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And people wonder why we are where we are.... https://youtu.be/SmqKvuyNPA8
Just a staging post tonight.The real action starts with the Cabinet resignations. Likely this week, unavoidable next IMHO.Might start after May has her 6 hour session tomorrow......6 hours with her would break most!If May knows that division in the Cabinet is imminent, how does she plan for the breakdown in predictable outcomes that will follow on?I reckon she will try to put her deal again, fail again, and then call a GE to break the impasse and hope the party will re-group around a new leader. Assumes BoJo can be kept off the showdown list, clearly!
Quote from: albie on April 01, 2019, 11:40:58 pmJust a staging post tonight.The real action starts with the Cabinet resignations. Likely this week, unavoidable next IMHO.Might start after May has her 6 hour session tomorrow......6 hours with her would break most!If May knows that division in the Cabinet is imminent, how does she plan for the breakdown in predictable outcomes that will follow on?I reckon she will try to put her deal again, fail again, and then call a GE to break the impasse and hope the party will re-group around a new leader. Assumes BoJo can be kept off the showdown list, clearly!If/ when there are resignations we'll know which direction May has decided to go in.
Leave with a properly negotiated deal would be my preferred option, but no deal is what we probably deserve. And the sun will shine the day after, you will all still have to go to work, and a few days after everyone will be thinking what was all the fuss about. The only certain thing will be that the market makers in the city of London will have made a killing, and will be looking at the EU and if there is any weakness in its make up, probably the Mediterranean countries they will go after their scalps like a pack of Hyenas, and sod anyone else, there's money to be made.
It's still brinkmanship. We're not (quite) at the very edge of the cliff yet. Everyone is thinking that everyone else might bottle it first and come to their camp.
Here you go. Some more numbers for Leave supporters to ignore. https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1RD1T8Since 2016, we've gone into a significantly slower growth path compared to what we were doing before and what other, comparable countries have done since. Goldman Sachs reckon that's cost us the thick end of £100bn over the past three years. The amount that we have lost and are continuing to lose would be enough to pay for 1million new nurses. One f**king MILLION new nurses. Still. We took back control eh? I'm sure you're all chuffed to bits with yourselves. EDIT. And THAT has come about while we're still in the EU. And the people who told you that wouldn't happen are the same snake oil salesmen telling you that it'll be fine if we have no deal. It won't matter that we consciously choose to make it harder to trade with half a billion if the wealthiest people on the planet, right on our doorstep. Because Liam Fox has negotiated Free Trade deals with Palestine and the Faroe Islands. Honest question to those still supporting leave. What level of economic loss would convince you to think that you might have been sold a pup? How much of a hit in your own pocket would you say is too much?£100?£1000?£10,000?£100,000?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 02:16:49 pmHere you go. Some more numbers for Leave supporters to ignore. https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1RD1T8Since 2016, we've gone into a significantly slower growth path compared to what we were doing before and what other, comparable countries have done since. Goldman Sachs reckon that's cost us the thick end of £100bn over the past three years. The amount that we have lost and are continuing to lose would be enough to pay for 1million new nurses. One f**king MILLION new nurses. Still. We took back control eh? I'm sure you're all chuffed to bits with yourselves. EDIT. And THAT has come about while we're still in the EU. And the people who told you that wouldn't happen are the same snake oil salesmen telling you that it'll be fine if we have no deal. It won't matter that we consciously choose to make it harder to trade with half a billion if the wealthiest people on the planet, right on our doorstep. Because Liam Fox has negotiated Free Trade deals with Palestine and the Faroe Islands. Honest question to those still supporting leave. What level of economic loss would convince you to think that you might have been sold a pup? How much of a hit in your own pocket would you say is too much?£100?£1000?£10,000?£100,000?It's something your not getting is it, even after 2 years. It's not about the economics, it's about British sovereignty and immigration. Your using an economic argument, to argue your ideological views. Instead of just having the spine to admit and argue your ideological viewpoint.Oh and that slower growth is due uncertainty, NOT DUE TO THE LEAVE VOTE. That uncertainty is down to mps. Your again spinning and twisting things.
Except, despite BS's obsession with a Dunkirk Spirit approach, there's no evidence that people voted in the knowledge that there was a trade off between Sovereignty and Economy. They were told over and over and over and over again by the liars in Vote Leave and Leave.EU that leaving meant they could have both. BS might be one of these noble democrats who would be prepared to live naked in a cave and eat fresh air if it meant it was HIS cave. I suspect most folk would be a bit peeved to find that Brexit has already cost the country £6000 and rising for every family of four, and that the predictions are you'll be able to put a zero on that by the mid-2020s.
The Cabinet meeting is dragging on today
Quote from: Filo on April 01, 2019, 11:21:04 pmHow close are we to Civil unrest?Everyone is sick to the back teeth of thisDon't forget this is not France, this is the UK.As Mark E. Smith put it "start the revolution when the pubs shut."Being serious, it won't happen unless we either leave with no deal or Article 50 is revoked. More likely we'll go through another 1-2 years of the nonsense.
How close are we to Civil unrest?Everyone is sick to the back teeth of this
So the growth tracked pretty much the same until around a year after the referendum, when the mps f**king around became apparent. Funny that, eh?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 02, 2019, 04:40:17 pmSo the growth tracked pretty much the same until around a year after the referendum, when the mps f**king around became apparent. Funny that, eh?It wasn't put before the MPs until January this year after May delayed it from December. Funny that, eh?
People voted on philosophical ideals - which is perfectly ok - but the practicalities were far from clear..How can MPs get 5 or 6 votes in this when the electorate only gets one.?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on April 02, 2019, 04:50:06 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 02, 2019, 04:40:17 pmSo the growth tracked pretty much the same until around a year after the referendum, when the mps f**king around became apparent. Funny that, eh?It wasn't put before the MPs until January this year after May delayed it from December. Funny that, eh?When I say mps f**king around, you must realise I include May, and the government.So excuse my when I say, what's your point?