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Having just watched the debate, I have to say that Corbyn played a blinder.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 07:50:37 pmHaving just watched the debate, I have to say that Corbyn played a blinder. Did he say anything? I thought he just left it to Starmer?
A couple of bits of useless trivia.Theresa May lost more votes today than Gordon Brown did in his entire premiership.From the formation of the English Parliament by Magna Carta in 1215, through the turmoil of the Civil Wars and the extension to the UK Parliament in 1801 - this is the first time EVER that MP's have found the Government to be in contempt of Parliament.
Quote from: The Red Baron on December 04, 2018, 08:11:05 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 07:50:37 pmHaving just watched the debate, I have to say that Corbyn played a blinder. Did he say anything? I thought he just left it to Starmer?If he did keep quiet it was probably what HA thought he played a blinder.He couldn’t put his foot in it.
HAThe Italy thing. All EU Govts decided, freely in the early 2000s to keep Govt deficits to less than 3% of GDP. For what it's worth, I think that was badly mistaken. But it was a decision that Govts of all the countries signed up to. It wasn't a diktat of the EU.
I'm in favour of a 2nd Referendum.But did we really need a 2nd Brexit thread on here?
It would have been ideal to have been able to vote for a clearly defined Brexit, don’t you think, regardless of whether you vote leave or stay.?We will end up with a situation which satisfies no one..Great idea it was to vote for a massive change when no one knew what it meant in reality, with no chance to reverse or reinforce the original outcome.. where’s the democracy in that.?My argument isn’t about leave or remain, it’s about having clarity.. a vote on the deal or a 2nd referendum may give a larger leave majority but at least that would be on the grounds of more realistic information..
When people voted for Bliar, did they demand another vote after he took us into an illegal war killing thousands and leading to the creation of isis?
Quote from: IDM on December 05, 2018, 12:40:49 pmIt would have been ideal to have been able to vote for a clearly defined Brexit, don’t you think, regardless of whether you vote leave or stay.?We will end up with a situation which satisfies no one..Great idea it was to vote for a massive change when no one knew what it meant in reality, with no chance to reverse or reinforce the original outcome.. where’s the democracy in that.?My argument isn’t about leave or remain, it’s about having clarity.. a vote on the deal or a 2nd referendum may give a larger leave majority but at least that would be on the grounds of more realistic information..That argument doesn't work, it can be applied to all elections. When people voted for Bliar, did they demand another vote after he took us into an illegal war killing thousands and leading to the creation of isis? It's impossible to know the full facts of what may happen in the future.
Quote from: IDM on December 05, 2018, 12:40:49 pmIt would have been ideal to have been able to vote for a clearly defined Brexit, don’t you think, regardless of whether you vote leave or stay.?We will end up with a situation which satisfies no one..Great idea it was to vote for a massive change when no one knew what it meant in reality, with no chance to reverse or reinforce the original outcome.. where’s the democracy in that.?My argument isn’t about leave or remain, it’s about having clarity.. a vote on the deal or a 2nd referendum may give a larger leave majority but at least that would be on the grounds of more realistic information..As far as I remember the referendum was clear enough, leave or remain?Definition of leave:A1 [ I or T ] to go away from someone or something, for a short time or permanently: I'll be leaving at five o'clock tomorrow.He left the house by the back door.She left the group of people she was with and came over to speak to us.The bus leaves in five minutes.
Despite the Brexit subject being at saturation proportions on this forum, there is still a clash on if we should stay or go.https://youtu.be/BN1WwnEDWAM
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 05, 2018, 02:34:26 pmDespite the Brexit subject being at saturation proportions on this forum, there is still a clash on if we should stay or go.https://youtu.be/BN1WwnEDWAMSo the only sensible option is to take the result at its word regarding the question asked and leave now making it a clean break. No divorce bill, just leave.Why can people not accept the result? I guarantee if remain had won we would have never heard another thing about this.
ALAs numerous people have noted, that was the problem with the Referendum in 2016..Leave was a single, well defined outcome. Leave was an umbrella term that covered dozens of potential outcomes. There was never and there still isn't anything remotely close to a majority for a No Deal Brexit. That was barely even discussed in 2016 and it certainly wasn't advocated by the Leave campaign. Leaving on those terms would be the ultimate perversion of the Referendum result.
It is hard to imagine that anyone thought we could just leave, without any conditions.
I thought we could leave without conditions. I thought the whole reason for leaving was to rid ourselves of conditions. Surely I wasn't alone in thinking this?