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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on December 17, 2014, 11:40:53 pm
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Does anyone think the board have told Dickov that a huge improvement in form and performances are required in the next few weeks or he'll be getting his P45?
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I can't believe that some sort of ultimatum hasn't been given.
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
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due to the boards response i think they are quite happy with the situation,otherwise he would have gone some time ago
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The man deserves a bit of time after the preseason we had.
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We need to assess the situation now. January is another month down the line. Another month gone where opinion remains the same.
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The man deserves a bit of time after the preseason we had.
Rubbish, its git nothing to do with performances now
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due to the boards response i think they are quite happy with the situation,otherwise he would have gone some time ago
what was there response?
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The silence is deafening
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It is not the job of ANY Board of Directors to publicly comment on the performance of either their employees or their company. In the case of a privately owned organisation, that is doubly the case. Their role is to oversee, to appoint and to remove and to set long term goals. How the company gets to those goals, is, within reason, in the hands of the Chief Exec. It is therefore he who will be under severe pressure at the moment.
BobG
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It is not the job of ANY Board of Directors to publicly comment on the performance of either their employees or their company. In the case of a privately owned organisation, that is doubly the case. Their role is to oversee, to appoint and to remove and to set long term goals. How the company gets to those goals, is, within reason, in the hands of the Chief Exec. It is therefore he who will be under severe pressure at the moment.
BobG
Have we still got one? :aok:
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
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You have to remember though SM that whilst your having all these 'chats' with various people within the club, that information/content isn't shared, your every day supporter can only see what's in front of them. At the minute, that is nothing.
I'm not one that believes every shred of information should be put in to the public domain but surely some can be put out.
Take to new chairman for example. How long has he been in post and how many times have we heard anything from him??
There is a balance between not putting too much out there and keeping the fans up to speed.
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
So how long has dickov got?
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
Martin,
While I appreciate what you mean, but "For people to suggest that they show no concern" isn't wide of the mark, it's actually correct, they show no concern. The question of whether they should show concern is discussed elsewhere, but I don't think it is wrong to say that no concern is being shown, I haven't seen any.
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Take to new chairman for example. How long has he been in post and how many times have we heard anything from him??
There is a balance between not putting too much out there and keeping the fans up to speed.
I think most supporters will agree with you there, Ian, and it is something we have raised in discussions with the club.
Supporter's have told us we've gone from 10 years of having soundbites on demand to the complete opposite end of the spectrum, and we've passed on those comments to the club. They are aware and will no doubt address it soon.
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
January 1st or January 31st? I only ask cos you see the longer 'we' procrastinate, the further we sink & the more we end up 'panic buying' the next incumbent. Then there's the small matter of January's transfer window, are you really wanting to hand that possible window of opportunity to PD?
I know it's the season of goodwill & all that, but come on, as Roberto Duran once said, "No Mas".
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
You come on here quite a lot telling us of your cozy chats with the powers that be. Isn't it about time you started to elaborate a little more rather than just scattering crumbs.
I was under the impression that you represented the VSC? not Martin O'Hara when you have your "chats"
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Wellred, do you really think the club want, or will allow everything said in confidence to the supporters cooperative to be fed into the general fan base?
I think you know the answer to that question.
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Wellred, do you really think the club want, or will allow everything said in confidence to the supporters cooperative to be fed into the general fan base?
I think you know the answer to that question.
Everything?? Something would be a start!
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
You come on here quite a lot telling us of your cozy chats with the powers that be. Isn't it about time you started to elaborate a little more rather than just scattering crumbs.
I was under the impression that you represented the VSC? not Martin O'Hara when you have your "chats"
How often is quite a lot? I challenge you to find recent posts where I've done exactly this. Or any posts!
How do you know who i was representing on Monday? are you suggesting that I should only talk to him as a VSC representative, or am I not allowed to talk to him as an individual like anybody else? And should I then publicly repost everything we discussed?
As it happens I was wearing my FSF hat on Monday, so do you think I should share that with you too??
You're so desperate to criticise that you've forgotten to engage brain and manners.
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The silence is becoming unberable from the board and its starting to piss a lot of fans off, me included.
SM whilst you might have been reassured by your pal on the board, nobody else has. And thats what stinks. The fans deserve a lot better than this.
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The silence is becoming unberable from the board and its starting to piss a lot of fans off, me included.
SM whilst you might have been reassured by your pal on the board, nobody else has. And thats what stinks. The fans deserve a lot better than this.
Where did I say I had been reassured?
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
I apologise you never used that exact word, i'll rephrase if it helps you out matey
The silence is becoming unberable from the board and its starting to piss a lot of fans off, me included.
SM whilst you might have had a long chat by your pal on the board, nobody else has heard anything from him or the board. And thats what stinks. The fans deserve a lot better than this.
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
I apologise you never used that exact word, i'll rephrase if it helps you out matey
The silence is becoming unberable from the board and its starting to piss a lot of fans off, me included.
SM whilst you might have had a long chat by your pal on the board, nobody else has heard anything from him or the board. And thats what stinks. The fans deserve a lot better than this.
It doesn't help me out matey, apart from quoting me more accurately.
But what exactly do you think the board should be telling you?
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Yes we have. I spent a long time chatting with him on Monday on a whole range of subjects and of course team performance was one of those. For people to suggest that they show no concern or don't care about our current level of performance is very wide of the mark.
You come on here quite a lot telling us of your cozy chats with the powers that be. Isn't it about time you started to elaborate a little more rather than just scattering crumbs.
I was under the impression that you represented the VSC? not Martin O'Hara when you have your "chats"
How often is quite a lot? I challenge you to find recent posts where I've done exactly this. Or any posts!
How do you know who i was representing on Monday? are you suggesting that I should only talk to him as a VSC representative, or am I not allowed to talk to him as an individual like anybody else? And should I then publicly repost everything we discussed?
As it happens I was wearing my FSF hat on Monday, so do you think I should share that with you too??
You're so desperate to criticise that you've forgotten to engage brain and manners.
Desperate? No.
Just curious as to what the vsc and its representatives actually do to keep the supporters informed as to what is going on at our club.
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Curious? I doubt it.
Now my interpretation of your previous post was a personal slur aimed at me. Maybe you should apologise for that and then ask the question politely.
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Like its been mentioned further up, we've gone from regular updates from the club for the last 10 years. Constant communication to this.
Do you think the fans are updated about the club enough? And by club i dont mean some vouchers for £10 off a Dons match. I mean the Rovers, the team i support, not 'Club Doncaster'
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Like its been mentioned further up, we've gone from regular updates from the club for the last 10 years. Constant communication to this.
Do you think the fans are updated about the club enough? And by club i dont mean some vouchers for £10 off a Dons match. I mean the Rovers, the team i support, not 'Club Doncaster'
Don't doubt that. There's definitely been a major change in how the club communicate. That's not such a bad thing at times but if you want sound-bites from the Chairman I doubt very much you'll get it from this one.
If you remember the last time we were in a similar position JR was busy telling everybody that SOD's job was safe, and then sacked him 2 days later. I can't see the current board behaving so inappropriately.
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Like its been mentioned further up, we've gone from regular updates from the club for the last 10 years. Constant communication to this.
Do you think the fans are updated about the club enough? And by club i dont mean some vouchers for £10 off a Dons match. I mean the Rovers, the team i support, not 'Club Doncaster'
Don't doubt that. There's definitely been a major change in how the club communicate. That's not such a bad thing at times but if you want sound-bites from the Chairman I doubt very much you'll get it from this one.
If you remember the last time we were in a similar position JR was busy telling everybody that SOD's job was safe, and then sacked him 2 days later. I can't see the current board behaving so inappropriately.
Any chance to have a go at JR is taken i see haha.
Ah just have to deal with it then. No communication from the current Chairman. Fans you just pay your money and watch the shite that has been served up and we'll stay behind the scenes and keep quiet.
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But doesn't my example show you how difficult it is to post public statements?
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i have said this before sm as an ex union rep it was my job to meet with management and voice the views of my members,my views were irrelevant.but i get the feeling and i am not having a go at you personally the board of the vsc express there own views and thats all that matter
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So how would you know what views we express?
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i have said this before sm as an ex union rep it was my job to meet with management and voice the views of my members,my views were irrelevant.but i get the feeling and i am not having a go at you personally the board of the vsc express there own views and thats all that matter
I also served as a shop steward Acko and there were times when we couldn't report to members because discussions were ongoing.
There was one incident where people we're so fed up of not hearing from the union that they shot themselves in the foot and accepted a lower rise than was going to be offered.
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why not tell us what views you express apart from we all hate ryan,and we think the sun shines out of the boards arse
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i agree with you idler but i am sure your members new what was on the agenda
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I don't recall sm ever saying he hates jr or that the sun shines out of the boards arse acko! I do recall him raising valid questions however and not excepting at face value what jr said or indeed what the current board have said! Which were answered in very different ways - as secretary of the vsc, sm has (with the backing of the vsc board and most members - but not all) been at the forefront over the last 2 years of doing exactly what the initial vsc set up was aimed to do - nothing more or nothing less!
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For me, SM is digging a hole for himself . He has digs at JR but never said a bad word about this board ,even now in the mess we are in .He has never once put any facts on the table , just the fact that he knows and we don't . This forum and the club is only going one way.
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I agree that JR maybe spoke without thinking too often, but there is a happy medium to be struck. I'm sure the current board won't have the opportunity to "behave inappropriately" given they never say anything at all!
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we have no communication at all and from what I see and read on here I have come to my own conclusion that people have come from being normal supporters in the stands to people who are up there own arse and become yes men and not bothered about us the regular supporter who in fact pay a lot of money and continue to pay a lot of money and get frig all in reply
people need to realise whos this club is and where it would be without us
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i am not nieve enough to thing bramhall listens to anythjng people say weather its on here or meetings with vsc i doubt hes ever listened to anybody in his life.but surely a voice from the chairman giving dickov the dreaded vote of confidence if they are happy with what hes doing,its the norm in football before you sack a manager,but this silence can only lead to conjecture
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Once again Jerry Bramhall makes an appearance.
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i mentioned bramhall because hes the one that makes the rules rest of the board just wipe his arse
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I think someone on here is just envious of Bramalls wealth.
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
January 1st or January 31st? I only ask cos you see the longer 'we' procrastinate, the further we sink & the more we end up 'panic buying' the next incumbent. Then there's the small matter of January's transfer window, are you really wanting to hand that possible window of opportunity to PD?
I know it's the season of goodwill & all that, but come on, as Roberto Duran once said, "No Mas".
Yeah. Cos he did a shite job in the last January transfer window didn't he?
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why not tell us what views you express apart from we all hate ryan,and we think the sun shines out of the boards arse
Because judging from that post you twist what people say. :lol:
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i thought everyone new my views donny much like i know what side of the fence vsc board sit on
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
January 1st or January 31st? I only ask cos you see the longer 'we' procrastinate, the further we sink & the more we end up 'panic buying' the next incumbent. Then there's the small matter of January's transfer window, are you really wanting to hand that possible window of opportunity to PD?
I know it's the season of goodwill & all that, but come on, as Roberto Duran once said, "No Mas".
Yeah. Cos he did a shite job in the last January transfer window didn't he?
Well, the players he brought in didn't keep us up so hardly a success!
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So enlighten us acko, what side of which fence do he vsc board sit on and more importantly - prove it man!
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dont have to prove it the board members on here say it
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Can't think off top of me head, but don't know one club in the country we're the board consult with fans and tell them what's going off behind closed doors. Indeed I think the fans are always the last to know. Might be wrong? If not what right av we to demand
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dont have to prove it the board members on here say it
Do you think they all think the same thing or that they have differing opinions at all?
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ive not seen anthing yet what says they have different opinions and express them.and envious of bramhalls wealth,if he his a true supporter like he makes out then why are we near the bottom of league one,it wouldnt need a massive investment and like andy liney said when they joined their small change would go a long way
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Why did you join the VSC acko?
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ive not seen anthing yet what says they have different opinions and express them.and envious of bramhalls wealth,if he his a true supporter like he makes out then why are we near the bottom of league one,it wouldnt need a massive investment and like andy liney said when they joined their small change would go a long way
Then I would suggest you've not been looking in the right places.
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ive not seen anthing yet what says they have different opinions and express them.and envious of bramhalls wealth,if he his a true supporter like he makes out then why are we near the bottom of league one,it wouldnt need a massive investment and like andy liney said when they joined their small change would go a long way
I think you'll find we do on many things which is a good thing.
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i was given the impression they was good for rovers,filo i was wrong,will i be renewing NO would i recomend it to others NO,do i think they represent the supporters NO,
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Why don't you think they're good for rovers or represent the supporters? Any specific reasons?
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i could talk for ages regarding this glynn but the bear facts are you ask a question and never get an answer i am talking sm in this cause i dont know any of the others
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Acko, you've had plenty of answers to all your questions, your problem is you don't pay any attention to the answers you're given and carry on to the point of ad nauseoum.
You are still making the point that I hate JR and as I said before I don't hate anybody, if you have proof them produce it.
But bear this in mind, during the SC takeover bid I tabled, on behalf of the VSC, 18 questions that would give us some idea what the buyers intentions were. David Blunt answered every question he was asked and went into some detail about what their plans were for the club.
Unfortunately the same questions to SC had a different response. The only response I got was several solicitors letters threatening legal action. Not only that they threatened to sue me for substantial sums of money. I could give you much more detail about what else they threatened but to be honest I doubt you'd pay any attention.
So, if you think I'm sat on one side of the fence then you're right. But I must point out to you, there is no other side of the fence these days. You can pin your hopes on some kind of miracle but you're wasting your time and everybody else's.
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ive not seen anthing yet what says they have different opinions and express them.and envious of bramhalls wealth,if he his a true supporter like he makes out then why are we near the bottom of league one,it wouldnt need a massive investment and like andy liney said when they joined their small change would go a long way
Hang on a minute, you can't have it both ways... I thought the widely held view of his detractors on here was that he never gives us any information and he isn't remotely interested in football. So, Mr acko, when exactly did he 'make out' that he is a true supporter?
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i was given the impression they was good for rovers,filo i was wrong,will i be renewing NO would i recomend it to others NO,do i think they represent the supporters NO,
It seems to me that you've joined with pre-concieved opinions, and no matter what anyone says you will not alter those opinions and just plough on regardless
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3 answers in one,it was stated publicly the tb and dw where lifelong supporters,to you sm why question blunt what was his position during the takeover attempt and if you asked questions that was true i fail to see how they could sue you.and filo i have not seen or heard anything to alter my pre conceived opinion.but if it pleases everybody i wiil stop posting
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3 answers in one,it was stated publicly the tb and dw where lifelong supporters,to you sm why question blunt what was his position during the takeover attempt and if you asked questions that was true i fail to see how they could sue you.and filo i have not seen or heard anything to alter my pre conceived opinion.but if it pleases everybody i wiil stop posting
So you had a pre conceived opinion (agenda), why not come with an open mind instead?
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Acko no need to stop posting as that is what they want.
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
January 1st or January 31st? I only ask cos you see the longer 'we' procrastinate, the further we sink & the more we end up 'panic buying' the next incumbent. Then there's the small matter of January's transfer window, are you really wanting to hand that possible window of opportunity to PD?
I know it's the season of goodwill & all that, but come on, as Roberto Duran once said, "No Mas".
Yeah. Cos he did a shite job in the last January transfer window didn't he?
Well, the players he brought in didn't keep us up so hardly a success!
From mid-January, after making several signings, we went on a 14 match run of near-play off form (22 points from 14 games).
The fact that we didn't stay up was nothing to do with Dickov's ability in the transfer market (or the club's supposed failure to back him).
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Acko no need to stop posting as that is what they want.
It's not what I want
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Acko no need to stop posting as that is what they want.
Who wants this??
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3 answers in one,it was stated publicly the tb and dw where lifelong supporters,to you sm why question blunt what was his position during the takeover attempt and if you asked questions that was true i fail to see how they could sue you.and filo i have not seen or heard anything to alter my pre conceived opinion.but if it pleases everybody i wiil stop posting
DB was acting on behalf of TB and DW during the talks, so it was appropriate to ask him what the longer term aims were. His response was published on here. SC chose to make threats. Nobody could put faith in that approach.
They claimed the questions were defamatory in content. A strange thing to say but that's what they claimed. Of course they went on to make other threats too but I'm not giving you those details.
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Someone name me one other (non-fan owned) club where the marketing manager gives out his personal mobile number and replies to all emails & tweets send to him, where the CEO sits down with representatives from the supporters trust on a monthly, often more regular, basis, and the owners of the club face the fans twice a year and answer all questions put to them? If they don't care what we, the fans think, it's a bloody funny way of showing it!
People are complaining the board aren't saying anything about the managerial situation, yet when they are given answers as to why the board can't or might not be saying anything, they simply choose to ignore or dismiss them? It's been highlighted what happened last time the Chairman came out and made a statement when the fans were restless - it was a PR disaster!
Acko et al - what, exactly, would you like the owners to say that would make you happy? And if you reply with "they should say we're going to sack Mr Dickov tomorrow" you obviously have no idea about how a football club is and/or should be run, and there's probably no point in discussing this further with you.
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Bob to be fair they don't say anything on any subject,once in months there was a press release a few weeks ago just about general stuff,maybe they should do that more often
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Who wants it ... The same people that have driven away a lot of people on here for not having the same opinion as them .
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Aye No Eyed Deer. You're dead right. Idiots like Acko, you, Wellred have driven away a very large number of decent supporters. All guys like you do is ask the same questions hundreds and hundreds of times, ignore the same answer given as many hundreds of times, and then, make libellous statements based on no facts whatsoever.
I hope you guys like living in a narrow minded, closed in world with neither stimulus nor growth allowed. Because that's where this attitude is leading. Speaking personally, i hope you all enjoy it. It's about all you are capable of dealing with.
BobG
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i resent being called an idiot bobg,i have not called you names,and as far as i know ive never driven anyone away from the rovers on the contary i started watching when i was 8,startedmy sons when they was8 followed by grandsons the youngest made a season ticket holder at 2 days old now a regular i dont and never have dis couraged them from going they have minds of there own.i dont like what the owners are doing or not doing,i certainly think the consept of club doncaster is a daft idea at this moment,
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i dont like what the owners are doing or not doing,i certainly think the consept of club doncaster is a daft idea at this moment,
I think that was already clear to be fair acko.
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acko don't take anything Bob G says to heart , nobody else does.
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Someone name me one other (non-fan owned) club where the marketing manager gives out his personal mobile number and replies to all emails & tweets send to him, where the CEO sits down with representatives from the supporters trust on a monthly, often more regular, basis, and the owners of the club face the fans twice a year and answer all questions put to them? If they don't care what we, the fans think, it's a bloody funny way of showing it!
People are complaining the board aren't saying anything about the managerial situation, yet when they are given answers as to why the board can't or might not be saying anything, they simply choose to ignore or dismiss them? It's been highlighted what happened last time the Chairman came out and made a statement when the fans were restless - it was a PR disaster!
Acko et al - what, exactly, would you like the owners to say that would make you happy? And if you reply with "they should say we're going to sack Mr Dickov tomorrow" you obviously have no idea about how a football club is and/or should be run, and there's probably no point in discussing this further with you.
In all fairness, unless you support that club you arent going to have a clue if that happens. It could be happening at somewhere like Luton for all we know.
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some of us do have a good understanding what goes off at other clubs, after all we speak with them on a daily basis.
I can assure that no more than a handful, if that, of clubs provide access and engage the way ours does.
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Do you think he needs to board to tell him that the results aren't great? That just puts added pressure on. I said last month we should give him till January then assess the situation and I still think that.
January 1st or January 31st? I only ask cos you see the longer 'we' procrastinate, the further we sink & the more we end up 'panic buying' the next incumbent. Then there's the small matter of January's transfer window, are you really wanting to hand that possible window of opportunity to PD?
I know it's the season of goodwill & all that, but come on, as Roberto Duran once said, "No Mas".
Yeah. Cos he did a shite job in the last January transfer window didn't he?
Well, the players he brought in didn't keep us up so hardly a success!
From mid-January, after making several signings, we went on a 14 match run of near-play off form (22 points from 14 games).
The fact that we didn't stay up was nothing to do with Dickov's ability in the transfer market (or the club's supposed failure to back him).
The board backed him financially, he brought the players in to keep us up, we were relegated. Where are we nearly 12 months on? Improving? I think not, but my real fear is that we stick with the status quo, for whatever reasons, which would IMO see the club stagnate. I don't want that, you don't want that & despite some rants on here that suggest the board wouldn't be bothered if we ended up in Lg 2, I can't believe they do nor do I believe they don't want the club to progress. So you're the man with all the stats BST, you tell me where those stats are leading us, please.
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Acko or NED please enlighten me who are "THEY" ?
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if i called them they its the board and owners in my referral