What it must be like to be rich and have choices?

[SydneyRover]

The National Living Wage is an obligatory minimum wage payable to workers in the United Kingdom to be phased by 2020.

As of April 2019 it is £8.21 per hour for those aged 25 and over. (reduced if you're younger cos you eat less?) Around 17k, (approx 4.5x less than those on 80k)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Living_Wage

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/lowandhighpayuk/2019

I'm not suggesting that everyone should be on 80k or that anyone here is on that amount but comments on TV show that some do not appear to have any grasp how well off they are compared to the not-haves.

[bpoolrover]

If people are on benefits and get a pay raise to 10 pound a hour they will be no better off, when the tories increase tax allowance people are no better off either if on benefits as you have a certain amount you have to live off, once over that they pretty much take it pound for pound so what is your plan to combat that, if you make the allowance that you can live off more there is a fair chance that if you don’t work or work a few hours you will earn more than someone in work

[bpoolrover]

It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it

[bpoolrover]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/15/tory-labour-minimum-wage-proposals-institute-fiscal-studies-poverty

[SydneyRover]

It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it

This reply is better than your first bp and you can do something, something that won't cost you anything by promoting and voting for politicians that want to help.

There's a clear choice if you do want to help in redistributing the wealth of the nation in a fairer way, many posts by others show what is required.

[bpoolrover]

It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it

This reply is better than your first bp and you can do something, something that won't cost you anything by promoting and voting for politicians that want to help.

There's a clear choice if you do want to help in redistributing the wealth of the nation in a fairer way, many posts by others show what is required.










 How are they going to help the worse off?

[SydneyRover]

Wrong, it's how are you going to help, but you make pretty obvious you don't want to.

[bpoolrover]

Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

[bpoolrover]

The ifs say with the minimum wage increase less than 1 in 5 of the poorest households will benefit

[SydneyRover]

Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Wrong again, the Tories on recent history have shown they'll help themselves, tax cut for the already rich, Austerity to facilite the dismantling of the welfare state, it's in their DNA.

[bpoolrover]

What are labour going to do forget the tories?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Bpool.

It's about how we manage benefits AND wages for the very lowest paid. The reason we have had an explosion in food banks is that there are many more people working for wages which are simply not enough to live on, and the benefits safety net has been gradually withdrawn.

No party is going to fix that overnight. But different parties in power send the country off in different directions.

The state of our current society, the good and the bad, in many ways comes from decisions made a generation ago.

We decided in the late 1970s to have a society in which there was less control over what the very richest earn, and less of a safety net for the very poorest. That change didn't happen overnight, but it's the direction we've been travelling in for a generation now. And that's why the proportion of the national cake that the richest 1% takes is now 50% greater than it was in 1975. And it's why 1.6million people (many of them working) have to use food banks.

That change didn't happen overnight. It took 40 years. It will take 40 years to fix it, if we start right away. Or, alternatively, think where the country will be if we keep the same path for the next 40 years.

The question now is, are you happy with that. Do you want to live in a country run by a Govt that does or does not prioritise changing that over the next generation?

[Sprotyrover]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

Go back to watching Benefit Street and let the grown ups talk about this.

[Herbert Anchovy]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

[bpoolrover]

Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Bpool.

It's about how we manage benefits AND wages for the very lowest paid. The reason we have had an explosion in food banks is that there are many more people working for wages which are simply not enough to live on, and the benefits safety net has been gradually withdrawn.

No party is going to fix that overnight. But different parties in power send the country off in different directions.

The state of our current society, the good and the bad, in many ways comes from decisions made a generation ago.

We decided in the late 1970s to have a society in which there was less control over what the very richest earn, and less of a safety net for the very poorest. That change didn't happen overnight, but it's the direction we've been travelling in for a generation now. And that's why the proportion of the national cake that the richest 1% takes is now 50% greater than it was in 1975. And it's why 1.6million people (many of them working) have to use food banks.

That change didn't happen overnight. It took 40 years. It will take 40 years to fix it, if we start right away. Or, alternatively, think where the country will be if we keep the same path for the next 40 years.

The question now is, are you happy with that. Do you want to live in a country run by a Govt that does or does not prioritise changing that over the next generation?

bst at the minute labour have not said they will make it any better for the worse off, how have labour said they will change it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

They've said pages and pages about it here.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/

[wilts rover]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Is that the voice of someone who has never worked in their life but lives off the money generated by a series of investment funds based in tax havens who exploit the cost of property whilst supplying arms shipments and over-priced drugs to the world?

Or just someone who supports them?

Conned. You have been.

[Sprotyrover]

What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?

My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

[bpoolrover]

Bpool.

They've said pages and pages about it here.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/ none of that will help the worst off thou as I keep saying it will help people that are not on any benefits, every bit of money that you get over what the minimum is your allowed to live on gets taken off you so no it doesn’t solve anything the same people will be using food banks

[bpoolrover]

And if you raise the amount you can earn then unemployment will go up massively

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/#4

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way. Over the next 3 weeks, you're going to hear the Tories relentlessly saying that Labour's spending plans are reckless and will destroy the economy.

They are relying on you not knowing the facts. Because if you know the facts, you know that argument is utter b*llocks.

https://t.co/sKeIVe4TCG?amp=1

[wilts rover]

bst at the minute labour have not said they will make it any better for the worse off, how have labour said they will change it?

It isn't one thing bkpool it is a whole series of 'cradle to the grave' measures.

Surestart centres giving health and education assistants to new young familes, better funding for schools, teachers and colleges; recruitment for NHS & Brit Drug Company to produce cheaper drugs to keep costs down; Build it Britain programme to create more manufacturing jobs - linking these in with Green New Deal plan; training for school leavers & end of tuition fees for uni students; big increase investment & training in construction so as to create workforce to build massive increase in affordable houses; National Investment Bank to fund entrepeneurs; workers on boards to ensure fairer governance & involvement; free dental checks; nationalisation of utilities to end rip of prices, etc

Labour's plan is to end poverty by changing society

[bpoolrover]

That’s all well and good wilts and thanks for reply, but people need help now! What is being done to stop the food banks ect. That is both Tory and labour, none of what you wrote will help the poorest people

[bpoolrover]

Bpool.
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/#4it does not state how much it would cost to scrap universal credit the ifs seem to think it will cost billions to start a new benefit system from scratch, again they set a higher living wage that means many people will just give up work as they will be better off on benefits,you say Labour’s plans are not reckless at the minute the ifs say the figures don’t add up would you agree?

[bpoolrover]

The free dentist checks is pointless as well, if your on a low wage and child tax you get free dentist anyway, if you don’t get free dentist it’s not the checks that cost a lot of money it’s the work on your teeth, what good is going to the dentist them telling you that you need 500 quid work done and you still don’t have the money to pay for it, if you work part time and get 80 pound housing benefit and 40 pound tax credits to make that person better off you would need to increase there money by over 100 pound a week, how would any government do that?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Wages are an interesting subject. Surely you have to pay people well to do jobs that others cannot do? Hence there will always be a gap?  If the minimum goes up then it follows others will and then inflation etc with it?

[wilts rover]

The free dental checks are so that dentists can spot problems earlier before they cost £500.

As for what help is being given to the poorest people now - the best and most useful help that can be given to them is by getting rid of the harsh and uncaring government that put them into that poverty.

[Sprotyrover]

The free dental checks are so that dentists can spot problems earlier before they cost £500.

As for what help is being given to the poorest people now - the best and most useful help that can be given to them is by getting rid of the harsh and uncaring government that put them into that poverty.

We had a Labour Government for 13 years not so long since what did they do other than piddle money up the wall,and raid pension funds ,and sell off the Countries gold for a pitance!