to crow that they've reduced the numbers of "foreigners" coming to Britain. If this is how they deal with people with a legal right to a British passport, it's a small step to them denying the rights of geniune asylum seekers, which is precisely what this new law will do. But of course this new law is not about justice or morality. It's about stoking the Culture War and making sure angry right wing people stay angry and vote Tory.Thats
i have a genuine question for those on here who take issue with the govt immigration policy.How do you feel about the thousands of young Albanian males coming to the UK. Who now, by some distance, make up the largest percentage of cross channel migrants entering the uk illegally. Please evidence your response. And for context, i ask this because Albanian Organised Crime is going through an explosive increase in the uk currently. Albanian migration into the uk is not a new thing. But this recent wave is next level, and then some.Albanian Organised Crime are like Italian Mafia on steroids. Albanian OCG's now how control of most of the cocaine markets in the uk, with Liverpool being the sole exception (for now) It is this explosion in their activity that is fuelling the dramatic increase in cross channel migration.
Im not asking you SR You gave up the uk some time ago.You don't count.You don't live here.
you dont live here anymore.
Quote from: normal rules on March 08, 2023, 09:47:57 pmyou dont live here anymore.What are you going to do shoot me in the back?waste of lead.
I don’t disagree with any of that, Bristol.But you are quoting my post which is in response to Billy’s personal story regarding his BIL and British passports, not ‘boat people’.
you sound like a right wing extremist nr and you let yourself get wound up by a government wanting to do just that.
Meanwhile, our opposition party is opposing the plan based on how ineffective it is, rather than how disgustingly immoral it is, creating a moral vacuum seemingly filled by f**king Gary Lineker. The story is now about Gary Lineker's opinion of our stride towards fascism rather than the stride itself. We're in a dangerous place here.
My solution would be,build a detention centre in North France, staff it with Border Force/immigration/French Security officers. All asylum Seekers will be processed there if they are genuine put the on a ferry and ship em to a resettlement site, if they Fail, i.e. Albanian or other safe country, or clearly a military militant threat they are not processed but sent on their way, from 'D' days any boat loads recovered Mid Chanel are returned to the centre and processed. It might cost £500 a year but it will be effective. A bit like the huge compound in Nigeria that processes peeps wanting to travel to the UK legally.and I wouldn't bother with Rwanda.