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Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 03:34:00 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:38:15 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?So you're saying that the future of 16 year olds is more important than mine, despite decades of myself being a taxpayer?I'm saying there future is a hell of a lot longer so it'll affect them more than you.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:38:15 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?So you're saying that the future of 16 year olds is more important than mine, despite decades of myself being a taxpayer?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.
Quote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.
3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?
You could argue that many of the people who are of age to vote don’t have the intellect and maturity to make an informed choice.!
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 04:23:02 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 03:34:00 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:38:15 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?So you're saying that the future of 16 year olds is more important than mine, despite decades of myself being a taxpayer?I'm saying there future is a hell of a lot longer so it'll affect them more than you.Tough. The younger generation think they know everything. Let them sort it out after i'm gone along with 'climate change'.
.... great point. Especially as the 18-24 Group voted 70 - 30 to Remain - they have to after all endure what an Exit brings be that good or badI also do not believe that anyone of any age could have been brainwashed by the information given that supported either Leave of Remain because largely there were no facts - just hypothesis on either side
You could argue that many of the people who are of age to vote don’t have the intellect and maturity to make an informed choice.!Not only that, the brexit referendum wasn’t an informed choice in the first place.!!Thanks for helping me illustrate that point..
Quote from: IDM on December 19, 2018, 04:41:30 pmYou could argue that many of the people who are of age to vote don’t have the intellect and maturity to make an informed choice.!Not only that, the brexit referendum wasn’t an informed choice in the first place.!!Thanks for helping me illustrate that point..So your saying the voting age should be around 21 - 75 ish. I'm fine by that. As for the referendum, the choice was simple, remain or leave . The public chose leave. If the remain campaign had a problem with that question, they should have raised it at the time.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 04:52:32 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 04:23:02 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 03:34:00 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:38:15 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?So you're saying that the future of 16 year olds is more important than mine, despite decades of myself being a taxpayer?I'm saying there future is a hell of a lot longer so it'll affect them more than you.Tough. The younger generation think they know everything. Let them sort it out after i'm gone along with 'climate change'.Ahh Baby Boomers, the generation that had everything handed to them and ruined it for future generations.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 05:05:01 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 04:52:32 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 04:23:02 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 03:34:00 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:38:15 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 12:32:39 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 19, 2018, 12:27:38 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 19, 2018, 11:38:25 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on December 18, 2018, 06:02:46 pmQuote from: Filo on December 18, 2018, 05:10:33 pm3500 army personell placed on standby for a no deal brexit, do they think things ate going to turn violent?People most likely to riot? Young people.People most ignored and voted heavily to remain? Young people.People's Vote with 3 options of No Deal, Remain or May's Deal. That will then calm things instead of May taking us towards no deal with her fingers in her ears. Allow 16 year olds to vote too as it will affect them more than someone who is 61.16 year olds who know nothing other than what they have been brainwashed by the left wing teaching mafia.Some 16 year olds know more than some 60 year olds.What the dead ones?Most of the youth I come across are only interested in I-phones and video games. They're not old enough to vote and that is the law. You only want to change it because you hope in this case it suits your requirements.Read my post from earlier. I want this because it affects a 16 year old more than an 85 year old. Why do they get no say in their futures?So you're saying that the future of 16 year olds is more important than mine, despite decades of myself being a taxpayer?I'm saying there future is a hell of a lot longer so it'll affect them more than you.Tough. The younger generation think they know everything. Let them sort it out after i'm gone along with 'climate change'.Ahh Baby Boomers, the generation that had everything handed to them and ruined it for future generations.gThat is an insult to all people of my age. I left school in 1964 and retired just before my 66th birthday. I had two jobs at times and worked overtime to leave me comfortable in retirement. Me an my family have also cost the state very little over those years.Don't dare to tar everybody with the same brush.
Quote from: Boomstick on December 19, 2018, 05:47:08 pmQuote from: IDM on December 19, 2018, 04:41:30 pmYou could argue that many of the people who are of age to vote don’t have the intellect and maturity to make an informed choice.!Not only that, the brexit referendum wasn’t an informed choice in the first place.!!Thanks for helping me illustrate that point..So your saying the voting age should be around 21 - 75 ish. I'm fine by that. As for the referendum, the choice was simple, remain or leave . The public chose leave. If the remain campaign had a problem with that question, they should have raised it at the time. Age doesn't give someone the knowledge to make a intelligent vote. There's people in that age bracket you mention who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.
Ah, so in future, we take away the vote from people who you imagine vote on the wrong basis, the wrong basis being that you don't agree with them?
Quote from: Boomstick on December 19, 2018, 05:47:08 pmQuote from: IDM on December 19, 2018, 04:41:30 pmYou could argue that many of the people who are of age to vote don’t have the intellect and maturity to make an informed choice.!Not only that, the brexit referendum wasn’t an informed choice in the first place.!!Thanks for helping me illustrate that point..So your saying the voting age should be around 21 - 75 ish. I'm fine by that. As for the referendum, the choice was simple, remain or leave . The public chose leave. If the remain campaign had a problem with that question, they should have raised it at the time. I never said anything about those age groups. Can’t see why you concluded that..And yes, the choice was clear, but the meaning of the choice, ie the informed part, certainly wasn’t - regardless of the politicking on both sides..
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 19, 2018, 06:57:27 pmAh, so in future, we take away the vote from people who you imagine vote on the wrong basis, the wrong basis being that you don't agree with them?What is this crap? I'm saying age doesn't equal the intelligence to vote, so 16 year olds should be given the chance, not to remove anyones rights. It's the pro-Brexit people that seem to believe that age matters over understanding of what you're voting for.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 19, 2018, 06:57:27 pmAh, so in future, we take away the vote from people who you imagine vote on the wrong basis, the wrong basis being that you don't agree with them?Point out to me what part of my post I mentioned taking away anyone's vote? can't see it myself.
Quote from: RedJ on December 19, 2018, 07:10:05 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 19, 2018, 06:57:27 pmAh, so in future, we take away the vote from people who you imagine vote on the wrong basis, the wrong basis being that you don't agree with them?Point out to me what part of my post I mentioned taking away anyone's vote? can't see it myself.So you disagree with DonnyOsmond then yet question MY post? Why not question his?
I've said before that my point is age doesn't equal knowledge and wisdom to make a smart vote and there's 16 year olds in a better position than 65 year olds. My obvious point was there is people in the current voting age and in Boomsticks mentioned range who don't have the smarts to make a knowledgeable choice without their prejudices, "fake news", etc clouding their judgement. We live in a democracy where people in the voting age get to make their own choice and that's fine with me, even if it's not the same choice as mine. I'm talking about the people who think we'll go back to the days of the empire, the people that think Merkel is going to turn into Hitler and send us all to war, the people that think Corbyn's a terrorist because the Daily Mail says so, the people that think Brexit meant kicking out Muslims from Britain (I know a person who thought this), etc.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on December 20, 2018, 08:22:09 amI've said before that my point is age doesn't equal knowledge and wisdom to make a smart vote and there's 16 year olds in a better position than 65 year olds. My obvious point was there is people in the current voting age and in Boomsticks mentioned range who don't have the smarts to make a knowledgeable choice without their prejudices, "fake news", etc clouding their judgement. We live in a democracy where people in the voting age get to make their own choice and that's fine with me, even if it's not the same choice as mine. I'm talking about the people who think we'll go back to the days of the empire, the people that think Merkel is going to turn into Hitler and send us all to war, the people that think Corbyn's a terrorist because the Daily Mail says so, the people that think Brexit meant kicking out Muslims from Britain (I know a person who thought this), etc.I think you are naive if you think those people exist - they largely do not. They don't have these thoughts because of any papers etc but because of who they actually are. There's also young people and plenty of them with these views.The reality is that the cycle probably hasn't changed in terms of age that much (though I haven't researched it). You inevitably have a much different view on the world when younger then older as for quite a few, things change in terms of lifestyle, finance, social groups, employment etc.....All that being said, I'd probably agree that 16 is a fair age for voting. 16 year olds on the whole do have enough knowledge to make the decision, they just have a different outlook given that point in their life.