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[Herbert Anchovy]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

[drfchound]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

I’m not so sure why he has said that I am afraid of the truth either.

[Filo]

This is what you've given us Leave/Tory voters....
 
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1303307680329740288
 
What a signal to send to any future partners - agreements you made with the us we will aim to get out of less than a year after signing...
 
Hope you're proud of yourselves!

Caveat emptor!

[Herbert Anchovy]

This is what you've given us Leave/Tory voters....
 
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1303307680329740288
 
What a signal to send to any future partners - agreements you made with the us we will aim to get out of less than a year after signing...
 
Hope you're proud of yourselves!

NNK

I’m assuming that you also showed similar outrage when the EU broke the law by breaching it’s own treaties? Or is it only when the pesky Britishers do it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The UK government claims the precedent that parliament is most sovereign was set.  Absolutely crazy trolling from them by using the Gina Miller case, but it may well be true.

Legal or not, it doesn't really matter. It makes them.untrustworthy doesn't it?

[Herbert Anchovy]

The UK government claims the precedent that parliament is most sovereign was set.  Absolutely crazy trolling from them by using the Gina Miller case, but it may well be true.

Legal or not, it doesn't really matter. It makes them.untrustworthy doesn't it?

Yes it does

[selby]

Herbert, the fastest growing economy and powerful country in the World is hardly suffering from the fact they are untrustworthy buddy, or perhaps you would trust them.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it

[wilts rover]

It's all starting to kick-off then.

EU gives Johnson three weeks to change his Bill to break the WA

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks

No way is he going to do that.

Which means there will be a big Tory rebellion in the House of Lords against it:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1304045449385578496

and what will the consequences of that be for the Tory Party? Is he going to kick them all out and split his party?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Agreed Wilts. I’ve no idea how he’s going to manage this. The Lords won’t accept it (many of his own MP’s aren’t either) and will almost certainly push back. Yet again he’s in a terrible mess brought on by his own Governments incompetence.

[MachoMadness]

Howard is an arch Brexiteer as well. Not sure why the law would be a remain/leave argument, but then this is 2020.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it

You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it

You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.

No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks.

It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance.

[DonnyOsmond]

We all knew this was going to be the end result from the day Boris took over. A tiny majority voted for Brexit yet we've got the most extreme outcome as the result. Definitely how you bring a country back together...

[Glyn_Wigley]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it

You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.

No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks.

It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance.

So you agree it was policy and not a treaty. Good. Now we've got past that, how about a genuine example of the EU breaking a treaty?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?

I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it

You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.

No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks.

It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance.

So you agree it was policy and not a treaty. Good. Now we've got past that, how about a genuine example of the EU breaking a treaty?

Smoke and mirrors Glyn. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty that was written and agreed upon by the EU...That they decided shouldn’t apply to France in this instance. But of course you knew that didn’t you.

So, is it ok for the EU to break their own rules/laws by changing elements of their own treaties to suit their needs? Did you shout foul play when they broke this treaty to accommodate French overspend? Or doesn’t it fit your rose tinted view of the EU and you only have a fit when the UK do it?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.

Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.

Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.

Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.

It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either.

Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it?

[Not Now Kato]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

I answered your question earlier in the thread, I then asked you one which you deigned not to answer.  From your lack of an answer I made the reasonable assumption that a) you voted Leave and b) you voted Tory at the last election - correct me if I'm wrong.  It has been show on numerous occasions, both here and elsewhere, that Leavers find it very hard to accept the truth so often simply ignore it when it doesn't fit their chosen agenda.
 
By the way, did you read the article I linked to?

[Not Now Kato]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

I’m not so sure why he has said that I am afraid of the truth either.

Quite simple Hound; you have said on a number of occasions that you choose not to read some articles that are posted on here.
 
Oh, by the way, did you read the article I linked to?

[Herbert Anchovy]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

I answered your question earlier in the thread, I then asked you one which you deigned not to answer.  From your lack of an answer I made the reasonable assumption that a) you voted Leave and b) you voted Tory at the last election - correct me if I'm wrong.  It has been show on numerous occasions, both here and elsewhere, that Leavers find it very hard to accept the truth so often simply ignore it when it doesn't fit their chosen agenda.
 
By the way, did you read the article I linked to?

Sorry NNK - I don't know what question you mean? Please feel free to ask me again. BTW, yes you are wrong. I did vote leave but voted Labour at the election. I guess you're falling into the trap of assuming that all leave voters are rabid right wingers? As I have told you (and others on numerous occasions) before on a previous thread, I am a Socialist and always will be. I did read the article and I agree with a fair bit of it. I would much prefer the UK to leave with a deal. Is that clear?

Now, about the question I've asked you earlier. Do you also criticise the EU when it breaks rules within its own treaties or do you save that for when the UK does it?

[wilts rover]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.

Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.

Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.

It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either.

Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it?

It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.

If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.

[Not Now Kato]

  Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.

I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less.
 
Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK?
 
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf
 
I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either.  Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?

Why are you referring to me NNK?

I answered your question earlier in the thread, I then asked you one which you deigned not to answer.  From your lack of an answer I made the reasonable assumption that a) you voted Leave and b) you voted Tory at the last election - correct me if I'm wrong.  It has been show on numerous occasions, both here and elsewhere, that Leavers find it very hard to accept the truth so often simply ignore it when it doesn't fit their chosen agenda.
 
By the way, did you read the article I linked to?

Sorry NNK - I don't know what question you mean? Please feel free to ask me again. BTW, yes you are wrong. I did vote leave but voted Labour at the election. I guess you're falling into the trap of assuming that all leave voters are rabid right wingers? As I have told you (and others on numerous occasions) before on a previous thread, I am a Socialist and always will be. I did read the article and I agree with a fair bit of it. I would much prefer the UK to leave with a deal. Is that clear?

Now, about the question I've asked you earlier. Do you also criticise the EU when it breaks rules within its own treaties or do you save that for when the UK does it?

Thank you for the clarification Herbert and your post answers the question I asked earlier in the thread.
 
I will always criticise any party which breaks a treaty or an agreement, and I see you referred to the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, of which you will find the consolidated version here....
 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:12012E/TXT
 
From that consolidated treaty here is the relevant section relating to government deficits....
 

(ex Article 104 TEC)

1. Member States shall avoid excessive government deficits.

2. The Commission shall monitor the development of the budgetary situation and of the stock of government debt in the Member States with a view to identifying gross errors. In particular it shall examine compliance with budgetary discipline on the basis of the following two criteria:

(a) whether the ratio of the planned or actual government deficit to gross domestic product exceeds a reference value, unless:

- either the ratio has declined substantially and continuously and reached a level that comes close to the reference value,

- or, alternatively, the excess over the reference value is only exceptional and temporary and the ratio remains close to the reference value;

(b) whether the ratio of government debt to gross domestic product exceeds a reference value, unless the ratio is sufficiently diminishing and approaching the reference value at a satisfactory pace.

The reference values are specified in the Protocol on the excessive deficit procedure annexed to the Treaties.

3. If a Member State does not fulfil the requirements under one or both of these criteria, the Commission shall prepare a report. The report of the Commission shall also take into account whether the government deficit exceeds government investment expenditure and take into account all other relevant factors, including the medium-term economic and budgetary position of the Member State.

The Commission may also prepare a report if, notwithstanding the fulfilment of the requirements under the criteria, it is of the opinion that there is a risk of an excessive deficit in a Member State.

4. The Economic and Financial Committee shall formulate an opinion on the report of the Commission.

5. If the Commission considers that an excessive deficit in a Member State exists or may occur, it shall address an opinion to the Member State concerned and shall inform the Council accordingly.

6. The Council shall, on a proposal from the Commission, and having considered any observations which the Member State concerned may wish to make, decide after an overall assessment whether an excessive deficit exists.

7. Where the Council decides, in accordance with paragraph 6, that an excessive deficit exists, it shall adopt, without undue delay, on a recommendation from the Commission, recommendations addressed to the Member State concerned with a view to bringing that situation to an end within a given period. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 8, these recommendations shall not be made public.

8. Where it establishes that there has been no effective action in response to its recommendations within the period laid down, the Council may make its recommendations public.

9. If a Member State persists in failing to put into practice the recommendations of the Council, the Council may decide to give notice to the Member State to take, within a specified time limit, measures for the deficit reduction which is judged necessary by the Council in order to remedy the situation.

In such a case, the Council may request the Member State concerned to submit reports in accordance with a specific timetable in order to examine the adjustment efforts of that Member State.

10. The rights to bring actions provided for in Articles 258 and 259 may not be exercised within the framework of paragraphs 1 to 9 of this Article.

11. As long as a Member State fails to comply with a decision taken in accordance with paragraph 9, the Council may decide to apply or, as the case may be, intensify one or more of the following measures:

- to require the Member State concerned to publish additional information, to be specified by the Council, before issuing bonds and securities,

- to invite the European Investment Bank to reconsider its lending policy towards the Member State concerned,

- to require the Member State concerned to make a non-interest-bearing deposit of an appropriate size with the Union until the excessive deficit has, in the view of the Council, been corrected,

- to impose fines of an appropriate size.

The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decisions taken.

12. The Council shall abrogate some or all of its decisions or recommendations referred to in paragraphs 6 to 9 and 11 to the extent that the excessive deficit in the Member State concerned has, in the view of the Council, been corrected. If the Council has previously made public recommendations, it shall, as soon as the decision under paragraph 8 has been abrogated, make a public statement that an excessive deficit in the Member State concerned no longer exists.

13. When taking the decisions or recommendations referred to in paragraphs 8, 9, 11 and 12, the Council shall act on a recommendation from the Commission.

When the Council adopts the measures referred to in paragraphs 6 to 9, 11 and 12, it shall act without taking into account the vote of the member of the Council representing the Member State concerned.

A qualified majority of the other members of the Council shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(a).

14. Further provisions relating to the implementation of the procedure described in this Article are set out in the Protocol on the excessive deficit procedure annexed to the Treaties.

The Council shall, acting unanimously in accordance with a special legislative procedure and after consulting the European Parliament and the European Central Bank, adopt the appropriate provisions which shall then replace the said Protocol.

Subject to the other provisions of this paragraph, the Council shall, on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament, lay down detailed rules and definitions for the application of the provisions of the said Protocol.

 
From the above it is quite clear that there is a defined flexibility within the treaty to address any deficiency, (see particularly paragraphs 6 and 7); and, without further reading of the subsequent 'Protocol', it seems to me that the EU acted fully within the scope of the treaty and its powers in relation to France and that the article you refer to was plainly wrong.
 
As such, there does not appear to be any breaking of the treaty.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?

Google can't find any.

In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time.

Here’s a link for you.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/

So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?

Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.

Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.

Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.

It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either.

Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it?

It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.

If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.

Wilts

It is the responsibility of the Council to impose ‘punishment’ on member states that don’t adhere to treaty obligations not the other member states. In the French example it was the Council who made the decision to overlook the overspend. The signatories of the treaty didn’t choose to vary the agreement. There was no ratification of any treaty changes. Quite simply the Council made the decision to override the treaty. Yet, from what I can see, there was very little complaint about it.