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It depends if you play by the EU rules or not, When Russia invaded the Ukraine in 2014 the EU put a ban on all arms sales to Russia. In that time line over £300 million pounds worth of arms were exported to Russia by EU member countries, France being by far the worst offender with £233.7 million pounds worth of sales and Austria that good old neutral country well up there in sales of arms. You will be pleased to know that the UK over that time period had a sales figure of £0, zilch, nothing. So a big Brexit Dividend is parting company with cheating two faced countries that cheat and do what they want when they want. As an aside I cannot for the life of me understand what Russia would want French equipment for, they have not won a war for hundreds of years, although I suppose they could be running shoes I guess.
Quote from: selby on March 30, 2022, 08:10:28 am It depends if you play by the EU rules or not, When Russia invaded the Ukraine in 2014 the EU put a ban on all arms sales to Russia. In that time line over £300 million pounds worth of arms were exported to Russia by EU member countries, France being by far the worst offender with £233.7 million pounds worth of sales and Austria that good old neutral country well up there in sales of arms. You will be pleased to know that the UK over that time period had a sales figure of £0, zilch, nothing. So a big Brexit Dividend is parting company with cheating two faced countries that cheat and do what they want when they want. As an aside I cannot for the life of me understand what Russia would want French equipment for, they have not won a war for hundreds of years, although I suppose they could be running shoes I guess. You got a link for this?
BFYPYou can't have it both ways. You were saying that we can't allow people to occupy kleptocrats' homes because...law.Now you're posting a link that says explicitly that France didn't break an arms embargo. The embargo allowed the completion of contracts signed before 1 August 2014.Now, I'm not approving selling military equipment to Russia in any circumstances. But there's some consistency needed here. Personally, I'd like to see robust Govt action across the board on dealing with Russia, but if you accept legal inertia in one area, it seems strange to highlight it in another. Also, I wonder if Selby could tell us how much the UK delivered to Russia after 2014, on contracts signed before August 2014?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 30, 2022, 09:21:25 amQuote from: selby on March 30, 2022, 08:10:28 am It depends if you play by the EU rules or not, When Russia invaded the Ukraine in 2014 the EU put a ban on all arms sales to Russia. In that time line over £300 million pounds worth of arms were exported to Russia by EU member countries, France being by far the worst offender with £233.7 million pounds worth of sales and Austria that good old neutral country well up there in sales of arms. You will be pleased to know that the UK over that time period had a sales figure of £0, zilch, nothing. So a big Brexit Dividend is parting company with cheating two faced countries that cheat and do what they want when they want. As an aside I cannot for the life of me understand what Russia would want French equipment for, they have not won a war for hundreds of years, although I suppose they could be running shoes I guess. You got a link for this?https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20220315-ministry-stresses-that-french-arms-sales-to-russia-not-in-violation-of-eu-sanctionsLoads of others online and France don't deny it either.
Quote from: tyke1962 on March 27, 2022, 10:37:21 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 27, 2022, 10:24:07 pmChrist Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war. You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .I can see why you and your circle were seen as such an easy mark.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 27, 2022, 10:24:07 pmChrist Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war. You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .
Christ Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war. You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 27, 2022, 10:42:22 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on March 27, 2022, 10:37:21 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 27, 2022, 10:24:07 pmChrist Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war. You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .I can see why you and your circle were seen as such an easy mark.And yet Syd your the biggest leaver of us all .10k miles worth .
Quote from: tyke1962 on April 01, 2022, 09:32:15 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on March 27, 2022, 10:42:22 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on March 27, 2022, 10:37:21 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 27, 2022, 10:24:07 pmChrist Tyke you don't half go off axis when you are put on the spot.Stop prattling on. Face up to the fact that you and your "we'll show you" mates have reduced our exports by the amount you'd expect from a very big recession or a small war. You've done that. Out of choice. That will make all of us poorer for years to come.Don't give me your b*llocks about caring for the low paid. Who do you think is going to suffer most from this?Billy I said the country is completely fecked up .... Pay attention .I'm telling you what the feeling is from the circle I'm in .They dislike people such as yourself more than they do the Tories in enough numbers to make the difference .That's the circle you've got to square , as I say it's fecked up but that's where we are .It's not a dig at you it's where we are pal .I can see why you and your circle were seen as such an easy mark.And yet Syd your the biggest leaver of us all .10k miles worth .Syd has the freedom of a couple of passports tyke, he hasn't forgotten friends and family where ever they live
warning warning yet another major diversion ................''Boris Johnson will try to reboot his government tomorrow with a series of post-Brexit reforms designed to boost the economy and reunite the coalition of voters who brought him to power three years ago.In his last chance to implement significant legislative reform before the next election, Johnson will announce measures designed to capitalise on Britain’s departure from the European Union, update the planning system and improve standards in schools.He will detail plans to remove hundreds of pieces of EU law from the statute book, cut regulations for small businesses and remove environmental restrictions that can delay or prevent infrastructure projects.The Treasury will outline proposals to open up more than £10 billion of UK investment through a post-Brexit overhaul of the insurance industry. It will allow insurance companies to invest in long-term growth projects such as renewable energy, which are banned under EU rules brought in after the 2008 financial crisis''
warning warning yet another major diversion ................''Boris Johnson will try to reboot his government tomorrow with a series of post-Brexit reforms designed to boost the economy and reunite the coalition of voters who brought him to power three years ago.In his last chance to implement significant legislative reform before the next election, Johnson will announce measures designed to capitalise on Britain’s departure from the European Union, update the planning system and improve standards in schools.He will detail plans to remove hundreds of pieces of EU law from the statute book, cut regulations for small businesses and remove environmental restrictions that can delay or prevent infrastructure projects.The Treasury will outline proposals to open up more than £10 billion of UK investment through a post-Brexit overhaul of the insurance industry. It will allow insurance companies to invest in long-term growth projects such as renewable energy, which are banned under EU rules brought in after the 2008 financial crisis''the timeswill any of this reduce gas prices, reduce inflation or improve wages? or in fact recover any of the losses to the UK economy from breshit .............
Which all suggests...another COVID fine is in the post.