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tyke1962

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Re: England/World Cup
« Reply #60 on November 25, 2022, 08:57:57 pm by tyke1962 »
Feck off Southgate you fraud and the rest of your spineless team .

Joke of a nation .



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Re: England/World Cup
« Reply #61 on November 25, 2022, 09:08:42 pm by Chris Black come back »
Not great but clean sheet and we are basically now through, to play one of three fairly average teams in next round. It's really not a disaster.

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« Reply #62 on November 25, 2022, 09:16:31 pm by Campsall rover »
Why Foden didn’t come on for Mount is a total mystery.

Has he upset Southgate. We have a prodigious talent who hasn’t kicked a ball yet.
If he was BrazilIan, French or Spanish he would be starting games never mind coming on as sub.
Southgate is only interested in not conceding. He was not happy winning 6-2 on Monday.
Too negative. Our strength is our attacking players so we should play to our strengths.
What are we going to do against the top teams?  Bit concerned now. On Monday I thought we might have a team that’s going to go all the way..

Southgate you have the players that could win the World Cup. Don’t blow this opportunity and go out by being too cautious.
He who dares WINS.

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« Reply #63 on November 25, 2022, 09:21:03 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
That was cack, but it's job done as far as qualification is concerned. I think the only way England fail to qualify is if they lose to Wales by 4 goals or more.

Not pretty, but being pretty in the group stage never won anyone a World Cup.

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« Reply #64 on November 25, 2022, 09:31:25 pm by Campsall rover »
That was cack, but it's job done as far as qualification is concerned. I think the only way England fail to qualify is if they lose to Wales by 4 goals or more.

Not pretty, but being pretty in the group stage never won anyone a World Cup.
No one is asking us to be pretty, but if we play like that against the top teams we will get beaten.
USA should have won that game.




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« Reply #65 on November 25, 2022, 09:34:49 pm by scawsby steve »
If the USA had some real threat up front, they'd have been on 6 points now. They're a very young side, and technically excellent, but they've no finishers in the team, and that might cost them from qualifying.

Iran v USA will be a close affair, but I think England will pump Wales.

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« Reply #66 on November 25, 2022, 09:38:04 pm by Alan Southstand »
Had an opportunity to make other teams take note and, unfortunately typical for GS, he reverted to type - so negative! 2 hours I won’t get back.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2022, 10:06:04 pm by Alan Southstand »

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #67 on November 25, 2022, 10:03:28 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
That was cack, but it's job done as far as qualification is concerned. I think the only way England fail to qualify is if they lose to Wales by 4 goals or more.

Not pretty, but being pretty in the group stage never won anyone a World Cup.
No one is asking us to be pretty, but if we play like that against the top teams we will get beaten.
USA should have won that game.





Yes of course.

But how long have you been watching tournaments?

How many times have you seen sides stumble through the groups then go deep into the tournament? Or teams blast through their group, then fall apart.

I'm far from saying England will win the tournament, but the game tonight doesn't really mean anything on that score. Other than that it makes it almost guaranteed that England will be in R2.

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« Reply #68 on November 25, 2022, 10:04:29 pm by Branton Red »
No urgency, no attacking intent, no pace on or off the ball.

0-0 was objective achieved.

They knew a draw would be enough given goal difference so were happy to coast

No consideration given when devising their approach to the millions watching back home.

Thing is a win would have guaranteed top spot and allowed the entire first XI to be rested next game - a far better outcome given the heat/match scheduling.

A win would have been eminently achievable as the US are not that great - as Wales showed against them 2nd half when they started playing.

Unfortunately their first thought is avoiding risk, be negative and defensive.

Pretty pathetic and boring as hell.

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« Reply #69 on November 25, 2022, 10:31:09 pm by Padge_DRFC »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

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« Reply #70 on November 25, 2022, 10:53:45 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

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« Reply #71 on November 25, 2022, 10:59:18 pm by Donnyjim »
Brian Clough once said, “football management is easy, you just pick the best players”. S0-0uthgate does not do this and picks his teams NOT TO LOSE. We have some world class players, just play them. It’s not rocket science. It looks like this team is too good for the manager. We may progress, but that’s it with this guy.

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« Reply #72 on November 25, 2022, 11:00:45 pm by SydneyRover »
I can see why GS (if so) went for the safe option, to avoid a lynching if we were bundled out, not much there for any neutrals to get excited about.

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« Reply #73 on November 26, 2022, 06:58:57 am by Sammy Chung was King »
When keifer Moore (born in Torquay), comes out and says he can't wait to beat England, wtf, talk about setting your self up for a fall!!!

Reminds you of local Leeds fans, wanting to beat us a few years ago, but yet they were born in the place!.

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« Reply #74 on November 26, 2022, 07:41:29 am by dickos1 »
That was cack, but it's job done as far as qualification is concerned. I think the only way England fail to qualify is if they lose to Wales by 4 goals or more.

Not pretty, but being pretty in the group stage never won anyone a World Cup.

Think it’s 7 we need to lose by isn’t it?

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« Reply #75 on November 26, 2022, 08:15:55 am by Padge_DRFC »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.

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« Reply #76 on November 26, 2022, 08:57:55 am by DRFC_AjA »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

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« Reply #77 on November 26, 2022, 09:22:15 am by ravenrover »
Am I right in thinking Iran a team who lost 6-2 can top the group if they beat US of A?

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« Reply #78 on November 26, 2022, 09:31:11 am by Goole Rover »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.
Same old same old blame the manager why because it’s the easiest reason without having a knowledge of the game. Having been an operations manager for a once nationalised utility I can tell you Padge it’s the most difficult job I’ve ever had. Southgates’s record speaks for its self as previously quoted. Look out Danny you will be next.


tyke1962

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« Reply #79 on November 26, 2022, 09:34:21 am by tyke1962 »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

It's the same manager whose had ONE  stand out result in tournament football against the Germans at last year's Euros and even that was on home soil .

He blew the semi against Croatia and he blew the Euro Final with his timid and cautious tactics .

He was totally out thought last night by his US counterpart and didn't have the tactical nous to change anything .

Previous England managers would have given their right arm to have the attacking talent Southgate has at his disposal probably only matched by Brazil at this tournament .

The man is a complete fraud .

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« Reply #80 on November 26, 2022, 09:43:24 am by wilts rover »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

It's the same manager whose had ONE  stand out result in tournament football against the Germans at last year's Euros and even that was on home soil .

He blew the semi against Croatia and he blew the Euro Final with his timid and cautious tactics .

He was totally out thought last night by his US counterpart and didn't have the tactical nous to change anything .

Previous England managers would have given their right arm to have the attacking talent Southgate has at his disposal probably only matched by Brazil at this tournament .

The man is a complete fraud .

Give over. How many of this England squad are even the best players in their own squad never mind in the PL or CL? Grealish hardly ever starts for City and he is one of our most creative players.

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« Reply #81 on November 26, 2022, 09:49:45 am by Filo »
A good manager would have this squad firing on all cylinders, Southgate has them Firing on three cylinders and a misfire on one of the others

dickos1

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« Reply #82 on November 26, 2022, 09:51:00 am by dickos1 »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.

The squad in Russia wasn’t very good,
It had Ali, lingard, Ashley young Delphi, Phil jones, Cahill, welbeck etc etc etc

Getting to a World Cup semi with that squad wad a miracle and certainly wasn’t better than the Croatia squad

dickos1

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« Reply #83 on November 26, 2022, 09:52:25 am by dickos1 »
A good manager would have this squad firing on all cylinders, Southgate has them Firing on three cylinders and a misfire on one of the others

We’ve played two matches, everyone seems to have forgotten the first game now.
No team ever goes through a tournament battering sides and being comfortable winners in every game

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« Reply #84 on November 26, 2022, 09:54:33 am by Padge_DRFC »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.

The squad in Russia wasn’t very good,
It had Ali, lingard, Ashley young Delphi, Phil jones, Cahill, welbeck etc etc etc

Getting to a World Cup semi with that squad wad a miracle and certainly wasn’t better than the Croatia squad


Absolute miracle beating Columbia on penalties and Sweden.

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« Reply #85 on November 26, 2022, 09:54:41 am by NickDRFC »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

It's the same manager whose had ONE  stand out result in tournament football against the Germans at last year's Euros and even that was on home soil .

He blew the semi against Croatia and he blew the Euro Final with his timid and cautious tactics .

He was totally out thought last night by his US counterpart and didn't have the tactical nous to change anything .

Previous England managers would have given their right arm to have the attacking talent Southgate has at his disposal probably only matched by Brazil at this tournament .

The man is a complete fraud .

Give over. How many of this England squad are even the best players in their own squad never mind in the PL or CL? Grealish hardly ever starts for City and he is one of our most creative players.

Previous managers had Rooney, Owen, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard alongside the world class defensive talents of Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell and Terry. There’s a lot of potential in the England ranks but not one of Saka, Foden, Bellingham are at the level of those players, and the central defensive pairing can barely get a game at club level.

It does feel as though this World Cup is probably the end game for Southgate either way but I think people have very short memories about the “achievements” of Eriksson & Capello with the Golden Generation. Southgate’s achievements more than stack up - he got to a World Cup semi with Lingard, Alli & Loftus-Cheek playing!

tyke1962

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« Reply #86 on November 26, 2022, 09:56:25 am by tyke1962 »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

It's the same manager whose had ONE  stand out result in tournament football against the Germans at last year's Euros and even that was on home soil .

He blew the semi against Croatia and he blew the Euro Final with his timid and cautious tactics .

He was totally out thought last night by his US counterpart and didn't have the tactical nous to change anything .

Previous England managers would have given their right arm to have the attacking talent Southgate has at his disposal probably only matched by Brazil at this tournament .

The man is a complete fraud .

Give over. How many of this England squad are even the best players in their own squad never mind in the PL or CL? Grealish hardly ever starts for City and he is one of our most creative players.

Two different things club football and international games with squad rotation .

Grealish is good enough for the best manager in the world to sign him and Richarlison doesn't start often for Spurs but scores regularly for Brazil .

Southgate worries way too much about the opposition instead of picking and setting his teams up for the opposition to worry about us .


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Re: England/World Cup
« Reply #87 on November 26, 2022, 10:01:57 am by dickos1 »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.

The squad in Russia wasn’t very good,
It had Ali, lingard, Ashley young Delphi, Phil jones, Cahill, welbeck etc etc etc

Getting to a World Cup semi with that squad wad a miracle and certainly wasn’t better than the Croatia squad


Absolute miracle beating Columbia on penalties and Sweden.

Got to a world cUp semi and a euros final and the only argument people have is about how bad the opposition was.
The opposition were no worse than the sides that have knocked us out before and no different to all the World Cup winners have played to win the trophy
Just because it’s England people woukd rather look for excuses as to why they did well rather than embracing the success

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« Reply #88 on November 26, 2022, 10:04:55 am by Padge_DRFC »
Come on now this is the same manager who got us to the Euro final and WC Semi. No team plays every game perfectly.....rather slowly build up than go all out in the group....it's still a possibility let's be positive  :scarf: :boxing:

It's the same manager whose had ONE  stand out result in tournament football against the Germans at last year's Euros and even that was on home soil .

He blew the semi against Croatia and he blew the Euro Final with his timid and cautious tactics .

He was totally out thought last night by his US counterpart and didn't have the tactical nous to change anything .

Previous England managers would have given their right arm to have the attacking talent Southgate has at his disposal probably only matched by Brazil at this tournament .

The man is a complete fraud .

Give over. How many of this England squad are even the best players in their own squad never mind in the PL or CL? Grealish hardly ever starts for City and he is one of our most creative players.

You've picked out one player there who plays for probably the best team in the world at the minute.

Going from the back players who are the best for their club or one of the best.

Pickford
Trippier
Shaw
Rice
Bellingham
Saka
Kane

7 of the starting 11.

This whole he got us to a final rubbish. So he should with these players v other nations.
We beat Tunisia Panama Columbia and Sweden at the world cup. Then lost twice to Belgium and Croatia in the semis.

Look forward to seeing him in charge of a massive premiership club when he leaves England you guys.

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« Reply #89 on November 26, 2022, 10:05:53 am by Padge_DRFC »
Southgate wouldn't get a job in the premier League. Fraud of a manager. Speaks well though about none football matters so to ticks that box

That'll be the manager that's got England to a final and a semi in the past 4 years. When the previous record was 2 semis in 52 years?

Is that the box ticking manager we are talking about?

Knew this would be posted. This England squad is the best in the world IMO. Especially up top. It's being completely wasted. A decent manager beats Italy and Croatia.

The squad in Russia wasn’t very good,
It had Ali, lingard, Ashley young Delphi, Phil jones, Cahill, welbeck etc etc etc

Getting to a World Cup semi with that squad wad a miracle and certainly wasn’t better than the Croatia squad


Absolute miracle beating Columbia on penalties and Sweden.

Got to a world cUp semi and a euros final and the only argument people have is about how bad the opposition was.
The opposition were no worse than the sides that have knocked us out before and no different to all the World Cup winners have played to win the trophy
Just because it’s England people woukd rather look for excuses as to why they did well rather than embracing the success

You're letting it think that Southgate is a good manager. Literally doesn't have a clue how to change things mid game when we're off it.

 

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