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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnyfan2 on April 18, 2022, 04:16:26 pm
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Mcsheffrey out now, enough is enough, this is embarrasing.
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Baldwin are you looking now !!!!
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Come on start the recruitment process now so we can appoint someone in time for the January transfer window.
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You're all wrong.
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You're all wrong.
explain...
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If we decide to change manager, we need, with the track record we have, to start the process now. It takes the Rovers 4-6 weeks or more to appoint one. So if they decide to change we need to change and start the process as soon as possible
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Totally agree or he will inflict more embarrassment next season in L2
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He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
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He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
I like a manager that doesn’t have us 3-0 down at half time
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You're all wrong.
why? Explain
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He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
that’s just a 1 off, but agree we will be stuck with this clueless manager next season
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
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He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
I like a manager that doesn’t have us 3-0 down at half time
I like a manager that has us 3-0 up at half time and doesn’t chuck it away with a 4-3 defeat
COYR
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He has just turned a 3-0 half time deficit around, made tactical changes and personnel and shape of the team and I think you are in for a long summer, he will be here next season.
Turning that 3 nil half time deficit is papering over cracks. We had to go for it and they were on the beach. His tactic and in game management have been woeful since he’s been in charge. I don’t think you’re right about the long summer. It will be a long winter too with him still here, copps as HOF and analysts from scunny.
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Dusts off tin helmet and slips it on.
I think Rovers desperately need a period of stability, there have been far too many managerial changes of late.
Despite relegation i would back GM in League 2 next season. He's new to this role, there have been some improvements. Let him recruit again over the summer, properly give him the opportunity to build his own squad and then see how we get on.
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
think he is taking the pizza.
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Change managers now and we will have the same first half of the season as we have this season.
There are many teams in lge two with settled established managers. Teams that have gelled together with established defence midfield and attacks.
I don’t think we can afford to mix it up again this close to a new season starting.
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Pretty much the only arguments for keeping in him role is that he was handed such a massive pile of shit to shovel that it is almost impossible to see whether he is good, bad or indifferent, and that him leaving now would mean yet another summer of disruption and upheaval.
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Pretty much the only arguments for keeping in him role is that he was handed such a massive pile of shit to shovel that it is almost impossible to see whether he is good, bad or indifferent, and that him leaving now would mean yet another summer of disruption and upheaval.
This is where I'm at. Would've hoped that he could have shown a bit more in his more than half a season in charge though.
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It's a habit, always blame the manager always. Change. Change. Change. We'll end up like Watford and not in a good way.
We're not Italian.
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Dusts off tin helmet and slips it on.
I think Rovers desperately need a period of stability, there have been far too many managerial changes of late.
Despite relegation i would back GM in League 2 next season. He's new to this role, there have been some improvements. Let him recruit again over the summer, properly give him the opportunity to build his own squad and then see how we get on.
crazy if we keep him
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
Look at this forum after Ferguson got us relegated and there will be the same folk back then demanding the manager be sacked
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River Don not saying it’s good but changing the manager statistically works for Watford as they have stayed in the premiership for 7 out of 10 seasons
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Dusts off tin helmet and slips it on.
I think Rovers desperately need a period of stability, there have been far too many managerial changes of late.
Despite relegation i would back GM in League 2 next season. He's new to this role, there have been some improvements. Let him recruit again over the summer, properly give him the opportunity to build his own squad and then see how we get on.
Yep, I agree too.
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You're all wrong.
explain...
There's a long answer and a short answer.
Short answer is that it takes time to build a football team. It doesn't happen in half a season. It takes time, and money. (A whole lot of spending money).
Its like putting together a jigsaw. You pick pieces up and try to make them fit and put them back down, try some others. You don't get it right first time.
GM's a raw coach. Of course he's going to make mistakes. But he'll learn from them.
There was a whole lot of damage done by McCann and Moore. There ain't no magic wand.
For the long answer you'll have to come over for a few beers. (everyone's welcome btw :))
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
Look at this forum after Ferguson got us relegated and there will be the same folk back then demanding the manager be sacked
Bloody hell, Dickos, are you comparing GM with Fergie, who's got umpteen promotions on his CV?
Also, look at Fergie's recruitment for League 2; Marquis, Houghton, Mason, Rowe. Can you seriously see GM attracting players of that calibre for next season?
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River Don not saying it’s good but changing the manager statistically works for Watford as they have stayed in the premiership for 7 out of 10 seasons
Conversely there is the example of Burnley, who have just commited self harm.
This is a personal thing but I think there is more satisfaction to be gained in watching a manager grow and develop a team over time. Rovers had it with Penney and then SOD and I prefer it that way.
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Listening to GMC latest interview after todays game he not going to get sacked and had reassurance he will be here next season. He knows the players he wants and what is required to bounce back. Let’s hope the hierarchy know what is required financially to get the players we need and if they are keeping GMC then back him. He’s the guy who taking all the questions yet it appears the back room staff was not good enough. That is being address now but will this impinge on the finances for players.
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I dont think he should be in a position to know whether he's in a safe position for next year.
With his performance since taking over, he should be looking over his shoulder. Its been diar. Not a work in progress.
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
Look at this forum after Ferguson got us relegated and there will be the same folk back then demanding the manager be sacked
Bloody hell, Dickos, are you comparing GM with Fergie, who's got umpteen promotions on his CV?
Also, look at Fergie's recruitment for League 2; Marquis, Houghton, Mason, Rowe. Can you seriously see GM attracting players of that calibre for next season?
I’m not comparing their historical records no
I’m stating this forum said ferguson had no chance of getting us promoted out of league 2
The forum was wrong
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
Look at this forum after Ferguson got us relegated and there will be the same folk back then demanding the manager be sacked
Bloody hell, Dickos, are you comparing GM with Fergie, who's got umpteen promotions on his CV?
Also, look at Fergie's recruitment for League 2; Marquis, Houghton, Mason, Rowe. Can you seriously see GM attracting players of that calibre for next season?
I’m not comparing their historical records no
I’m stating this forum said ferguson had no chance of getting us promoted out of league 2
The forum was wrong
I can't remember many people on here saying that. I certainly didn't.
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River Don not saying it’s good but changing the manager statistically works for Watford as they have stayed in the premiership for 7 out of 10 seasons
Conversely there is the example of Burnley, who have just commited self harm.
This is a personal thing but I think there is more satisfaction to be gained in watching a manager grow and develop a team over time. Rovers had it with Penney and then SOD and I prefer it that way.
As an outsider Don, I completely agree with you. It takes time to build a squad and half a season isn’t it. I’m sure GM knows which players can do it and which can’t, maybe even some of those he brought in have disappointed. Starting again with someone who doesn’t know the players means it’ll take until at least January to confirm it and by then it could be too late. I’d let GM do the business over the summer and with his own squad and a full pre season I’d expect Donny to be immediately pushing to come straight back up. Patience isn’t easy and I know it’s hard when you’re losing regularly but at some point you have to give someone a proper chance. Good luck next season whatever happens and I hope you do bounce straight back up.
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Change managers now and we will have the same first half of the season as we have this season.
There are many teams in lge two with settled established managers. Teams that have gelled together with established defence midfield and attacks.
I don’t think we can afford to mix it up again this close to a new season starting.
I'm still somewhat on the fence in terms of GMc's future, however I'm quite certain that numerous teams have appointed a new manager in the summer after a terrible season and seen improvement. I'm surprised by how many people think continuity is the answer, after 18 months of relative continuity leading to abject failure.
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For GMC or any manager to get us back straight away he will need really backing. We had the players last time and we brought in Marquis to add to them. We haven’t got that level of player now.
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We've had this before but it's still relevant. Cue Chris Eccleston, down and out sitting in a gloomy underpass.
It's my belief that history is a wheel. "Inconstancy is my very essence" -says the wheel- "Rise up on my spokes if you like, but don't complain when you are cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it is also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away."
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Straight back up as champions with Gary mc in charge
Exactly what evidence are you basing that on?
Look at this forum after Ferguson got us relegated and there will be the same folk back then demanding the manager be sacked
Bloody hell, Dickos, are you comparing GM with Fergie, who's got umpteen promotions on his CV?
Also, look at Fergie's recruitment for League 2; Marquis, Houghton, Mason, Rowe. Can you seriously see GM attracting players of that calibre for next season?
I’m not comparing their historical records no
I’m stating this forum said ferguson had no chance of getting us promoted out of league 2
The forum was wrong
I can't remember many people on here saying that. I certainly didn't.
Have a look back,
Plenty reckon we would end up in the conference with him in charge
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So it seems that the only real argument for mcsheffrey staying is continuity when based on the last 18 and a bit months continuity is the last thing we need. A complete change and shake up is needed
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Dickos if we don’t sign the right level of player we will be heading for the National league. Our defensive r goals against is awful and weve not scored enough goals. If GMC is to be the manager then let’s hope he gets players at the right level. He’s was honest to say that some players in the right he brought in have worked out others haven’t . But that’s the same since Summer we spread out the money available to get lower level players. So whatever plan the board had it wasn’t the right one. But they are Teflon and it’s the managers and low level players that get the stick.
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I'm disappointed overall. I thought we recruited fairly well in January with a few good signings (Martin, Clayton the standouts).
The squad isn't bad even with some big players out injured and for me did just about have enough to stay up. When you look at it you can't help but think an extra 6pts during the season wouldn't have been so tough.
So in some ways I feel GM has underachieved. However, it is incredibly tough to turn round a failing squad. I remember Grant McCann once saying that in a bad run there's very little as manager he could do to stop that and I really rate McCann.
Going forward it's tough. Change the manager and it'd another protracted recruitment and change. Stick with him and there's question marks as he's so unproven.
Would I change again? I don't know. I tend to think you can't judge a mid season change, we saw that under Ferguson and for me there are other bigger issues to address, fitness and recruitment the two obvious ones.
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Clayton (although a good player) was recruited way too late and imagine was 2nd choice to JJOT. The club, manager and board didn't treat our league position with enough urgency.
I truly believe they all thought we were too good to go down.
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Weird world where a player of Claytons calibre was playing second fiddle to a plodder like O’Toole… Shows what a year out of the game will do, he looks like a shrewd signing now he is up to speed
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Within minutes of our last game I expect him to be thanked for his efforts but shown the door.
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For GMC or any manager to get us back straight away he will need really backing. We had the players last time and we brought in Marquis to add to them. We haven’t got that level of player now.
We signed almost a whole new team when we went down. The board backed Fergie and he put together a top quality side - Rowe and McSheffrey made permanent, then the signings of Blair, Marquis, Houghton, Mason, Baudry and Wright, then in January Alfie May, Conor Grant and Lawlor too.
We need to do this again now - add 7 or 8 quality players throughout the side to build around the few we already have who are any good - Rowe, Anderson, Clayton, Taylor, Griffiths hopefully among them. We only really had Copps, Butler, Keegan and Alcock to work with last time, plus a gem out of the academy in Mandeville.
A big, big ask - it needs commitment in funds from the board and the *right* people in the Head of Football and managerial roles.
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Fergie had a way of playing he knew he was trying to achieve sometimes this was frustrating but at least he had a plan. Not to mention a track record. You can back someone like that. GM from anything we’ve heard doesn’t have a plan and his track record is us relegated as the second worst team in the worst relegation battle in years.
Just because Fergie was kept and we went back up is not a reason for GM to be retained.
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Mrs Toes (not a football fan) met our manager at a function yesterday. She says he's absolutely gorgeous and if she was 20 years younger...etc.
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Mrs Toes (not a football fan) met our manager at a function yesterday. She says he's absolutely gorgeous and if she was 20 years younger...etc.
Is that another season ticket in the Toes household next year then?