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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 16, 2019, 09:02:33 pmOn what planet are ERG members going to vote to give Corbyn a shot at No10?When it looks like Brexit is going to die and a General Election is the only way they can see of keeping it alive.
On what planet are ERG members going to vote to give Corbyn a shot at No10?
Quote from: GazLaz on January 17, 2019, 08:10:18 amQuote from: drfchound on January 17, 2019, 08:01:38 amMr Corbyn is missing a good opportunity here by not attending the cross party talks.IF the talks resulted in a deal being struck which would be acceptable to Parliament and more importantly, to the EU, then Corbyn and the Labour Party members would always be able to say that it was them who got the thing sorted out.I think he will collect his toys up anyway soon and join in the chat, he has no option really.JC is just operating a week in front of everyone else by trying to get May to take no deal off the table. Parliament will force her to do that in the next week or so. May just shows no signs of any forward thinking or flexibility. Exactly. He wants May to publicly alienate the ERG so they'll turn against her even more.
Quote from: drfchound on January 17, 2019, 08:01:38 amMr Corbyn is missing a good opportunity here by not attending the cross party talks.IF the talks resulted in a deal being struck which would be acceptable to Parliament and more importantly, to the EU, then Corbyn and the Labour Party members would always be able to say that it was them who got the thing sorted out.I think he will collect his toys up anyway soon and join in the chat, he has no option really.JC is just operating a week in front of everyone else by trying to get May to take no deal off the table. Parliament will force her to do that in the next week or so. May just shows no signs of any forward thinking or flexibility.
Mr Corbyn is missing a good opportunity here by not attending the cross party talks.IF the talks resulted in a deal being struck which would be acceptable to Parliament and more importantly, to the EU, then Corbyn and the Labour Party members would always be able to say that it was them who got the thing sorted out.I think he will collect his toys up anyway soon and join in the chat, he has no option really.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/may-will-stick-to-brexit-principles-in-cross-party-talks-says-no-10So what exactly is the point of holding talks if you're not actually going to budge on anything meaningful?
As I said the other day, I'm starting to seriously question May's mental health. She seems utterly detached from the reality and critical nature of the situation.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 17, 2019, 03:11:44 pmAs I said the other day, I'm starting to seriously question May's mental health. She seems utterly detached from the reality and critical nature of the situation.Is there any chance we can have her certified?
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 17, 2019, 03:16:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 17, 2019, 03:11:44 pmAs I said the other day, I'm starting to seriously question May's mental health. She seems utterly detached from the reality and critical nature of the situation.Is there any chance we can have her certified?''Business leaders urge Theresa May to introduce new laws on mental health first aid in the workplace''This is a big hint?https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/18/business-leaders-urge-theresa-may-introduce-new-laws-mental/
Quote from: Arsenal Of The North on January 17, 2019, 01:02:34 pmIf there is a GE would you still vote the same way? (This is mainly aimed at the people who voted to leave as I can’t imagine the remainers have changed there mind) I voted leave, and I’d still vote the same way my self Am not sure you can equate the 2 mate. I voted leave, would again (though the monumental f**k sauce they are making of it casts some doubts on the process) but I wouldn't vote the same in a GE as I did last time as I couldnt back either main party. I have concluded that no one in the house is interested in anything else than lining their own pockets and those of their principle backers ( big business / unions)
If there is a GE would you still vote the same way? (This is mainly aimed at the people who voted to leave as I can’t imagine the remainers have changed there mind) I voted leave, and I’d still vote the same way my self
I said this on twitter yesterday, in many of Countrys if their Government was acting like ours theyd either be on the brink of civil war or a coup would have teken place
So your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening?
Quote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:42:42 pmSo your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening? If you can call something like :"What will you compromise on, PM?""Nothing, you have to vote for my deal""Goodbye"as a discussion, then yes, they are taking place.
HoundIt's THAT simple. May has brought this on us by deciding that Brexit meant leaving the CU. Labour says Brexit does not require us to leave the CU (although admittedly, Corbyn had to be dragged to that position by wiser heads).
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 06:47:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:42:42 pmSo your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening? If you can call something like :"What will you compromise on, PM?""Nothing, you have to vote for my deal""Goodbye"as a discussion, then yes, they are taking place.Oh, you've been invited to them have you?
Quote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:55:18 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 06:47:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:42:42 pmSo your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening? If you can call something like :"What will you compromise on, PM?""Nothing, you have to vote for my deal""Goodbye"as a discussion, then yes, they are taking place.Oh, you've been invited to them have you? That's what been reported by the BBC as happening. The other parties (LibDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Green), although they have met with her have also asked May to take No Deal off the table before talking and she's refused, so end of discussion.What's your version of what has been happening?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 07:04:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:55:18 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 06:47:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:42:42 pmSo your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening? If you can call something like :"What will you compromise on, PM?""Nothing, you have to vote for my deal""Goodbye"as a discussion, then yes, they are taking place.Oh, you've been invited to them have you? That's what been reported by the BBC as happening. The other parties (LibDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Green), although they have met with her have also asked May to take No Deal off the table before talking and she's refused, so end of discussion.What's your version of what has been happening?She'd be damn right stupid if she took no deal off the table, it's her strongest bargaining chip.
Quote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 09:30:17 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 07:04:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:55:18 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 17, 2019, 06:47:48 pmQuote from: Boomstick on January 17, 2019, 06:42:42 pmSo your saying these discussions that are happening, aren't happening? If you can call something like :"What will you compromise on, PM?""Nothing, you have to vote for my deal""Goodbye"as a discussion, then yes, they are taking place.Oh, you've been invited to them have you? That's what been reported by the BBC as happening. The other parties (LibDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Green), although they have met with her have also asked May to take No Deal off the table before talking and she's refused, so end of discussion.What's your version of what has been happening?She'd be damn right stupid if she took no deal off the table, it's her strongest bargaining chip. it's a funny bargaining chip when it's preventing other parties from being persuaded to back her in Parliament.
The "end-game" here will be 30 Tory Europhiles (Soubry etc) having to make a choice between "no deal" or bringing down their own goverment. There will be twists and turns over the next few weeks, but that is what the final outcome will be based on.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 17, 2019, 09:20:08 amHoundIt's THAT simple. May has brought this on us by deciding that Brexit meant leaving the CU. Labour says Brexit does not require us to leave the CU (although admittedly, Corbyn had to be dragged to that position by wiser heads).You keep saying this but it's just not true. Starmer and Corbyn announced together that a CU was official Labour policy in August 2017. Starmer in the Observer and Corbyn on the Marr show.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/27/labour-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-policy-changeAgreed with everything else you had to say about the policy tho.