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Imagine 28 houses on a street. They all bought expensive irreplaceable Persian carpets and signed an agreement that if any neighbour went into one of the houses they would take their shoes off.Then one house occupant said I don’t want carpets. I want tiles I can easily clean. The rest said OK, do what you want, but you still have to take your shoes off if you come into one of our houses.Sounds reasonable to me.
Glynn, tariffs are levied by the country receiving the goods and paid by the exporter, seeing as we import more goods than we export as you constantly point out to anyone who will listen to the EU there is a large difference between what we will have to pay to the EU and what we will receive from them, which is a much larger amount more than equal to all the farm subsidies we receive from the EU according to one report I read. Add on the fee they will have to pay for access to fish in our waters. I too think there will be an agreement.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on December 12, 2020, 09:32:41 amImagine 28 houses on a street. They all bought expensive irreplaceable Persian carpets and signed an agreement that if any neighbour went into one of the houses they would take their shoes offThen one house occupant said I don’t want carpets. I want tiles I can easily clean. The rest said OK, do what you want, but you still have to take your shoes off if you come into one of our houses.Sounds reasonable to me.They could compromise and let him wear slippers that have only been worn indoors
Imagine 28 houses on a street. They all bought expensive irreplaceable Persian carpets and signed an agreement that if any neighbour went into one of the houses they would take their shoes offThen one house occupant said I don’t want carpets. I want tiles I can easily clean. The rest said OK, do what you want, but you still have to take your shoes off if you come into one of our houses.Sounds reasonable to me.
Then he can sign the 'oven-ready' deal that got him elected instead. Or do union reps normally get elected on false promises too?
When one side will only agree to the impossible do you still maintain it takes two to reach an agreement?
Looks like Johnson is a great negotiator and knows how to put there foriners in their place.... https://twitter.com/paulburston/status/1337313829978509312?s=12
Ah, the same bloke who said Gordon Brown was also unfit to be PM. I wonder if he was always right, or just when it suited an agenda!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 12, 2020, 02:40:23 pmAh, the same bloke who said Gordon Brown was also unfit to be PM. I wonder if he was always right, or just when it suited an agenda!Accepted. But he said that about Brown (someone he'd never worked closely with) in the heat of an election campaign in 2010 when he was passionately supporting the Tories. There is bound to be a partisan influence there. His comments about Johnson were made about someone who he had had as an employee. He said Johnson was manically disorganised about everything but his own career. He said he wouldn't trust Johnson with his wife or (from bitter experience) with his wallet. He said people didn't understand the level of sheer nastiness in Johnson's personality.
Tyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.
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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.
I get the feeling there will be a deal, we are just watching the theatrics playing out now