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No, you're not being pedantic Red. The Govt had no authority to make such an undertaking. That is not how Parliament works. Parliament has absolute sovereignty and can make whatever decision it likes. And, critically, no Parliament is beholden to uphold ANYTHING that a previous Parliament has decided. Anyone saying that Parliament has a duty or an obligation to do anything simply doesn't understand how our Govt works.
No, you're not being pedantic Red. The Govt had no authority to make such an undertaking. That is not how Parliament works. Parliament has absolute sovereignty and can make whatever decision it likes. And, critically, no Parliament is beholden to uphold ANYTHING that a previous Parliament has decided. Anyone saying that Parliament has a duty or an obligation to do anything simply doesn't understand how our Govt works.[/quoteHave you ever thought just why the referendum wasn’t promoted as advisory until after the vote? Could it be that the result wasn’t what the Government wanted?
I was thinking earlier today, after a few posts that seemed based on the idea that there is "an EU" and "a UK" and that the former is hell bent on controlling the latter. I was wondering where that bizarre idea comes from. This might help explain it. https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
HAI couldn't possibly claim to know why Cameron's Govt did anything it did. But that's irrelevant. The FACT is that we are not a plebiscitary democracy, we are a Parliamentary democracy. Parliament (not Government) can CHOOSE to be bound by a referendum. Or it can choose to ignore it. And because one Parliament chooses either way, that doesn't bind any later Parliament to stick to that. It's how we do things.
That's an odd conclusion to come to BS. Do you think my understanding of how British government works changes with the situation?
WTF...Raab's resigned over the deal he's supposed to have negotiated!
See my post from earlier this week. A second referendum is even more likely now and that’s going to create even bigger problems. Remainers really do need to be careful what they wish for...
I think you need to re-read what we've been discussing. I wasn't moaning about anything. Just correcting a misunderstanding.
GazCameron thought a lot of things that didn't care well when faced with reality. That's why he's in the too 3 worst PMs we've had at least since the 1920s.
HoundAre you asking us to have sympathy for the Tory Govt that tipped us into this clusterf**k? And what things have cropped up that were never thought of?The core problem that has led to this meltdown in the Tory party is Ireland. I've been saying that was insoluble since before the vote.
Yeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ?
Well, if you judge PMs by their judgement and on the effect they have on our appearance to the rest of the world, you're going to struggle to find 3 worse ones than Eden, Cameron and May. And that's before you go into the unmitigated disaster that was Austerity. Cameron demonstrated that he didn't understand basic undergraduate-level economics. He was unable to keep the lid on the civil war that has engulfed the Tory party for the past 2 generations. And in a bid to stop that war, he had the most monumentally wrong headed domestic decision of any PM I can think of. (And I'm not saying that because the side I supported lost. I'm saying that because the side HE supported lost. His decision to hold a referendum led directly to the end of his tenure.)
Quote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 09:47:33 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ? Erm, we've already had 3 Boomstick, please keep up.