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Boomstick.Ok. So I assume that you WOULD be prepared to live naked in a cave and eat grass in order to take back control. Glad we've got that sorted. That puts you into a tiny, fanatical minority. Me?No, I don't want us to accept the Euro. Or have an EU army. Neither of those things are going to be imposed on us, so they are hypothetical, but I e answered them anyway. I'm happy to cede a certain amount of legislative control because of the benefits we get. Immigration. We need immigration. My wife is an immigrant's daughter. My mother is an immigrant's granddaughter. I assume you have a similar background. I'm not sure what you mean by "millions and millions" so that's a bit of a pointless question. 1? Yes. 100? No. And we can currently control levels if we choose to.NHS and services? That's a UK Govt decision. It's well established that immigration makes us wealthier. If this Govt chooses not to use that wealth to properly fund services, that's our problem, not one caused by the EU.There you go. That's how you answer questions. Shame you won't join in but there you go.
Quote from: scawsby steve on April 04, 2019, 09:41:55 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 04, 2019, 09:15:34 pmI bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!We all know who the leader is though BB; the one whose every word they hang on to. 6,063,705 signatures
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 04, 2019, 09:15:34 pmI bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!We all know who the leader is though BB; the one whose every word they hang on to.
I bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!
Steve, if we are poore as a country prescribed drugs will be hit.
Quote from: idler on April 05, 2019, 03:44:46 pmSteve, if we are poore as a country prescribed drugs will be hit.If you believe the doom and gloom merchants on here Idler, but I don't. Come on mate, you're a similar age to me. When we were kids, we were on rations, but we got by.This country went through 2 World Wars, and still managed to put food on the table. Does anybody honestly think we're all going to starve because of a bunch of w*nkers each side of the Channel?
TRBRemaining in the CU and very close alignment with the SM has been Labour party policy for 2 years. The door was open at any point in that time for May to reach out. Complaining about both sides in Parliament doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
TRB1) Nearly half the MPs voted for the sort of arrangement you're saying you want. Plus, presumably you accept that some have different opinions to you. Isn't it a bit OTT to scream that they are all venal and corrupt?2) it's deeply depressing that you, one of the most intelligent people in here, are repeating this nonsense about us being forced into the Euro or a European army. If either of those things were forced on us, I too would want us to leave. But they are not, and there is no prospect of them being. Basing opinion of the EU now on a hypothetical and unrealistic future EU is irrational, and God knows we need more rationality these days.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 05, 2019, 12:10:53 amSydney. I fully understand your policy of posting selected links in your attempt to convince others that they are wrong, but I can guarantee as a fact, not just an opinion that it is you that's wrong this time. I didn't vote to leave, I voted to remain. The fact that I believe in democracy and accept a democratic vote, whereas you obviously don't, is the main gist of why I think your opinions are fundamentally flawed. Did you see Question Time tonight?No I missed QT. I understand that you voted to stay but everyone understands that the leave vote was a narrow victory in a fairly low turn-out (no compulsory voting = low turn-out)The main point of contention of those that voted to remain in Europe, apart from the majority of experts in many fields telling us we would be better off in, and the huge positive for all that there has been no war within the EU and it's unlikely that an outside country would want to take that option because we consist of 28 United countries is that ........ (deep breath) ................. there has been a concerted effort to poison the well, to stir up trouble within the UK to get people to vote leave, This is an undeniable fact and most reasonable people would/could see that it played a large part in getting the No vote up. Do you agree with this or not?If you do agree then the next step logical would be to support those that want the country to have a legitimate vote where everyone fully understands what they are voting for and what is at stake.If you don't agree it would be good for you to explain to me and the forum, (not that you have to of course as I stated in an earlier post most leavers faced with direct questions ignore them or change the subject) in common sense terms why not. This is an open question to anyone on the forum leave or not.PS: I put up posts relevant to the subject in hand mostly on topic from credible sources and yes helpful in supporting my arguments. I don't really have time to read partisan articles from sources that have a history of being bias, inaccurate, just plain wrong or have engaged in illegal activities. Why would anyone want to read them anyway?
Sydney. I fully understand your policy of posting selected links in your attempt to convince others that they are wrong, but I can guarantee as a fact, not just an opinion that it is you that's wrong this time. I didn't vote to leave, I voted to remain. The fact that I believe in democracy and accept a democratic vote, whereas you obviously don't, is the main gist of why I think your opinions are fundamentally flawed. Did you see Question Time tonight?
Whether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars.
Quote from: The Red Baron on April 05, 2019, 07:26:35 pmWhether you're a Remainer or Leaver, I hope none of you will ever again vote for any member of this appalling Parliament. They are the most venal, corrupt bunch of politicians we have ever had to suffer. I'm not being partisan - for me the ERG are as bad as the likes of Soubry and Grieve who stood for election on a pledge to honour the referendum results, and have then spent every waking hour trying to overturn it. Personally I favour something along the lines of Common Market 2.0. I'm relaxed about being in the Single Market and a Customs Union. So long as we're out of the "political" EU we can't be forced into the Euro or an EU Army. So I'm a Soft Brexit man, but I think the behaviour of MPs, with their posturing and grandstanding has been appalling.The crowning thing for me was that the appalling Cooper Bill was passed by the vote of an MP who has just been released from prison for Perverting the course of justice, and is wearing an electronic tag. This is a Parliament of crooks. I'd love to put them all behind bars. I have a wide group of friends who vote tories and labour and the majority say they will vote if a second referendum but will never vote in a general election again, they might not keep to that but it seems many people feel the same
''Prominent Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg suggested the UK should retaliate to any long extension by using its continued membership to block moves towards closer EU integration.“If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible,” he said.
TRBGod knows I've no axe to grind for the SNP but they voted FOR CM2.0
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 10:17:43 pmTRBGod knows I've no axe to grind for the SNP but they voted FOR CM2.0I stand corrected. Anyway, shit will get real next week when the French veto our request for another extension. At least it will concentrate minds. No Deal or Revoke.